Australian Refugee problem

[el Gringo Loco 1]

What really makes me sick is the way Australians think they have to handle the refugee problem in their country.

I don't know if you saw the pictures on the news about the prisons where the australian put war refugees but it is in one word AWFUL!

If you ask me, Howard is one big Nazi! Don't these people realise that the refugees are also human beings. It all started with a ship full of refugees a couple of months back which were dumped on some small island because australia refused the refugees entry in their "very small" country with almost no place for people to live. Refugees who made it to Australia are put in prison camps in the middle of the desert surrounded by 15 feet barbed wire fencing in the scorcing australian heat.

"Concentration camps, the Aussie way" Sickening to watch.

Today I saw pictures of children vowing to commit suicide if the situation won't become any better. Refugees are jumping inside the barbed wire concertinas as a last resort to get to the hospital were the situation is considered more bearable for the refugees.

We are all talking about the americans treating the al-qeada members in a bad way. But let me tell you, those criminals have a pretty luxury confinement compared to war refugees in australia. Remember these people fled their countries because there is a war going on, these aren't economical refugees.

Most of the economical refugees end up in europe.

One Last word.

Seemingly the australian people are content with the situation because Howard is doing pretty fine in the polls. They seemingly don't care that the refugees are also human beings and should be entitled to the same human rights as they are.

Did the australians forget what their forefathers were?

right, <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>PRISONERS!!</span>

the camp outer perimeter

The reaction from the warmhearted aussie community

[Guest]

You cannot let everyone in, if u let most of these people in to your country they would dissapear as they have done in the UK, personally i dont really like refugees alot of the time they just live of benefits and this comes from a person that live in the same area as they did. The way the australians are dealing with it is acceptable in my eyes and they aint Concentration camps it's better than putting them in council houses and paying them 300 pounds a week because they have 6 or 7 children.

[madmike 0]

What I fell about refugees is that if they have nothing to offer your country why should you let them live there and pay for them

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (madmike @ Jan. 28 2002,22:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What I fell about refugees is that if they have nothing to offer your country why should you let them live there and pay for them<span id='postcolor'>

Exactly.

[Frizbee 0]

Being an Australian, I can tell you that the Refugee problem as it is now, didn't start with a boatload of people a few months back. It started in the early nineties, and has continued since then getting steadily worse, with more idiotic and violent illegal immigrants targetting Australia as the place that they would like to break the law to get into.

At Woomera, (The Detention Centre) they live in old miners huts. (Which Australian workers used to live in before the mines at Woomera were closed) They are fed, three times a day (which is more than they supposedly got before they came).

They have air conditioning to protect them from the heat (Not even our schools have air conditioning, which is down right disgusting, giving these law breakers such conditions)

And they are given medical and detal care while they wait for their refugee status to be processed.

How do they repay us? by rioting, setting fires and attacking Australian workers at the centre. By trying to escape, sewing their lips together in protest at being arrested for illegally entering our country, and attempting suicide.

Are these really the sorts of people YOU say we should let into OUR country???

They aren't even true refugees, as TRUE refugees would not be able to pay people smugglers hundreds of thousands of dollars to smuggle them into Australia. True refugees would be applying for legal entry into the country and political asylum.

To hell with all you do-gooders who say "oh but you should let them roam free because they came across in little boats at the risk to their lives" I say GOOD RIDDANCE!.

I for one, and everyone with a brain (ie. everyone except the do-gooder's) thinks the same, do not want someone who riots and acts like a criminal wandering the streets of my country as a citizen.

Also, if they were truly fleeing political persecution or a war zone.. do you not think that they would be happy to remain a few months (6 or so) behind a chain link fence in good conditions, until we make sure they don't have any diseases or criminal links, so that they can become citizens and free people??

I know If i was fleeing political persocution I would be quite happy to put up with one little fence for half a year if It meant i was SAFE.

But no... to hell with us they say... to hell with this fence. We want to come over illegally, breaking several laws, and we want to be accepted NOW... we want jobs NOW... we want a Visa.... NOW... and we want the rest of our family over... NOW.

You say John Howard is a nazi for his treatment of the illegal immigrants??? No... he's taken a soft approach on them by not sinking their ships and sending them back to the countries they came from, billing that country for the fuel spent flying them back.

He's taken the soft approach by not machine gunning them in the water when several boats have tried ramming Australian Warships to sink them or to prevent pursuit.

And he's taken the soft approach by not sentencing them to life imprisonment for their crimes, and for the attempted rape that one of them tried on Christmas Island.

If you like them so damn much. YOU open YOUR doors and accept them into YOUR home.

There... I feel better now.

[Frizbee 0]

Oh and sorry about the ultra-long post

[Placebo 29]

L24A you write these "articles" yourself or just copy and paste them from somewhere?

It seems you have this habit of popping up from nowhere posting these long rants that are blinkered, biased, one sided and not presenting full facts, is there any particular reason for this? You like to start a heated debate? Or you just work your way around the nations finding the worst aspect of it you can and posting it on the Opf forums?

[madmike 0]

I dont read the long posts becuase I find them hard to read and mostly boring

[Frizbee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (madmike @ Jan. 28 2002,23:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I dont read the long posts becuase I find them hard to read and mostly boring <span id='postcolor'>

Well, thats why I made mine in nice easy-to-read sentences so that it could be followed easily.. and the boring sentences skipped.

[Thehamster 0]

Frankly I don't think this sort of topic is enlightening any one in these forums. People who don't read the papers are hardly going to bother reading this topic at all. All it really seems to be doing is flaming Australia over such a small matter that it really does not affect the world in great way.

[madmike 0]

most countries have problems like this for the US its Mexicans, for Britian its Kosovo/Bosnia/Albania/Romania/+ loads more but it doesnt seem that the government are doing anything, they let them in and if they get in illegaly the people at the top seem to feel sorry for them

Give them a house, lots of money, clothing, education, lots of other stuff for free, etc

[Wobble 1]

Frankly I don't think this sort of topic is enlightening any one in these forums.

Me either.. not this anti-aussi gove one, and not the 2 dozen anti-US gove that pop up every other fucking day.. based largley on biased narrow minded propagandaist bullshit... if this one gets deleted for having such a moronic content so should teh other anti-US threads that are raging right now...

sad to admit.. its nice to see some other country besides the US being picked on by the resident do-no-wrong idiots.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

Is it just me? or does it seem like all these "do-gooders" fall to the left side of politics? I'm sick of all these damn bleeding hearts.

I would have to agree with Wobble and Placebo here, I am growing a bit tired of the anti-U.S. posts and the posts that are put here just to start some kind of stupid argument.

*sigh...*

Tyler

[Pete 1]

Is it just me? or does it seem like all these "do-gooders" fall to the left side of politics? I'm sick of all these damn bleeding hearts.

im sure you are, untill the day a war rages in your nation and you seek refuge in a other nation..

i quess many confuse symphaty with weakness...and ignorance with strenght.

I would have to agree with Wobble and Placebo here, I am growing a bit tired of the anti-U.S. posts and the posts that are put here just to start some kind of stupid argument.

i agree on the anti-us thing...but arguments, thats partly what a forum is for...west tank vs east tank for example.

[second_draw 0]

here's my two cents

ppl (especially these "do-gooders" mentioned previously) should realise that whinging & whining about political issues, will not make a difference to us. (speaking on general gaming forum public's behalf) We have more than enough biased opinions from our own local media outlet.

speaking as an australian i would say that i would allow these refugees into the country just by checking their criminal records or whatever of these refugees... and as potential australian citizens, i would punish them just like any other australian. Burning down goverment property (the dwellings the refugees are living in) is an offense by australian law and always has been a law, so in such i would punish the law breakers. Having a criminal record is not one of the desirable properties in a potential australian citizen (weather the law was broken in aus or elsewhere) so would probably be not allowed a visa. simple really. of course simple pathetic laws in other countries could be ignored.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

i agree on the anti-us thing...but arguments, thats partly what a forum is for...west tank vs east tank for example.

Yes Pete, but that one (tank argument) didn't start off by calling the leaders of other nations "Nazis".

im sure you are, untill the day a war rages in your nation and you seek refuge in a other nation..

i quess many confuse symphaty with weakness...and ignorance with strenght.

Can't say I do.

L24A's post didn't seem to touch on any real facts. He just looked at one side of the story and bitched and moaned about it. Something like: "oh no!, those poor poor people, thats horrible, Howard is a Nazi"

I grow tired of shit like that very fast. Australia has had immigration problems for years, this is how they deal with it. Unfortunately Australia or anyone else can't let in every single person who wants a good life, there is only room for so many.

I doubt there will ever be a war on Canadian soil, if there was, I would be fighting in it, not fleeing.

Tyler

P.S., hey Second_Draw, its nice to see you back! I thought we lost you in the forum shuffle.

[second_draw 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (L24A @ Jan. 28 2002,19:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Did the australians forget what their forefathers were?

right, <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>PRISONERS!!</span><span id='postcolor'>

I just glanced over this quote. I too also know of history of other countries. Lets say i know a bit about american history.

I know over 100 years ago, the entire (well nearly) black (not being racist) population was enslaved..... does mean that all the blacl populations great whatevers were slaves & somehow that current black americans are still connected with being slaves. Not a very good egsample but at least i tried

Here is another stab at what i'm trying to get across.... Yes, australian was "started" by making it a prison type thingy but iif a country was started by building whorehouses (not bad)... does that mean current generation of this country are still connected with these whorehouses

& one more whack..... is it even relavant that allegedly our "forefathers are prisoners"?

[second_draw 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Jan. 29 2002,06:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">P.S., hey Second_Draw, its nice to see you back! I thought we lost you in the forum shuffle.  <span id='postcolor'>

I'm coming back in phases.... new year, new harder work.... getting more off the topic i prefered the old forum (the last one). I'm not sure if i will comeback to this forum for good,if you know what i mean.. does that help?

p.s. nice to know ppl miss me

[Longinius 1]

Well, nazi or not the situation is handled in a bad way. I am not thinking about the solution with the camps, I am not informed enough to comment on it. It seems like a good idea, as long as they are treated fairly.

What I AM talking about is stuff like the incident with that boatload of refugees that was refused to dock. The boat that was kept at sea while people on it were dieing. THAT is fucked up. Like someone said, the refugees are people to. I think there is a lot of closet racism going on all over the world because if they had been "white" the situation would have been resolved much faster.

As for the refugees not being real refugees, that's a load of bull. Some, even most, might have been rich by their nations standard. Does that make them less of a refugee? You telling me that just because you have the means to escape a shitty situation you can't? I don't buy that. I hope you don't either.

[Wobble 1]

This reminds me of all the bleeding heart idiots who said the US was being cruel and unusual when it would send the coast guard out, get them to pick up the rafting Cubans trying to get here.. then take them back to Cuba.. no charges pressed, no abuse.. just a hot meal and a ride back to from whence they came..

I remember some idiot posting footage of a coast guard blowing the hell out of some EMPTY raft with its deck gun.. saying the US was murdering Cuban refugees.. when in fact its commin practice the the coast guard to destroy large floating objects (such as makeshift rafts) so that they do not pose a hazard to other boats..

some people are just fucking dumb.

[el Gringo Loco 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">L24A you write these "articles" yourself or just copy and paste them from somewhere?

It seems you have this habit of popping up from nowhere posting these long rants that are blinkered, biased, one sided and not presenting full facts, is there any particular reason for this? You like to start a heated debate? Or you just work your way around the nations finding the worst aspect of it you can and posting it on the Opf forums?<span id='postcolor'>

No, instead of some of the moderators 'round here I've just some brain cells left which are working fine. I'd like to see how other people think about certain objects.

I don't copy and paste without saying I did so. My nationality is dutch which reflects in the way I write english. You out of all ones should notice as you are from great britain that my english grammar isn't perfect.

Give me one reason why I shouldn't post my personal views in this forum? Maybe you didn't notice but every post is biased, you should have a better look! I'm just a bit more critical and sceptical than most people around here, is that a crime?

If you'd like me to stop posting just say so and I stop.

There's only one thing you can't blame me on, I don't write spam, I don't flame and I let the forum members in their dignity.

I already understood that you yourself are more interested in the 100th "how old are you thread" or the 1000th "where are you from thread". Well that's you personal choice. Personally I think you're the most biased moderator around here, closing one spam thread, while happily replying in an other one. So I don't see why you should doubt my way of posting.

Next time I will adhere to your views and post a "what assault rifle do you like the best thread" while 90% of the forum members never held a assault rifle in their own hands, loose from the fact that 99% on this forum never had fired one!

But like I already said. If I don't match your profile as a example forum member, just say so and I''m gone.

Meanwhile get off my back and get your moderating act together!  

PS.

Yes I do pop out of nowhere.

How come?

Unlike the 3000+ posts members I do have a social life and I do hold a nice job. So I can't be bothered by spending all my evenings behind a computer monitor replying to all the interesting threads on this forum. But hey I didn't know that this forum is only accessible for people without social lives which can spend a minimum of 3 hours per evening replying to some of the lamest threads ever on this forum.

[loopy 0]

Yes I feel sorry for real refugees but most of these so called refugees have had to pay $15-20,000 aus to get to australia if they are refugees how come they can find that sort of money if they just let them in they will just go walkabout like they do in the uk. When they were taken to asia then demanding to be taken to australia if where ever they came from was so bad then hey you would be grateful to be taken anywhere wouldn`t you.Some are just trying to take the short cut.Well there is my 2 cents.I know how hard it is to get in through the proper migration visas it took me a Year and a half to obtain a business migration Visa. but hey it was worth it in the end

[Guest]

I think that west shouldn't have taken immigrants, at least not from islamic countries because an islamic minority makes islamic terrorism possible. WTC-attack wouldn't have happened if we wouldn't have let arabs come to western countries.

And I think that we should banish all illegal immigrants from west and after that execute all illegal immigrants who try to come western countries or sink their boats (by shooting them). That should make people in poor countries less willing to come to west.

[Placebo 29]

Umm sure, whatever, bye bye now Someone

[MrLaggy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (L24A @ Jan. 28 2002,19:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Seemingly the australian people are content with the situation because Howard is doing pretty fine in the polls. They seemingly don't care that the refugees are also human beings and should be entitled to the same human rights as they are.<span id='postcolor'>

It's easy for bleeding-hearts to pretend that everyone deserves their "human rights" when they're in a country far away. It's much harder when they're on your doorstep, and expecting you to pay their bills... which is why "rightsism" is on its way out.

You can either have a welfare state or free immigration, you can't have both: and the Australians have obviously chosen the welfare state. No country will survive long if it allows skivers to move in and live off the back of hard-working tax-payers, and with welfare states on their last legs as it is, the last thing they need is yet more people to pay for. If you disagree, why not sponsor one of those illegal immigrants so they can move to your country, where you'll pay the bills?

Personally I'd eliminate the welfare state and have a five-minute residency visa application for productive foreign workers with no record of serious crimes... but in this world as it stands we have precisely the opposite: it's relatively easy for skivers and unskilled workers to sneak into a country, yet it takes a year or more for productive, skilled workers who'll be a benefit to the economy to get their visas through official channels.