johnwilso007 0 Posted May 2, 2007 just pm a few people who have the comops version if you want the exclusive stuff that much and ask them to send you a rar fo the campaign pbo and the mission:P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speeeedy 0 Posted May 2, 2007 Have you not stopped to consider that it might be a *PUBLISHER* issue, not a BIS one? It has been mentioned a few times, but very few people seem to want to stop and consider that before launching into attacking BIS. Are you really believe in that ? A publisher decides what developer should or shouldn't include in his copyrighted product ? Infact thats exactly the case, when signing a contract, a publisher can demand that certain rights are in the contract regarding the distribution of exclusive content and also when certain content can be made available global. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nameloss 0 Posted May 2, 2007 And now when this starting to  look like more or less finished product, they start to cut us from the final product in it's probably best features ! Yeah, a few cutscenes and 1 random mission with an airplane are absolutely the best features of the whole game! Get over it, in a few weeks you can download them yourself. Well, while I can't personally ensure in absolute worthless of those content, there is nothing logicaly can prevent me from thinking that way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr reality 0 Posted May 2, 2007 He is the guy who tests the new beta patches online i guess, he had 1.05 early too. Its not a joke Shadow is a beta tester i guess. ARF.. i tought we all were beta testers! grrrrr edit: Â I'll just add my 2 cents on this point. If someone is already beta testing version 1.07, what did Maruk mean when he said the next patch will be available as a public beta. Surely if its already being tested it should be released as an official not a beta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frederf 0 Posted May 2, 2007 Yeah, they do. A publisher tells them what to have for breakfast and what brand of toothpaste to use after. The slightly unique content of the US version could very well be the results of a compromise between developer and publisher. Because let's be honest, BIS has far more interest in how well ArmA does than any publisher. The publisher cares only about the next 5 months worth of earnings from the product, BIS is going to have to live on their reputation for the next 20 years. Publisher: "To ensure adequate sales of the US release we want that the A-10 be exclusive to that release." Developer: "That's going to make a lot of people quite angry and damage reputations. Sure it'll encourage US sales for the unique content but it'll make us witches. How about we just have a slightly unique campaign with cutscenes and say an extra mission?" Publisher: "Oh? Sure I guess. Now if you'll excuse me I have a Ferrari to fill with Jell-O and lay in." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nameloss 0 Posted May 2, 2007 just pm a few people who have the comops version if you want the exclusive stuff that much and ask them to send you a rar fo the campaign pbo and the mission:P I really hope for this, since we'll have available to download patch 1.07. It's seems this content won't work mostly with 1.05 version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheElite 0 Posted May 2, 2007 Quote[/b] ]If someone is already beta testing version 1.07, what did Maruk mean when he said the next patch will be available as a public beta. Surely if its already being tested it should be released as an official not a beta. i will translate that for you, Some people are now playing with 1.07 however they are small and limited in number so the real beta needs to be done by the masses. makes sense really , justlike 1.05beta i think it is a win win situation. we get a semi stable beta to beta test and bis get there feedback. its all one big community. not an official view just my take on things Oh and my 2cents on it being the publisher that dictates the release will have new content and exclusive . Bullshit, thats how Bis sell it to the publishers as an exclusibe u.s release distro. aka original and not sold on that format anywhere else. nothing wrong its pure buisness. on the other hand when i got mine we had this same conversation about why the fook starforce was in the cz version. its the publisher its the publisher its the publisher Bullshit there wasnt even a fookin publishers name on the cover , turned out alledgedly the publishher was the biggest shareholder in Bohemia interactive , some guy whos isnt a spanel. anyway nothing lost except a hard drive "alls fair in love and war" btw i bought it from bontomland case anyones wondering over the validity of the product. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nameloss 0 Posted May 2, 2007 If someone is already beta testing version 1.07, what did Maruk mean when he said the next patch will be available as a public beta. Surely if its already being tested it should be released as an official not a beta. May be he just mean - Oh it's may 1st. Great! New betatesters available It's also not official, but my personall view of the matter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max power 21 Posted May 2, 2007 On the one hand they have a community that wants every new change in the program to be instantly streamed to their hard-drive, and even set up a bug tracker system so that we can contribute to ArmA's development; and on the other we have a community that is incensed with the idea of public betas. The public betas aren't speeding up or slowing down the development of the official patches. They may be contributing to their stabililty, though. I get the feeling that those who are complaining about the public betas drop their whine-bombs on the forum, then download the beta-patches in triplicate. They are throwing us a bone, here, with the beta patches. They are prereleasing patches before they can guarantee they are stable so we have something to tide us over until they are. If you don't like the idea of being used as a source of beta testing, don't look for/report any bugs. If you don't like the beta patches, don't download them. They aren't in lieu of official patches, though, so you may be waiting a lot longer between patches than the rest of us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nameloss 0 Posted May 2, 2007 If you don't like the idea of being used as a source of beta testing, don't look for/report any bugs. Â If you don't like the beta patches, don't download them. Â They aren't in lieu of official patches, though, so you may be waiting a lot longer between patches than the rest of us. If you don't like the beta builds of the game, don't buy them. Right ? That's just logical continuation of yuor idea... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeMeSiS 11 Posted May 2, 2007 If you don't like the idea of being used as a source of beta testing, don't look for/report any bugs. Â If you don't like the beta patches, don't download them. Â They aren't in lieu of official patches, though, so you may be waiting a lot longer between patches than the rest of us. If you don't like the beta builds of the game, don't buy them. Right ? That's just logical continuation of yuor idea... Yeah, just 5 minutes of research on this forum when 1.00 was released would have revealed the state the game was in, why did you people buy it in the first place? So you could complain about it? BI are doing all they can, how many developers have a bug tracker that is open for the community? Shut up and report the things you want fixed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max power 21 Posted May 2, 2007 If you don't like the idea of being used as a source of beta testing, don't look for/report any bugs. If you don't like the beta patches, don't download them. They aren't in lieu of official patches, though, so you may be waiting a lot longer between patches than the rest of us. If you don't like the beta builds of the game, don't buy them. Right ? That's just logical continuation of yuor idea... No, that is not a logical continuation of my idea at all, actually. Nice strawman, though. The best strawmen are super obvious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dallas 9 Posted May 2, 2007 I mostly played OFP in the editor and through the campaign, because of my connection back then, so my forum knowledge of the early years is pretty limited. Did anyone complain about the beta releases back in OFP? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeMeSiS 11 Posted May 2, 2007 Did anyone complain about the beta releases back in OFP? No, back then people were happy about patches.. ( ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nameloss 0 Posted May 2, 2007 how many developers have a bug tracker that is open for the community? Shut up and report the things you want fixed. How many games have so much bugs and so weak inner betatesting, that developers have to make an open bug tracker ? Ah. Ok let me see... Ah I want to be fixed that's strange content division btw euro and us versions, of course besides after the engine will be finally get to strait condition Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeMeSiS 11 Posted May 2, 2007 how many developers have a bug tracker that is open for the community? Shut up and report the things you want fixed. How many games have so much bugs and so weak inner betatesting, that developers have to make an open bug tracker? Too many these days, still, BI had to release the game too early because their publisher was whipping them, not much can be done about that. Be happy that they are fixing things, not much developers do that (see games like Boiling Point, which just got dropped after a quick patch). At least BI tries to fix their game, and you can help them to speed things up. Quote[/b] ]Ah I want to be fixed that's strange content division btw euro and us versions Will happen, just wait a few weeks, like we all said at least 100 times before Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nameloss 0 Posted May 2, 2007 Did anyone complain about the beta releases back in OFP? Nope. Those days patches were common, content was common and patches really patched bugs instead of creating new ones. And eve OFP 1.0 ver. was far more playbale and complete in production then ARMA even in 1.05 incarnation. And I wont say nothing about difference btw quality of SP Campaigns in OFP and ARMA... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeMeSiS 11 Posted May 2, 2007 Did anyone complain about the beta releases back in OFP? Nope. Those days patches were common, content was common and patches really patched bugs instead of creating new ones. And eve OFP 1.0 ver. was far more playbale and complete in production then ARMA even in 1.05 incarnation. And I wont say nothing about difference btw quality of SP Campaigns in OFP and ARMA... Why dont you post in one of the whine treads so i can ignore you properly, this topic is for something else.. Seriously, i cannot imagine how many times ive read that stuff already, i dont even care about it anymore, just read one if the whine ropics if you want to have this discussion again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max power 21 Posted May 2, 2007 how many developers have a bug tracker that is open for the community? Shut up and report the things you want fixed. How many games have so much bugs and so weak inner betatesting, that developers have to make an open bug tracker ? Firstly, BIS didn't make the community bug tracker, the community did. Second of all, I don't think BIS need it. This is an 'afterwards and therefore because of' post hoc fallacy. Thirdly, I don't think their internal beta testing is faulty. BIS already said it was a shame that the game had to be released so early. Given this, the community wished to have some involvement in the development process. BIS agreed to use the bug list after a fashion, and now they use the tracker that Boeko initiated as one source of advisement to their own bug tracker. For someone who doesn't know very much about this, you sure say a lot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nameloss 0 Posted May 2, 2007 BI had to release the game too early because their publisher was whipping them, not much can be done about that. It's not quite so, at least in my country publisher refused to give the game a green light in version 1.0 that BIS send to him. And they delayed release until 1.01 hotfix was released... There was so much sreaming on their forum on this point... now I can see how they were right... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bootleg soldier 2 Posted May 2, 2007 Quote[/b] ]For someone who doesn't know very much about this, you sure say a lot! Plaintiff i could not agree more some of these people believe these forums are made for them alone and anything negative that needs to be said is instantly knocked down and threads closed if the content of them is not to their likeing, have now trawled through many closed threads and whenever the argument looks to be swaying in favour of those who think about what they write and not just blindly worship BIS or their methods surprise surprise what happens, this threads closure is not far away Quote[/b] ]Shut up and report the things you want fixed. Says it all really lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheElite 0 Posted May 2, 2007 Quote[/b] ]For someone who doesn't know very much about this, you sure say a lot! Plaintiff i could not agree more some of these people believe these forums are made for them alone and anything negative that needs to be said is instantly knocked down and threads closed if the content of them is not to their likeing, have now trawled through many closed threads and whenever the argument looks to be swaying in favour of those who think about what they write and not just blindly worship BIS or their methods surprise surprise what happens, this threads closure is not far away agreed and if you click on the replies all the names of who posted come up and its the same 6 fanboys right up there everytime.:) for example click back 1. look where it says replies 122 or more now. click it ,then go to all the other whine threads and looky. and in everyone they try to make strawmen. grrrr ;0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nameloss 0 Posted May 2, 2007 Seriously, i cannot imagine how many times ive read that stuff already, i dont even care about it anymore, just read one if the whine ropics if you want to have this discussion again. Ok. Agreed it's time to cut it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max power 21 Posted May 2, 2007 Quote[/b] ]For someone who doesn't know very much about this, you sure say a lot! Plaintiff i could not agree more some of these people believe these forums are made for them alone and anything negative that needs to be said is instantly knocked down and threads closed if the content of them is not to their likeing, have now trawled through many closed threads and whenever the argument looks to be swaying in favour of those who think about what they write and not just blindly worship BIS or their methods surprise surprise what happens, this threads closure is not far away I'm not quite sure what you're saying, but my sarcasm detector is going off! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
