Mi-8/17 Pack - Beta 2

[Supah 0]

See you in three days. Read some tutorials and you could use those to make your own textures, it's not that hard if you put some time into it. If you want to be left alone maybe you should leave other people's work alone if you don't have prior permission to use it.

[Vit-Vit Labs 0]

See you in three days. Read some tutorials and you could use those to make your own textures, it's not that hard if you put some time into it. If you want to be left alone maybe you should leave other people's work alone if you don't have prior permission to use it.

what i take from you?

[Supah 0]

You took a lot of textures models etc. from other people without their permission. Standing up for each other, even when you yourself arent directly at risk, is called solidarity and there still happens to be some in the addon making community.

[Vit-Vit Labs 0]

You took a lot of textures models etc. from other people without their permission. Standing up for each other, even when you yourself arent directly at risk, is called solidarity and there still happens to be some in the addon making community.

I ask again....

WHAT I TAKE FROM YOU???

ANSWER ME..

[Supah 0]

A lot of motivation for modmaking and the chance to use addon's by addonmakers people like you and your fanbois drive away from this community.

[Big Dawg KS 6]

A lot of motivation for modmaking and the chance to use addon's by addonmakers people like you and your fanbois drive away from this community.

What are you talking about? Listen, you don't know what you are talking about, vit releasing such addons is not demotivating, vit is simply using the best things that this community have made and is putting them all into one nice package, without any concern about popularity. If everyone could just share everything, then every single addon relesed would be top notch. If you guys care that much if someone else is using something you created, then you are creating them for all the wrong reasons. You should be making them for the community, and therefore if Vit wants to use it he can, because he is part of the community and he makes his addons for the community. So here is some advice to you, if you don't want other people using your stuff, then don't release them, its as simple as that.

[Ironsight 1]

If you guys care that much if someone else is using something you created, then you are creating them for all the wrong reasons. You should be making them for the community, and therefore if Vit wants to use it he can, because he is part of the community and he makes his addons for the community. So here is some advice to you, if you don't want other people using your stuff, then don't release them, its as simple as that.

I make addons for myself in the first place and I can garantee you that 80% of the addon makers agrees with me on that. I make something because I would love to make one or see it ingame, most of the stuff I make doesn't even see the daylight, because I think there's no demand for those.

[belgerot 33]

You make a very good point Kyle, thought I still feel it shouldn't be so easy for someone to include even the smallest model/texture without bothering to ask for it.

It always causes a stir when something is recognized not to be original and proper credit isn't given, especially over the last year. It would save a lot of time and arguements on here if people would only ask for permission, or give proper credit unlike as AirwolfPL stated, included only the addon (pbo?) name. That's just my point on this whole situation. I know I haven't really made anything for the game yet so some might argue I don't even deserve a say, but this arguement never seems to die down.

I like this addon personally, besides the problems already mentioned I still think this is the best Standalone Mi-8/17 currently available.

[Supah 0]

It is not up to you to decide what is the right or the wrong reason to make addon's. If people ask that their work isnt modified and rereleased without their prior consent you respect that. Vit's behaviour IS demotivating to me and to a lot of other addon makers. Just because you arent demotivated by it doesn't mean noone is. Amazing how you apparently know what I feel better then I do as I dont know what I am talking about.

[Raptor 10]

what has it to do with Mi-8/17 Pack - Beta 2?

Raptor

[offtime 0]

the fact that Vit is "ripping" others ppl work isnt the issue

main issue is that he cant propertly credit ppl for theyr work

in his mi17 pack, about wich this topic is

i found readme where using OFPL mi-8 parts was mentioned

but

not in Credits, not even in Thanks to part of readme

besides that

OFPL stuff has open source license, wich clearly says that if you use OFPL Team work, your addon must also be released with open source license. This is condition for using our work.

And you all will admit that its for good of OFP community.

Vit ignored statements in our readme and didnt try to contact us to gain permission to use our stuff on other conditions

Vit is not a thef

Vit is just ignorant a**** that cant respect hours and hours of work that ppl put in theyr addons.

And sayng that hes puting so much time into it just to make community happy

is simple bullshit

work hes puting into it is nothing comparing to work ppl put into making addons from scratch

wich then his using to make "his"

@Vit

please tell me Vit, how much work you would need to put into those helos to make all those parts you took from others ?

and think, shouldnt it be mentioned in readme with a little more respect ?

OFPL and Vit dont have anymore issues, for now.

our things are clear.

But i have simple advice for you, Vit.

Next time pay more attention to writting Credits part in your readme, then addonmakers will not bug you so much....

And if next time you will show us some new screens, first thing you should write under those pics

should be whos stuff this realy is, in case you will again try to convert someones work.

[Big Dawg KS 6]

It is not up to you to decide what is the right or the wrong reason to make addon's. If people ask that their work isnt modified and rereleased without their prior consent you respect that. Vit's behaviour IS demotivating to me and to a lot of other addon makers. Just because you arent demotivated by it doesn't mean noone is. Amazing how you apparently know what I feel better then I do as I dont know what I am talking about.

If you are demotivated by that then your only motivation must be fame, am I right? Of course then, if I were you, I would want to work even harder to get more fame, which is actualy more motivating. I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how you think supah, and if you are telling me that I can't speak for others, then why are you doing it when you say "and to a lot of other addon makers"? I also noticed that many readmes actually don't state that they wish for there work to not be used without permission. But then again, there is not much difference between people using your creations in your own PBO and people using them in their own PBO. Do you see what I am saying? People using your work in their own addons is not very different then people using your work as it is in their missions. So like I said, if you don't want people using your stuff, then don't release it. And if you state that you make addons for yourself, then you don't even have a point to argue with, since if you never release them then nobody can even use them, and still if you do release them and you only made them for your own pleasure, why does it matter if somone else uses it for their own pleasure? I believe that as long as someone doesn't claim that it is their work (if Vit gave the credit to himself, and he gets billions of dollars that should be yours, as long as that doesn't happen) then once someone releases an something, you can't tell people they can't use it.

[dm 9]

I agree with Supah, Ironsight, Offtime et al.

People taking your work and calling it their own IS demotivating. For the simple reason that why should I go to the effort of creating something simply so some Johnny no tallent can pinch it and call it their own. Its not about the fame, its about the effort. Why should I spend 50 hours making a model and skin set just so Johnny can take 5 mins to change the pbo name and texture paths and call it his own work?

You wouldn't claim any of Picasso's work as your own, so why should it be any different here?

[offtime 0]

Kyle

once again

using others work isnt such big issue

many of us do things like that

issue with Vit's addons is not about that

its about not giving credits (eg CSLA textures on his mi-17)

not respecting others work that was 100% bigger than Vit's putting parts together.

this whole discussion wouldnt have place if Vit would pay more attention to his Credits part of readme.

@DeadMeatXM2

once ive painted Picasso's reproduction

you know, one of those ready kits, like colour book

i was teling everyone that its oryginal Picasso

[Big Dawg KS 6]

As far as I know Vit isn't claiming that he did it, I mean he did put the pbo name in there indicating thats where he got it and that he didn't make it. I think what Vit is doing is simply packaging a few peoples really good work together, which is not a bad thing. I agree, if someone says they did it, like if they really try to get credit for it, then thats just retarded. But if someone just wants to use something of yours for the benefit of their own addon, then what is wrong with that? And come on I am sure Vit has the greatest respect for your work or he wouldn't be using it in the first place. Besides you guys went a little overboard with this. Offtime, your actualy acting mature about this which is cool, just giving Vit a warning, I agree, Vit for your next release try and credit the names if you know them, that way you will make these people happy, but don't attack him for releasing this good addon. I think a simply aplogy is all that is needed, Vit can say hes sorry and you guys can leave him alone as long as he pays more attention to credit... ok?

[Monkey Lib Front 10]

Did Vit claim it as his own work deadmeat or are you just jumping into this thread without reading? my understanding was that he acknowledged other works that he used but didn't give proper credits.

[Big Dawg KS 6]

did vit claim it as his own deadmeat ir are you just jumping into this thread without reading? my understanding was that he acknowledged other works that he used but didn't give proper credits.

Yea thats my understanding too.

[offtime 0]

anyone did read Airwolf readme from his mi-2 ?

[dm 9]

Did Vit claim it as his own work deadmeat or are you just jumping into this thread without reading? my understanding was that he acknowledged other works that he used but didn't give proper credits.

Last time I looked, not giving credit is the same as calling it your own.

99.9% of people I know will assume that you made an addon you show them with your tags on even if 90% of it was made by someone else.

Edit:

Quote[/b] ]Hello

I update my Mi-8 /17 Pack to Beta 2

this is the updates

...

16)Add fan to cockpit.

Don't see any credit or aknowledgement there, do you?

[Vit-Vit Labs 0]

tell me all....

every topic i open need to be how i rip addon

and steal addon??

i knew thet you dont like me!!!

so i realy realy dont want to crate addons anymore!!

and dont need your bad words about me

good bye OFP

[offtime 0]

tell me all....

every topic i open need to be how i rip addon

and steal addon??

i knew thet you dont like me!!!

so i realy realy dont want to crate addons anymore!!

and dont need your bad words about me

good bye OFP

be mature and do two things

1. Think if you can use word "creating" when basicly there is more work of others that yours in those addons.

2. Dont leave OFP, change your way of crediting ppl, and respect what they got to say about work they made.

if you cant do these two things. Then IS&D.

btw:

from Airwolf's readme

now you will know why hes angry

Quote[/b] ]* ADDON'S DECOMPILATION AND MODIFICATIONS

You can decompile and modify pbo's contents only for your own private use.

You can't publish or distribute these modified files or parts of these files

in any way without prior author's permission (for example - you can't publish

over the web repainted vehicle or vehicle with modified model without my permission).

If you'll receive author's permission for publishing/distributing modified Addon

- you'll publish or distribute it only with this text file in the unchanged form,

and this License Agreement still will be in force.

[Ironsight 1]

every topic i open need to be how i rip addon

and steal addon??

If you keep doing it over and over again? YES!

Quote[/b] ]so i realy realy dont want to crate addons anymore!!

and dont need your bad words about me

Now you act like you are the victim

Quote[/b] ]I think a simply aplogy is all that is needed, Vit can say hes sorry and you guys can leave him alone as long as he pays more attention to credit... ok?

If it would be the first time this would exactly my reaction but he's doing it over and over again:

Remember the KA-52

[sanctuary 19]

To avoid some possible further misunderstandings, here is the readme of the version 1.0 of the Mi8/17 Pack that can be found in Vit Labs website.

Quote[/b] ]Description:

============

Mi-8/17 Pack

Team Crate

===========

Vit = code and 3d

BigDawgKS = scripts

Arika = Texture (from SKS MOD and original from CSLA)

Version

=======

1.0

Required:

=========

Resistance 1.96

Required Addons:

================

OWP_Crew

Add-on

======

1.Mi-17M

2.Mi-17M Multi

3.Mi-17MDV

4.Mi-17MDV Multi

5.Mi-8

6.Mi-8V

7.Mi-8 Medic

#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*##*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#

1.0

======

1)Delete smoke on the start of the engine.

2)Fix some script bugs.

3)Fix BIS pic bug.

4)Fix lights bug.

5)Add Mi8/17 Wreck script and models.

6)Remove Mi-17 OFP.

7)Fix start script.

8)Required "OWP_Crew".

9)Fix power/power2 error line.

10)Fix some cargo error.

11)Add bads to mi-8 madic.

12)Change names.

13)Add Injured anim to mi-8 madic.

14)Fix scripts.

15)Add s\n numbers.

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Beta 3

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1)Fix tail rotor bug.

2)Now missile and Vulcan can hit the coppter.

3)Fix incoming script.

4)Fix Start script. (not start script on the air)

5)Fix damage script.

6)Fix end script.

7)Fix texture bug.

8)Add new rockets pod.

9)Add back the old engine sound.

10)Fix back on the damage script ("Hydraulics Failure" bug).

11)Add Mi-17M (OFP Original with scripts).

12)Add Mi-8V.

13)Add Mi-17 MDV.

14)Fix Radio script.

15)Fix front door bug (far view don't see it).

16)Delete "Mi-17Mtv"

17)Manual and Auto Flayers.

18)Add damage texture.

19)Cargo doors can't open in the air.

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Beta 2

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1)Fix damage script.

2)Fix texture on the cargo view.

3)Fix fix TV bug texture.

4)Update start script.

5)Fix Model and Texture in all the mi-17/8

6)Fix gun smoke script.

7)Add radio script and sound.

8)Fix start script.

9)Fix end script.

10)Replace the Pic of the add-on.

11)Add Mi-8 Medic support.

12)Update some texture on the cockpit.

13)Fix a lots of texture bugs.

14)New cockpit texture.

15)Automatic Flare.

16)Add fan to cockpit.

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Beta 1

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1)Model Convert

2)Replace main rotor

3)Replace Gears

4)Add new cargo door (Mi-17MD)

5)Replace 3d balls on the front.

6)Add rope script .

7)Add rotor wash script.

8)Add pickup cargo script.

9)ECP support.

10)Add mi-17 type MD ,MDV ,M

11)Cargo door are open now.

12)smoke on the engine start.

13)startup script.

14)fire script.

15)flares script.

16)jammer script.

17)incomming script.

18)Add Mi-8

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Take from other mods\add-ons

==========================

1)Take cargo room texture and engine 3d from OFPL_Mi8.

2)Fan and seats from awmi2p.

Thx to

======

Silver Kelpie Studios

FINAL WORD:

============

This is NOT an official Add-on. Use it at your own risk.

just please don't release versions as replacements for this one.

And here is the readme of the OFPL_mi8 , with the open source llicense in the end

Quote[/b] ]Polish Mil Mi-8 by OFPL team (Operation Flashpoint Poland)

Created for WP Soldiers mini mod, Operation Carrot Studio & LWP mod.

THIS IS BETA STAGE ADDON, doesnt include all features and functionality we plan in full release.

OFPL_Mi8.pbo

Version: 0.1b

Credits:

Offtime - textures, modeling

Diesel - modeling, animations

Special thanks to:

Gordy for cockip part from his Mi-8 model.

Hawk for gear script.

BIS for base Mi-17 model.

INSTALLATION:

There is 1 PBO file in the zip file, which need to be extracted into your Operation Flashpoint/Addons folder.

(NOTE: you can use either the OFP/Addons or Res/Addons folder)

ADDED UNITS:

West>Air>Mi-8

FEATURES:

Comparing to BIS Mi-17 much more round in few places,

complete new cockpit geometry and proper cockpit windows,

6 instead of 5 side windows,

open cargo space,

animated side doors,

animated gear.

VERSION HISTORY:

0.1b - first released by Offtime. (pbo name: OFPL_Mi8.pbo)

FINAL WORD:

This is NOT an official Addon. Use it at your own risk.

This addon is open source for everyone who wants to modify it in any way,

just please dont release versions as replacements for this one.

Open source restrictions:

1. You dont have full rights to this model no matter how much you will change in it,

this model belongs to community.

2. You dont need to ask me permission to redo this model,

dont expect others to ask you, once you will release your version based on this model.

3. Remember about Credits part in your readme.txt

4. Remember about Open Source license in your readme.txt

5. Remember to write exactly what you did to this model in Version History part of readme.txt

6. And whats most important in Open Source license - make sure to release fully editable version of this addon.

Enjoy the addon!

The open source license from the OFPL original helicopter did not require a permission request.

The only problem that is obvious in Vit readme is that he has not included the proper credits to OFPL that are required , and he has not added the open source license from OFPL in the download that is required too.

If Vit add this in his pack , there should be no more problem.

Personnally, i noticed that despite Vit did not add the simple opensource licenses and credits required to his readme (and AirwolfPL part too) , the original authors have been really cool with him.

To at least thanks them , Vit should at least add in his readme what was required as soon as possible, it is a simple matter of copy/paste.

[Vit-Vit Labs 0]

All who want to F-16 Israel Army beta test

send me pm

bcz i dont public anymore thing

and not update the site

so only contact will be in the e-mail

vit_labs@walla.com

[offtime 0]

All who want to F-16 Israel Army beta test

send me pm

bcz i dont public anymore thing

and not update the site

so only contact will be in the e-mail

vit_labs@walla.com

[sarcasm]realy mature decission[/sarcasm]