Silencer 0 Posted January 25, 2002 its pretty dumm war, especially all the american civilans calling us "commies" and other remarks.I still get remarks like those in american school.You know how you guys were... both sides were scared, waiting for each other to press the atomic bomb button.I lived in the soviet union that time.Its not that bad most of everyone lived in apartments we have food a television with cable .You could go and buy stuff..the schools are great... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FetishFool 0 Posted January 25, 2002 No one is anti-Communism anymore. Not since 1992. But the US was scared of Communism because they were threatened. Communism is the best way to take a country out of depression. But people take Communism way too far. "Equality" of a country is NOT what communism is!!! That's only what it became. Communism is about the army, and government ruling everything. Which is good in most ways. But if they screw up, then it's really bad. Democracy screws up all the time. But since everyone controls everything, there are a lot more people to make things go right again. Communism is a very solid form of government. But when something goes wrong, it's hard to make things go right again. Communism is where "Two wrongs don't make a right" come in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PFC_Mike 2 Posted January 25, 2002 Communism is the opposite of the american ideals of self-relaince and personal independence. Communism is also the anti-free market. Pure communism does NOT work. Look at China, Russia, any other country that tries pure communism. Didn't work. Ideological differences lead to political purges, and before you know it, everyones starving, in the gulag, or dead. But after the truly insane leaders die off, and reforms are implemented, QOL improves. Take the PRC, CCCP after the deaths of Mao and Stalin. But as systems go, communism and socialism suck ass. Yeah, so you had an apartement and TV. I can get that in the US just working at In-N-Out (truly America's best fast food. Only in CA and NV though) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PanzerGrenadier 0 Posted January 25, 2002 Two sides buddy..... Anti US and Anti communism... The only people that would be stupid enuff to use nuclear weapons are Terrorists, thats why all Nations must unite to WIPE out Terrosim as these are teh villians without a state and which could inflict such a disasterous weapon without the threat of Atomic weapons being used against them as they have no state. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wobble 1 Posted January 25, 2002 The only people that would be stupid enuff to use nuclear weapons are Terrorists guess what former superpower for 4 years sold both nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons technology like it was flour.... and to this day admits it doesent know where many nuclear warheads are and where several thousand tons of the materials to make them went (U235..etc) when USSR went broke it sold anything to anyone, no questions asked.. as long as the price was right.. now the whole world is trying to cope with the potental consequences... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FetishFool 0 Posted January 25, 2002 Russia has nothing to lose anymore. They've lost everything. -Their women look like men. -Their men are as skinny as women. -Their taxi drivers get paid more than scientists. -Large chunks of Russia have been blown up by their own power plants. -The people can't even afford a Trabant. -Their proud AK is a symbol of horror. -Most of their country is frozen. And the parts that aren't have an endless spring season. -The rich get poor, and the poor get poorer. -India is becoming a better country than them. -Everytime they build something nice, it gets blown up. Like come on. If you owned Russia, what would YOU do?? You can't even have the women become your slaves, because you'll have to check their pants just to make sure they're women. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assault (CAN) 1 Posted January 25, 2002 Yeah, Communism sucks. If you like censorship and dictators thats fine by me. Just don't shove your agenda down my throat I hate commies and socialists, to an extent. However, IMO pure capitalism is just as bad as pure socialism, a slight mix can be better. Anyways, back to commie hating! Pure communism just does not work. It stalls the economy and development, why? Well no matter if you work hard or barely at all you still get the same pay check in the end. When everyone gets the same amount of money, it removes the incentive to work hard. There are no real rewards. Back when the USSR still existed they would use inefficient, out-of-date equipment which required alot of people to man. They did this because people needed jobs, there weren't any other jobs because of the lack of any kind of free market. If there weren't any jobs, they would put the people on some kind of pointless public works project to generate jobs to keep the people happy. They still do the same in China today. Though China has moved to a kind of free market in recent years. The Russians would even put factories or mines anywhere people needed work, with no consideration to supply+demand. The Soviet system was the epitome of innefficientcy. Look at them now. Communism simply does not work. Tyler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
^MORBID^ 0 Posted January 25, 2002 2 FetishFool Their women look like men? What are you from Mars or something? Russian women are amongst the most beautiful women there are out there. And percentage of the good looking women in Russia is one of the highest on earth. On the other hand most of the american women are fat and not good looking at the least from all the fast food crap and good life. BTW Israeli women are one of the best looking women too  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assault (CAN) 1 Posted January 25, 2002 Russian women are amongst the most beautiful women there are out there. I would have to agree, no argument there! Eastern European chicks in general tend to be hot. Maybe he's thinking of East German chicks? Tyler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christophercles 0 Posted January 25, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">-Large chunks of Russia have been blown up by their own power plants.<span id='postcolor'> No country has ever had a nuclear powerplant blow up. Theyve just had 1 meltdown, and that was chernobyl. i dont know how to really spell it so shuddup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
110 0 Posted January 25, 2002 The primary problem is that people look at this as the "US vs Russia" thing. the cold war was not a battle of nations, but a battle of ideals. i dont hate Russians at all and wish them the best of luck in the future. Capitalism works. sure some companies suck and bribe the govt. to hurt competition (i personally dont call this capitalism). at least under a free economy with competition in place i can choose where to take my buisness. its also a lot easier to sue a company, then to sue a government. Communism derprieves people the means to acheive any goals. any goals other then serving the state that is. Individual freedom is not recognized under marxism, because independance breeds chaos. under Communism everything is government managed. this is why it is so inefficent and why small communal groups can make it work. Freedom can not exist because the identity of the indivdual does not exist. this must happen in order to destroy private property which communism supports. you must conform or be "reeducated". though the Cold war is dead. Communism is not. Communism is more then just itself. Fabiansim and Socialism accomplish the same thing as Communism (govt control over individual directive). they all share the same trait: destruction of the individual and increased state power. these ideals exist very much here in the USSA. a lot of americans adopt the very ideas that will destroy this great and free nation without realizing it. both Republican and Democrats. Wealth redistribution is based on "hate" and jealousy. "those evel rich people" as they are categorized. many americans do this and support laws that take more tax from the productive to support their "lifestyle". this is nothing short of Socialism. If you read the Communist Manifesto you will see all kinds of references to the different types of Socialism. 110 shrugged Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PanzerGrenadier 0 Posted January 25, 2002 Wobble you have quoted me yet i dont know why ?. Why have u quoted that sentance. You have not said anything about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damage Inc 0 Posted January 25, 2002 placebo my flag is bigger than yours Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silencer 0 Posted January 25, 2002 communist is some ways a ingenius system... the problem is it always abused by people like stalin... stalin killed 200 million people to use them as slaves to build the army and the economy.The russia economy has sky rocketed and it became world power that time... as soo n as stlain died russia became mush better almost instantly. soo heres the question.... will communists will be good if they had good and better goverments which funds on the citizens more than the army? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrLaggy 0 Posted January 25, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No one is anti-Communism anymore.<span id='postcolor'> Speak for yourself. Voluntary communism is fine, and works for small groups. State communism is probably the most evil form of government ever created: depending on which estimates you believe, communists killed somewhere between 50,000,000 and 120,000,000 of their own people in the last century, and many of the survivors had their lives utterly destroyed by the oppressive bureaucracy. I don't know as much about the USSR, but Maoist China as a nation was, quite literally, totally insane, because all power was in the hands of the lunatic at the top. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Communism is the best way to take a country out of depression.<span id='postcolor'> That's obviously why the USSR and communist China were so rich and America and Europe so poor. In reality communism makes you poor, because few productive people will voluntarily live in a communist state where the products of their labors are stolen to give to the unproductive, and even if they're forced to stay they won't be productive for long... and that is why large-scale communism has always failed and will always fail. The whole concept of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs" is so utterly braindead it's hard to see how anyone could possibly be pro-communism... unless they expect to be the ones thieving from the productive members of society. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silencer 0 Posted January 25, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PanzerGrenadier @ Jan. 25 2002,04:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Two sides buddy..... Anti US and Anti communism... The only people that would be stupid enuff to use nuclear weapons are Terrorists, thats why all Nations must unite to WIPE out Terrosim as these are teh villians without a state and which could inflict such a disasterous weapon without the threat of Atomic weapons being used against them as they have no state.<span id='postcolor'> russia already knew about the taliban along time we fight with rebels in chenuya which could be the taliban.American that time literally helped them and tryed interfeering with the war. american never noticed the taliban the only thing they thought of doing was bomb russia. thats why probably russia dosen't want to help american with military support.I seen on the news that few russian trucks are aiding the cilivians in afganistan... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brentk 1 Posted January 25, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MrLaggy @ Jan. 25 2002,10:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No one is anti-Communism anymore.<span id='postcolor'> Speak for yourself. Voluntary communism is fine, and works for small groups. State communism is probably the most evil form of government ever created: depending on which estimates you believe, communists killed somewhere between 50,000,000 and 120,000,000 of their own people in the last century, and many of the survivors had their lives utterly destroyed by the oppressive bureaucracy. I don't know as much about the USSR, but Maoist China as a nation was, quite literally, totally insane, because all power was in the hands of the lunatic at the top. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Communism is the best way to take a country out of depression.<span id='postcolor'> That's obviously why the USSR and communist China were so rich and America and Europe so poor. In reality communism makes you poor, because few productive people will voluntarily live in a communist state where the products of their labors are stolen to give to the unproductive, and even if they're forced to stay they won't be productive for long... and that is why large-scale communism has always failed and will always fail. The whole concept of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs" is so utterly braindead it's hard to see how anyone could possibly be pro-communism... unless they expect to be the ones thieving from the productive members of society.<span id='postcolor'> nice reply Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InqWiper 0 Posted January 25, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">placebo my flag is bigger than yours -------------- Damage Inc- the 28th Maniac (on the old forum) My flag is the biggest :p <span id='postcolor'> Don´t you know ? Size doesn´t matter! :-P I think its a nice thought that no-one should have more or less then someone else, the problem is then people think "I don´t feel like working, I will get what everyone else gets anyway". Planned economy isnt so smart either, lets say you plan to produce a type of vehicle for 15 years, and after three years its already old, then you will be producing a type of car for 12 years that no-one wants to buy. I think the idea is pretty nice, its too bad it doesnt work. There should not be people as rich as Bill Gates and not people so poor they have to starve to death on the streets. Thats what I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silencer 0 Posted January 25, 2002 not everyone is going to the same in communism.... alot of people spend diffrently some people spend right after they get there pay check,others save. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted January 25, 2002 soviet union would have been a success if Vladamire Lenin hadnt died. When Lenin took over, the people than had a Idiology and half of the government lenin set up was in fact 50% capitolism. however when stalin took over he just sent that country downward to a spiral downward. stalin was a man NOT for the people but just for his own personal motives. he took the idology away. btw america wasnt the only country with a strong anti-communist way. a lot of eruope had a lot of anti communist in them as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silencer 0 Posted January 25, 2002 when lenin was governor he accually gave the power to the people so they could take over as mush land as they want. Result of that ,alot of people have farms in russia... stalin ruined the whole point lenin wanted... stalin is worst than hitler... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted January 25, 2002 yeeeeeeeeeeeeup! what lenin did was he took all the important things like resource mining and other things that could be clasified under important and put them under government control. as for small stuff that would be more like luxeries such as coffe houses, public baths, hotels, those remained under personal ownership. what lenin had in mind was once he could get the people to do whats best for the country, he would turn russia into a anarchy, the theroy of this was people would make personal sacrifice to better them and there country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silencer 0 Posted January 25, 2002 if USA turns communist I bet bill gates will have full control he will make microsoft killer robots!!!!! bill gates it rich enought to buy countrys Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted January 25, 2002 i heard from a CNN site that there has been talks of cloning Vladimir Lenin, weird eh? heres a link right here. its somewhere at the bottom of the article where they mention it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
