The Middle East part 2

[mp_phonix 0]

hmm . . .descrbie brutal occupation

[Nemesis6 0]

Damn it, you did it this time Phoenix. Now he's gonna bring out some example of either an Israeli operation in which civilians died, or a tale along the lines of "Little Ahmed was just TRANSPORTING the suicide bomber belt, he didn't mean to blow anyone up. And then the ZioNazis(as NaziMedia/IndyMedia calls Israelis) detained him.

[Garcia 0]

The Palestinians are not under a "brutal occupation" and Israel isn't "Bombing Lebanon to dust". I'm not gonna argue this because it's merely how you see it and how you see it is wrong.

They're under a occupation that they probably feel is brutal, and Israel is bombing quite large parts of Lebanon to dust...and they're bombing most of the important structures in south-lebanon to dust.

And have you ever thought that it might be how you see it that's wrong?

[mp_phonix 0]

Damn it, you did it this time Phoenix. Now he's gonna bring out some example of either an Israeli operation in which civilians died, or a tale along the lines of "Little Ahmed was just TRANSPORTING the suicide bomber belt, he didn't mean to blow anyone up. And then the ZioNazis(as NaziMedia/IndyMedia calls Israelis) detained him.

Nemesis you made me laugh ! really !

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Little Ahmed was just TRANSPORTING the suicide bomber belt, he didn't mean to blow anyone up. And then the ZioNazis(as NaziMedia/IndyMedia calls Israelis) detained him.

   

That was a good one ! [i'm not being saracstic or smt against you, that was funny, really   ]

Israel is not occupaing Lebanon. They are just mopping things up.

[Bernadotte 0]

Nemesis you made me laugh ! really !

Nemesis always makes me laugh ! really !  

[deanosbeano 0]

Damn it, you did it this time Phoenix. Now he's gonna bring out some example of either an Israeli operation in which civilians died, or a tale along the lines of "Little Ahmed was just TRANSPORTING the suicide bomber belt, he didn't mean to blow anyone up. And then the ZioNazis(as NaziMedia/IndyMedia calls Israelis) detained him.

Nemesis you made me laugh ! really !

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Little Ahmed was just TRANSPORTING the suicide bomber belt, he didn't mean to blow anyone up. And then the ZioNazis(as NaziMedia/IndyMedia calls Israelis) detained him.

That was a good one ! [i'm not being saracstic or smt against you, that was funny, really ]

Israel is not occupaing Lebanon. They are just mopping things up.

lol not a funny as you, your replying to a person and you havent read a thing of what he said,lol no wonder your answers sound so naive

you know you are very funny too

comedy duo anyone ?

he wrote

Quote[/b] ]The Palestinians are not under a "brutal occupation"

you answered.

Quote[/b] ]Israel is not occupaing Lebanon. They are just mopping things up.

i think i will go now,enough funny tonight.

[Nemesis6 0]

And have you ever thought that it might be how you see it that's wrong?

You know, I have. Then I see a thigh holed like a swiss cheese with metal shrapnel or a dead Israeli hanging out of a bus. Literally, his hands hanging out of it. And another just sitting with his head leaned back, his face totally charred. Then I slowly drift out of lollypops-and-puppies-we-can-all-be-friends-with-the-jihadi-maniacs-land and start realizing that I am on the right side. Both politically and morally.

[Garcia 0]

And have you ever thought that it might be how you see it that's wrong?

You know, I have. Then I see a thigh holed like a swiss cheese with metal shrapnel or a dead Israeli hanging out of a bus. Literally, his hands hanging out of it. And another just sitting with his head leaned back, his face totally charred. Then I realize that I am on the right side.

Funny, so you still think you're on the right side when you see IDF bombing farmers loading a truck with stuff like potatoes. Oh, wait, you obviously chose Israels side because you can see the damage the Palestinian/Lebanese terrorist cause, while you can't see shit of what IDF did, because what's left isn't the bodies of the large numbers of civilians hit, it's just a crater with some rubble in it.

If you choose side by the number of casualties, you should probably think about changing. Last time I heard, it was like 750 Lebanese civilians, against 50-70 Israelis, where the majority was military personel. And even though you might claim some of the lebanese civilians were Hizbollah, you'll end up with at least 400-500 (and now I'm probably generous) Lebanese civilians dead, which is still 10 time more than the Israeli casualties, probably around 20 times more than the israeli civilians casualties. Of course, these numbers are from last week, so they're all higher now, but I really doubt the Israeli numbers of casualties have passed the Lebanese ones...

[mp_phonix 0]

deansbeno,

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lol not a funny as you, your replying to a person and you havent read a thing of what he said,lol no wonder your answers sound so naive

you know you are very funny too

comedy duo anyone ?

I was replying to Garcia who said:

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They're under a occupation that they probably feel is brutal, and Israel is bombing quite large parts of Lebanon to dust...and they're bombing most of the important structures in south-lebanon to dust

You actually managed to embarres yourself. Realy comedyy eh ?

Myabe I should put a Huge "===============================================================" betwenn subject, so that  people like you will get the point  

@Garcia:

At least we don't target civillians delibertly, Like terrorist organizations {Hizballah,Hamas}

[Ares1978 0]

Israel is not occupaing Lebanon. They are just mopping things up.

I'd call it "varminting".

[EiZei 0]

At least we don't target civillians delibertly, Like terrorist organizations {Hizballah,Hamas}

Makes you kind of wonder about that with these casualty rates..

[deanosbeano 0]

Israel is not occupaing Lebanon. They are just mopping things up.

I'd call it "varminting".

sounds close to being sick "vomiting/varmiting" i would have to agree .

@ phonix, try again m8. read exactly what ya was replying to, a discusion about the brutal occupation of palestine and the bombing to dust of lebanon .

[Ares1978 0]

sounds close to being sick "vomiting/varmiting" i would have to agree .

Am I supposed to interpret that as a deliberate misunderstanding?  

[deanosbeano 0]

depends , i pictured them mopping up pieces of women and children in lebanon and nearly vomited.i couldnt guess what image made you think of varminting ? maybe yosemite sam and bugs bunny in a cartoon fantasy world ?

[Ares1978 0]

depends , i pictured them mopping up pieces children in lebanon and nearly vomited.

There's a difference where they are mopping up pieces of children?

[deanosbeano 0]

at the risk of repeating myself,There is no difference,do you know any difference ?

[mp_phonix 0]

Yes you people are so good on critisizing Israel's actions and making them sound like murderes. Yes of course you will condem Israeli actions, after all  your house isn't blowen to pices by Katyusha rockets, you are not afraid to board buses in the center of the country, you don't hear every-day about sucide bomber being interecpted, terrorist that were planning to do a mass shooting being arrested {what you call "Kidnhapping"}soldiers being killed {of course it's ok because "they were on phalastinian land"}, Qassam rockets are not falling in your city & security guards are not present in every public place {schools,malls,bus stations -> just visit the "Ben Guriyon" international in Tel-Aviv. The only thing that is missing is tanks and attack helicopters}. Military Jeeps with mounted MG's don't drive into your neiberhood when theres a murder by gunshots {exactly what happend 2 weeks ago in mine -> army jeep with MG & armed to the teeth soldiers arrived with the police}

I'm not happy about civillian casualtis but I will not condem my country for trying to fight terrorist. Civillians are being killed and it is unfortunate but strangly you expect my country to stop the Air-Strikes & Ground operation becuase they are "Occupaing" and "Killing civillians". Of course you don't give a shit that a million people are sitting in shelters just because some loonetics with rockets that were allowed to run freely in their country are bombing them.

[Ares1978 0]

at the risk of repeating myself,There is no difference,do you know any difference ?

None, but I could make up a few if you want me to. So what's the difference if they are mopping up pieces of Lebanese children?

Doesn't anybody here have the balls to say straight out that they think that Lebanese civilians are more valuable than Israeli?

[deanosbeano 0]

yes and now we gonna bomb the shit out of them, the world will cry "hooooo Israel are civillian killers" and whole cycle starts again. nothing new.

In my opnion - burn Gaza, Artilary them to death, bomb them, screw them, the go to Lebanon and bomb the whole southern sector.

some of you say if you kill civillians more terrorist will rise. WTF ?

WE retreated from Lebanon in 2000, from Gaza in 2005,l and they pull this off. So what ? fuck em, lets just burn them now and be done with it. Israel takes notice of what the world say to much.

Quote[/b] ]I'm not happy about civillian casualtis but I will not condem my country for trying to fight terrorist

hmm you need to make your mind up.

at the risk of repeating myself,There is no difference,do you know any difference ?

None, but I could make up a few if you want me to. So what's the difference if they are mopping up pieces of Lebanese children?

Doesn't anybody here have the balls to say straight out that they think that Lebanese civilians are more valuable than Israeli?

no i dare say nobody is sick enough,but if you read the forums ,some people do come pretty close to saying one sides civilians are worth less than the other.

[mp_phonix 0]

I'm not happy about it, but that dosn't mean I won't do it for that security of the people living in my country.

Now i'm being more clear ?

[Ares1978 0]

hmm you need to make your mind up.

"If you can't change your mind, are you sure you still have one?"

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no i dare say nobody is sick enough,but if you read the forums ,some people do come pretty close to saying one sides civilians are worth less than the other.

You're absolutely right, they do come pretty close, but they still don't say it straight out. I'd say let the fuckers fight it out and may the best man win, but I know people will start whining and make up excuses why the evil Israeli civilians deserve to be killed (blah blah blah stolen land blah blah zionazis blah blah chosen people) and the poor helpless Lebanese don't.

[Stealth3 0]

Two articles, one really interesting.

Red Cross: Israel violates Geneva Conventions

Tuesday, August 8, 2006; Posted: 3:35 p.m. EDT (19:35 GMT)

The president of the International Committee of the Red Cross accused Israel on Tuesday of violating the Geneva Conventions by preventing aid convoys from getting into areas targeted by Israeli airstrikes.

The official, Jakob Kellenberger, demanded more access to civilians in southern Lebanon. He will meet with Israeli officials on Wednesday.

"By letting down leaflets you cannot get rid of your responsibilities under international humanitarian law," Kellenberger said, referring to warnings the Israeli military has issued before airstrikes.

Earlier, a Red Cross spokesman said the group was able to win "freedom of movement" for convoys after repeated requests to Israel.

Thousands of people are still believed to be living in shelters in southern Lebanon villages, Red Cross spokesman Roland Huguenin-Benjamin said. While the Red Cross is allowed to bring ships into the Lebanese ports of Tyre and Sidon, he said, damaged roads have hindered the delivery of aid into the countryside.

The destruction of a main road and a makeshift bridge by airstrikes forced Doctors Without Borders to bring supplies into the southern Lebanese city of Tyre by forming a human chain across the Litani River, said a spokesman for the aid group.

Israel to southern Lebanese: Stay off roads

The Israeli military dropped leaflets Tuesday over Tyre, warning of stepped-up operations and urging people to stay off the roads or risk being targeted.

One leaflet, which a Lebanese Broadcasting Corp. reporter showed on the air, said that "terrorist elements ... are using you as human shields by launching rockets toward the state of Israel from your homes."

The translated leaflet continued, "All cars and of any type will be shelled if seen moving south of the Litani River because it will be considered a suspect of transferring rockets, military ammunitions and those causing destruction."

The warning is in effect for all residents south of the Litani River.

The area is also a launching point for Hezbollah's rockets. The Lebanon-based militant group had launched 145 rockets into Israel by Tuesday evening, Israeli police said, wounding two people. Rockets struck in northern towns such as Safed, Kiryat Shmona and Maalot; set fields ablaze; and damaged buildings, police said.

Meanwhile, the IDF reported it carried out 82 airstrikes in Lebanon overnight targeting buildings, access routes and missile launchers.

The death toll from Monday's Israeli attack on the southern Beirut suburb of Shiyah has risen to 30, according to Lebanon's security forces. Another 64 were injured in the attack. Security sources also said an Israeli warship off the coast fired on Shiyah on Tuesday night, hitting a building near a mosque.

Also Tuesday, Israeli airstrikes hit the southern Lebanese town of Ghaziye, near Sidon, killing eight civilians and wounding 33, Lebanon's security forces said. The attacks occurred as mourners were burying villagers killed in a bombing the previous day, the AP and Reuters reported.

Israeli forces also killed four Hezbollah fighters in the Lebanese village of Al Mansouri and three others in Bint Jbeil and Ramiya, the IDF said. Five guerrillas were taken prisoner in Bint Jbeil and Shihin, according to the Israeli military.

Overnight combat left one Israeli soldier dead and four wounded, officials said.

Second article:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,20050483,00.html

"We are now in a process of renewed escalation," a senior general defence staff officer said. "We will continue hitting everything that moves in Hezbollah, but we will also hit strategic civilian infrastructure."

Although he did not mention specific civilian targets, Beirut's power grid would appear to be particularly vulnerable.

Another Israeli official said he expected no ceasefire for another two weeks.

but we will also hit strategic civilian infrastructure."

What do you guys think?

[Nemesis6 0]

Geneva conventions, oh my, bringing out out the heavy artillery, huh?

Has Israel signed the Geneva conventions?

[deanosbeano 0]

Quote[/b] ]You're absolutely right, they do come pretty close, but they still don't say it straight out. I'd say let the fuckers fight it out and may the best man win

i would entirely agree with you,But a child againts a rocket or a child against a J-dam isnt really the same is it.if it was man against man ,i guess there wouldnt be all this outcry.trouble is it isnt.

[Daniel 0]

I think in this day and age there has to be another way. I'm not a military strategist so I'm not about to propose one, but I can't see how anyone can defend Israel's methods.

Quote[/b] ]Geneva conventions, oh my, bringing out out the heavy artillery, huh?

Has Israel signed the Geneva conventions?

What heavy artillery? Its a freakin statement not an attack, IMO the civilised thing to say would be "Oh my, that's terrible, these people deserve aid".