RKSL OFP to ArmA

[UNN 0]

Hi,

Can't speak for anyone else, but no. We don't have a hot line to BIS. It will be great if they do include VTOL for Arma's Harrier. It's always better when done directly by the game engine.

Quote[/b] ]Good luck with your projects

Cheers

[Guest RKSL-Rock]

Love the work you and UNN are doing at RKSL.

Thanks

I recently had a good look at the screen shots of the Harriers in ArmA. The nozzels seem to look like they could possibly move (pure speculation on my part).

Our nozzles do move, they are keymapped and you can change the direction of thrust at anytime.  There are a few vids out there showing the system working in game at the link below.

Harrier Cockpit & VTOL demos

I was just wondering if you had in anyway contacted BIS or been contacted by BIS regarding the harrier. Specifically about the VTOL/STOL problem that you are currently trying to address or have already addressed. I'm sure it would save you and UNN alot more work if BIS have already hardcoded the VTOL/STOL capability into ArmA. Just being inquisitive really, not sure if vetran Addon/MOD guru's such yourself and the cadre you belong to get access to priveleged info in return for your tounges i.e. your silence

I take it you’ve heard the rumour that BIS has ‘bought’ our VTOL system for ArmA (I only heard it myself this morning), as UNN has already said we’ve had no contact with BIS about the VTOL system. I can assure anyone else who’s listening to silly rumours that we haven’t sold anything to anyone and this will be making a public release.

We’re just as curious and as excited about the possibility of VTOL in ArmA as everyone else but I promise you, we don’t know any more about ArmA than you.  Im guessing that since they are including their own Harrier that VTOL will be supported in the game engine but that is only a strong hope on my part

[DKM Jaguar 0]

I take it you’ve heard the rumour that BIS has ‘bought’ our VTOL system for ArmA (I only heard it myself this morning), as UNN has already said we’ve had no contact with BIS about the VTOL system. I can assure anyone else who’s listening to silly rumours that we haven’t sold anything to anyone and this will be making a public release.

Probably just a rumour started by someone who wants to create some trouble for RKSL, along the lines of the "Omfg sellouts!11" stuff for VBS teams. Probably jealous of that fact you make everything yourself. I can't believe people would believe that.

What is it with RKSL and rumours?

Quote[/b] ]We’re just as curious and as excited about the possibility of VTOL in ArmA as everyone else but I promise you, we don’t know any more about ArmA than you. Im guessing that since they are including their own Harrier that VTOL will be supported in the game engine but that is only a strong hope on my part

It'd be a bit wierd if it didn't have VTOL, there are a lot of jets they could have chosen to do, but it seems to be the Harrier they chose. It looks like the VBS model with some changes, but even VBS has different jets they could have chose from.

[Guest RKSL-Rock]

Probably just a rumour started by someone who wants to create some trouble for RKSL, along the lines of the "Omfg sellouts!11" stuff for VBS teams. Probably jealous of that fact you make everything yourself. I can't believe people would believe that.

What is it with RKSL and rumours?

I think it’s the fact we haven’t released much in the last year and we are such a small team so not much leaks out.  Its amusing that some people seem to dream up stories where there are none to be had.  Its also interesting apart from the rumours of us selling out to BIS there are also various rumours of Elvis being seen at BIS HQ and Placebo ringing to work on a Flying pig I wonder how true they are?

It'd be a bit wierd if it didn't have VTOL, there are a lot of jets they could have chosen to do, but it seems to be the Harrier they chose. It looks like the VBS model with some changes, but even VBS has different jets they could have chose from.

Well there were hints of VTOL with the pics of a MV-22 and X-35 in the PC Gamer article a year back and don’t forget some of the new ArmA commands on the Biki, so I’m hopeful.

Although unless we can check the angle of a nozzle and measure and apply the thrust vector relative to the vehicle a true 3D VTOL system might still be out of our reach.

[Commando84 0]

hahah i have never heard any stories about your mod team, but it sounds like its fun. And Placebo riding on a what??

yeah i guess people need to imagine stuff when they don't know for sure whats the truth or when they are bored or something..

and whats a spam troll forum / whore?

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It's always interesting when you hear rumours... Some people just do it so that they can have something to talk about. Others I guess want to sound as if they know everything...the the rest probably believe that BIS is actualy the land of the Fairies where little kungfu fighting pixies write scripts and design models for the games...

I was basing my statements of possible VTOL/STOL capability on the fact that they included a Harrier, which as DKM Jaguar stated would be a bit silly to include without the said feature! Also a quick look at the screen shots seem to show the nozzels modeled as separate entities. Possibly implying that these will rotate like yours do (thanks for the link RockofSL, I'd already seen your teams handywork in action a while ago).

I have a feeling that the BIS Model of the harrier will not be as detailed as yours and is most likely based on the (if not the actual) model and scripts of the VBS Harrier (did that ever have VTOL capabilities?). I'm sure what ever is releaed with ARMA by BIS regarding the Harrier will only serve to lessen the scripts that your team have implemented reducing the amount of processing power needed ( well on my pc anyway! ). I'm guessing, that will mean more work for you trying to make the Harrier compatible!

Have you thought about implementing an ejection system like they have implemented within Operation Frenchpoint Aircraft. I'm talking more about the survivabilty when it comes to ejecting over water and the Raft that they have employed. Also, would you be able to enable the integrated battlefield systems you're working on to be able to pick up rescue beacons reployed by downed air crew through AWACs, etc? It would be interesting for CSAR type missions and add another level to gameplay.

Regarding the MV-22 and X35, were they not based within Game2 screenshots? If the feature is implemented then I'm sure it won't be long before a MV-22 is created and buzzing around Sahrani. I saw it at an airshow earlier this year and also when it flew over London, was impressive to see it fly with its silverish colour scheme. By the way: aren't you working on the X-35 as well?

ArmA will no doubt provide the Addon/MOD community with many new 'gadets' to include in their toys.

All the best guys

[UNN 0]

Quote[/b] ]I'm guessing, that will mean more work for you trying to make the Harrier compatible!

To be honest, It seams a bit pointless speculating over every minor detail, given Arma's imminent release. All we can do, is continue to purse the things we have a genuine interest in. The rest will happen one way or another

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Have you thought about implementing an ejection system like they have implemented within Operation Frenchpoint Aircraft. I'm talking more about the survivabilty when it comes to ejecting over water and the Raft that they have employed. Also, would you be able to enable the integrated battlefield systems you're working on to be able to pick up rescue beacons reployed by downed air crew through AWACs, etc? It would be interesting for CSAR type missions and add another level to gameplay.

Woaaah that would be very very cool. Could that be done by the ai. Scramble when a rescue beacon is going off. Fly to that location, and pick up the pilot in the water. And then fly back?

[Guest RKSL-Rock]

It's always interesting when you hear rumours...

Its just funny atm but I can promise that we aren’t doing anything for BIS/BIA or the CIA. The reason we’ve been quiet is that we are busy working at finishing of the Harrier and FCSS/

I was basing my statements of possible VTOL/STOL capability on the fact that they included a Harrier…

Well as UNN said it’s pointless to speculate right now but I agree with Jag it seems silly to have a harrier in game if you cant have VTOL… BUT im sure we’ll find out soon.

Have you thought about implementing an ejection system like they have implemented within Operation Frenchpoint Aircraft. I'm talking more about the survivabilty when it comes to ejecting over water and the Raft that they have employed.

I haven’t seen the Frenchpoint system myself but we did discuss something some time ago about lift vests… it may not make it in the first release but it is a feature we are seriously looking at.

Also, would you be able to enable the integrated battlefield systems you're working on to be able to pick up rescue beacons reployed by downed air crew through AWACs, etc? It would be interesting for CSAR type missions and add another level to gameplay.

Its one of the ideas I have listed, but until we actually get our hands on the ArmA engine its impractical to promise anything.

Regarding the MV-22 and X35, were they not based within Game2 screenshots?

Im not sure to be honest. But in the same article was an Su-34 and from what is out in the public eye for ArmA it seems unlikely that we will get a an Su-34 so maybe you are right.

If the feature is implemented then I'm sure it won't be long before a MV-22 is created and buzzing around Sahrani. I saw it at an airshow earlier this year and also when it flew over London, was impressive to see it fly with its silverish colour scheme.

I think there are two teams making one if the rumours are true…but in light of the rubbish ive heard today I don’t know.

By the way: aren't you working on the X-35 as well?

Yes we are, the JCA/F-35B

Could that be done by the ai. Scramble when a rescue beacon is going off. Fly to that location, and pick up the pilot in the water. And then fly back?

Its possible already with some scripts and a few mission waypoints…

[tankieboy 0]

That would be fun. I for one would be dumping my plane in the "drink" over and over just to see a yellow Sea King pick me up...

[sniperuk02 0]

You'd be angry if it was a grey and redish orange one that picked you up then?

[Guest RKSL-Rock]

You'd be angry if it was a grey and redish orange one that picked you up then?

Only if it crashed on the way back!

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Don't want to go off topic but...

Having seen the new entry on William Porters Blog I think this discussion is quite apt!!!   If only Steve had taken an emergency beacont the search would have been alot easier

...Back on topic(ish)...

I know you can get AI to do a C/SAR  in Operation Frenchpoint. All you have to do in the editor is insert a Jaguar and Helicopter (Puma) and make sure they are not grouped, then name the helicopter Ejectedgroup (or something like that, check out the readme) and when you eject, the Helicopter will come out and extract you from where ever you land be it sea (in the emergency raft) or land. It's very cool and I'm sure would be a great tool to have if you wanted to continue a mission; as the C/SAR helicopter could take you back to base and you could get in another aircraft and go back to the fight! (check the OFRP readme's for accurate info)

It is possible at the moment in its simplistic form, which could developed using your plans. Maybe a mail to the OFRP boys extending the hand of the Entente Cordiale might be worth a try at a later date???  

[UNN 0]

Quote[/b] ]I know you can get AI to do a C/SAR  in Operation Frenchpoint. All you have to do in the editor is insert a Jaguar and Helicopter (Puma) and make sure they are not grouped, then name the helicopter Ejectedgroup (or something like that, check out the readme)

I tend to go with a slightly different approach. I add custom event handlers, that let you lanuch scripts under certain circumstances. For example with the Rapiers. I have an OutOfAmmo event, you can use this to call a truck carrying extra ammo packs e.t.c

For the ejected pilot of a Harrier, you would just need to add something like this line of code:

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">This RKSL_HarrierAddEventHandler [RKSL_AIRCRAFTEJECT,"PilotEjected.sqs"]

It would automatical pass any usefull paramters to the user defined script "PilotEjected.sqs", like position and pilot e.t.c That way you can use whatever addon\method you want to recover the downed pilot.

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I'll go with what you're saying UNN. I think you know a lot more about scripts than I do (that is an understatement). I know nothing and was only going with the basics that were included in the readme, so I guess you will implement a better script, if you decide to. I was just 'being reative'

All I can do is admire your handiwork, like I said before good luck guy's. I look forward to the day your awesome set of addons get released. All the best  

[UNN 0]

Thanks for the suggestion, I will be sure to add it to the Harriers. You did touch on a subject close to my heart

I've always liked the idea of making a trained pilot, a valuable asset in missions.

[snoofkin911 0]

Say has the Fire Control Script System (FCSS) been released yet if not then whats the status

thanks, anyway love the general Idea

[Guest RKSL-Rock]

Say has the Fire Control Script System (FCSS)  been released yet if not then whats the status

thanks, anyway love the general Idea

The BETA/Proof of Concept FCSS will be released as part of the Rapier FSC SAM addon.  Depedning on time and our commitments other addons will be released too.

In answer to the inevitable questions of : When?!

I just need to finish some texture work and some model details and UNN has some MP code issues to sort.  More than to say we're close now i wont and cant say.

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

I have no idea how the VBS Harrier works or the ArmA one, but if they're better than the only VTOL Harrier that we've got for OFP right now (Colonel Klink's Falklands Mod Harrier), or anything close to RKSL's awesome Harrier, then I'd say it's the perfect choice for single aircraft to be featured in ArmA, since it covers all the motion that an aircraft could have... Well, at least with regards to atmospheric aircraft...

Knowing your previous work, I'm looking forward to the release of your Harrier!

[DKM Jaguar 0]

Bear in mind that the Falklands Harrier was made several years ago and at a time when VTOL was though impossible. I wouldn't dismiss it so fast. Rockape's work puts the "meat on the bones" of the idea.

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

Bear in mind that the Falklands Harrier was made several years ago and at a time when VTOL was though impossible. I wouldn't dismiss it so fast. Rockape's work puts the "meat on the bones" of the idea.

I wouldn't ever dream of dismissing it - just the fact that it came out when it did doing what it did - as you said, just about the impossible - makes it an unforgettable milestone in OFP aviation!