New Chechen Terrorists for Christmas

[AKM 0]

CT, we're looking at Chechnya here. You know how some people are rabidly anti-Croatian or anti-Serbian, for example? Take that, and multiply it by a factor of about... oh, a thousand. That's somewhat-moderate perception of Chechnya.

There's a lot of propaganda, but even the most absurd propaganda often has a tail somewheres in the truth. The Chechens weren't real hospitable to the ethnic Russians in their predominantly-Chechen areas, there's a lot of bad blood, a lot of bad history. And typically, you'll never get a complete picture from anyone.

For example, if you read Aukai Collins' book; "My Jihad," the Russians are insane pig-dogs, raping and killing their way across Chechnya.

If you read other books, reports, etc, the Chechens are the bad guys.

What muddies the waters further is that 'Jihad' has been declared in the Caucasus, so there are Mujahideen flooding in, or at least there were. And these Arabs, some of them are from Afghanistan and surrounding regions, as previously mentioned, out for Russian blood in retaliation for the events of the Eighties.

For example, Russian soldiers have been accused of killing off entire villages. At the same time, Chechen fighters and Arabic Mujahids have been found wearing complete Russian uniforms, ambushed by Russian Special Forces teams leaving the sites of atrocities apparently designed to discredit the Russians with the locals.

It also doesn't help that the Russian military is corrupt and essentially in a fall-down state, even in such active areas as Chechnya, or the "Southern Autonomous Zone" if I recall correctly. Equipment goes 'missing,' Hell, troops don't even get paid, sometimes they're not fed for weeks, months. There've been cases in which entire Russian infantry companies have deserted their bases to head into town and get some food. That's how bad it can get.

What you saw there from Nemesis6 was a pretty tame description of what Chechens or Russians will do to the other. I've heard the exact same thing before, applied to either side.

[miles teg 1]

I agree with AKM.  The whole war there was just brutal and horrific with quite horrible things done by both sides.  Thankfully at least things are quieting down there and hopefullly returning to normal.  Better not to sit here and cheer on or demonize one side or the other, as I'm sure, just as in any war, there were examples of honorable fighters as well as evil and horrific attrocities done by both sides (as in most wars). I think its much better instead to just make some great missions with these addons and all of the fantastic Russian addons available to us in OFP rather then argue politics on this thread.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[karantan 0]

I think its much better instead to just make some great missions with these addons and all of the fantastic Russian addons available to us in OFP rather then argue politics on this thread.

Now this is one sound guy!

EDIT: Btw, I'm looking for a Chechenia island, I've found one on ofp.info, but when I saw the advertising pic ... that town looks more like some New York's industrial suburb, than for instance (ruined) Grozny ...

[Oosh 0]

I did some testing with these units and found that the units were basically invincable when fired at around the hip area.

Also are there any plans to add blood textures and can the units be put on the east side since they are "terrorists"?

If the small bugs in this addon where fixed this would be a very top quality addon.

[Oosh 0]

Also on the briefing screen I would get the "ICP_Weaponpack" error even tho I had all necessary addons installed.

[CanadianTerror 0]

Quote[/b] ]CT, we're looking at Chechnya here

Oh I realize that totally...I just find that the "facts" tend to change depending on who's saying it and where they are from.

Propaganda comes from all sides.

I dont think for a second that theres no brutality in Chechnya...quite the opposite.

Quote[/b] ]And then there was the whole "Russians are slaves to the Chechens" thing. In short, they used Russians as slaves.

I just dont know what to make of statements like that is all.

[mattxr 9]

Really nice units, would be cool with DAC.

btw: Jesus... Its a game.. leave all the real world facts and crap which isint true out of this... before it gets locked...

[soul_assassin 1750]

I just find that the "facts" tend to change depending on who's saying it and where they are from.

Propaganda comes from all sides.

thats true but doesnt change the "fact" that all those terrorist acts including Beslan have happened.

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Quote[/b] ]And then there was the whole "Russians are slaves to the Chechens" thing. In short, they used Russians as slaves.

I just dont know what to make of statements like that is all.

it means when chechens took captives, weither it be russian soldiers, reporters or civilians, they were often turned into slaves, murdered, traded, and forcefully converted to islam.

Quote[/b] ]btw: Jesus... Its a game.. leave all the real world facts and crap which isint true out of this... before it gets locked...

indeed my first post was intended to bring some light on the situation, maybe like a backdrop for missionmakers

[miles teg 1]

Or a mission maker could take the Chechnyan perspective and depict Russian soldiers raping his wife and killing his brother and all the young men picked up from his village and never to be seen again. Maybe this is false...maybe not...all depends on who you ask and who you believe. Myself, I know enough about war to know that in almost all wars even the "good guys" commit horrific attrocities. History and the media of the victors of a conflict just triy to cover it up.

That is why I think its pointless to argue about these things. Any mission maker that is going to depict Chechnyans doing horrific things will do that on their own if they truly feel the need and hatred towards Chechnyans to do that. Likewise the same for OFP players who truly hate Russians.

Personally I hate neither, nor do I support the Chechnyan tactics as they are often truly barbaric and do nothing to gain them support except from Al-Qaeda and other Islamic extremists.

But I also know the way Russia treated foreign journalists there and how the area is under complete Russian military control. Journalists who tried to sneak in or made reports against the Russian millitary had a nasty habit of disappearing or being killed by Russian soldiers "accidentally" if they were caught amongst Chechnyan rebels. So its difficult to sort out truth from fiction.

Those are some of the reasons I think its best to leave out the politics and make whatever kind of mission you want to make rather then trying to convince mission makers of what they should be making their missions about. Personally even in "My Jihad" mission I'm not going to try and depict any attrocities by either side. Its just going to be a story and a mission about an American volunteer fighting there. If I have the time, I may make it more detailed showing some of the treachery amongst the foreign fighters and Chechnyans, but thats about it. No throat slitting, no beheading, no raping, not even a suicide bombing.

Just a good OFP mission.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[AKM 0]

Miles, you say this about journalists and yet I have many books written by journalists who've operated independantly of the Russian military in 'the Zone.'

What you say is true though, regarding mission-making, motivation, even bothering to debate this point. I do know I'd support the Russians over the Chechens myself; your cause loses all legitimacy once you cut the head off a PoW with a kitchen knife and record it on film.

I look forward to your "My Jihad" mission. There is definately enough in that book for a fair-sized SP mission.