USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

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You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.

-John Kerry

(Click text for the video of the statement).

To which some troops answered -

Seems like the democrats are being a little more... Wait, that's just their typical ways of expressing their kooky opinions; Spitting in the faces of others. Like the 9/11 conspiracies. That someone like John Kerry would say something like that does not surprise me since he's what one would call a liberal/nutjob. All of which, of course, can only lead me to one conclusion - Democrats are zombies!

John Kerry obviously tried to provocate Bush, and not the soldiers in Iraq. When he said "stuck in Iraq", he meant that Bushwas stuck (hence Iraq is all Bush is talking about - nothing else.).

That people think Kerry tried to provocate the soldiers, is a result in Bush' comments to Kerrys speech. The picture of the soldiers is quite funny though, and shows extremely well how biased the news and oppinions these soldiers are given.

But who could blame them - they are afterall far away from any non-biased news source.

[Nemesis6 0]

The funny thing is, if he was talking about Bush being stuck in Iraq, as many democrats do, why did he feel the need to apologize?

Because he wasn't talking about George Bush. It was another democratic low blow.

[Nemesis6 0]

As you know there are 435 members in the United States House of Representatives. Among them ONE muslim was chosen this year and this is the hysterically funny (yet scary) reaction of the members of an extreme right-wing website free republic:

CAIR endorsed guy. That should be enough to make anyone afraid of him. And then there's the whole thing with him being a former member of the Nation of Islam.

Feel stupid now?

[EiZei 0]

As you know there are 435 members in the United States House of Representatives. Among them ONE muslim was chosen this year and this is the hysterically funny (yet scary) reaction of the members of an extreme right-wing website free republic:

CAIR endorsed guy. That should be enough to make anyone afraid of him. And then there's the whole thing with him being a former member of the Nation of Islam.

Feel stupid now?

Damnit, youre right. Better get the ammunition, the muslims are coming!

[crashdome 3]

You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.

-John Kerry

Truth hurts, don't it.

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Rumsfeld Resigns

Quote[/b] ]WASHINGTON -

President Bush said Wednesday Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld is stepping down and former

CIA Director Robert Gates will take over at the

Pentagon and in prosecuting the war in

Iraq. ADVERTISEMENT

Rumsfeld, architect of an unpopular war in Iraq, intends to resign after six stormy years at the Pentagon, Republican officials said.

The development occurred one day after midterm elections that cost Republicans control of the House, and possibly the Senate, as well. Surveys of voters at polling places said opposition to the war was a significant contributor to the Democratic victory.

Good riddance,sorry you stayed in power this long asshole..

Meanwhile Democrats gain control of House and are on the brink of taking control of the Senate.

Change at last?Call me an optimist but I think americans are finally starting to catch up.

The sad thing is that it took 3,000 US soldiers back in body bags for them to realise.If the US casualties were as low as in Afghanistan and Iraqi resistance wasn`t as fierce I imagina everything would be fine and dandy for republicans today.

[Garcia 0]

The funny thing is, if he was talking about Bush being stuck in Iraq, as many democrats do, why did he feel the need to apologize?

Because he wasn't talking about George Bush. It was another democratic low blow.

Because he didn't mean it the way he said it, and since some people felt hurt, he felt the need to apologize. If you call someone whos close to you something bad during a quarrel, and you then apologize for it later, does that mean that it was your honest opinion, or is there a possibility that you said it because you were angry and because you wanted to hurt that person?

Quote[/b] ]CAIR endorsed guy. That should be enough to make anyone afraid of him. And then there's the whole thing with him being a former member of the Nation of Islam.

Feel stupid now?

How horrible. We've got some muslims in our goverment here...I hope USA can drop by and kills them...or else I have to get a gun and hide under my bed

Actually we got Mullah Krekar around too (not in our goverment though)!!! Shiiiit...he's even been a leader for this bad organization...damn, we're really fucked! I might as well get ready to get shot

[earl 0]

You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.

-John Kerry

Look, there is absolutely no reason why Kerry would deliberately insult soldiers serving in Iraq.  The moderates and conservatives unhappy with TBA are exactly the people that democrats needed to appeal to, and the purpose was to point out that leadership led the US into an operation that is falling apart.   There is no political gain by insulting troops on the ground.  Good grief, please, think about it!  He served in combat too, remember?  Of course he was trying to insult Bush and his top staff.  It was a prepared joke, badly botched, and jumped on immediately by scared Republicans with no better ideas about how to turn the tide right before the elections.

Quote[/b] ]There is no greater testament to the power of the Republican message machine than the fact that, for two days last week, the political news cycle came to be dominated by a bungled Kerry joke. Kerry, according to his prepared remarks, was trying to make a joke about Bush's lack of intellectual curiosity: "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush." Alas, Kerry wandered off the prepared text and tried to put the joke in his own words. As all of us who survived the 2004 election know, bad things happen when he tries to do that. And so the joke came out: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w061106&s=chait110606

Check comment #49 at that link.

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You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.

-John Kerry

Look, there is absolutely no reason why Kerry would deliberately insult soldiers serving in Iraq. The moderates and conservatives unhappy with TBA are exactly the people that democrats needed to appeal to, and the purpose was to point out that leadership led the US into an operation that is falling apart. There is no political gain by insulting troops on the ground. Good grief, please, think about it! He served in combat too, remember? Of course he was trying to insult Bush and his top staff. It was a prepared joke, badly botched, and jumped on immediately by scared Republicans with no better ideas about how to turn the tide right before the elections.

What a fck. I'm not joining the Swedish armed forces beacause I'm dumb.

I'm probably taking the hardest type of education right now (where I read alot of math, lots of physics, biology, chemistry, and other pretty hard stuff). I get 'full acces' to all universitys in Sweden (OK, almost all then), so I'm not dumb or anything.

My view is that I don't want ending up eating breakfast, reading about 5 children in Sudan that was shot when rebels engaged a food-transport. And when I read the article, I think "Oh, man, that really sucks. Fcking world we live in". And then I keep going, turn the page and get to the comics, forgets about that stuff later on.

I want to do something about it. I want to be a guy standing there, and saying:

"Nobody shoots here, cause I bring peace.". Maybe I won't allways suceed, but atleast I can feel that I did something to make this world better.

Surely, I can make this world better without being armed to the teeth, but well, if we need to go hard vs hard to straighten it out, that's what we need to do.

Then ofcourse, many people might think that it's just dumb people that can't get a real job, that gets into the military.

Those people should really think again.

[ralphwiggum 6]

It just goes to show that GOP was so desperate that they were relying on whatever they can muster, including ignoring reading ability.

Now that election results are in, it seems like Dems will take over House, and very close to taking over Senate. Senate is still up in the air, so I don't think we'll have definitive answer right now, but the results would show that whatever current administration was doing is finally catching up. This just goes on to show that no matter how holier GOP thinks they are they are same as Dems, if not worse. They think it's politicizing when a congressman sends inappropriate message to a page, and they cannot be judged for corruption, and get away with racial tensions.

Karl Rove, before election, said something to the effect of, "There is math, and there is THE math. I beleive we will win." I wonder what he is going to say now. I've been reading some gun forums and they are crying and worrying that they will lose their guns.

On top of that, Rumsfeld's resignation came right after election. I guess the Whitehouse was more interested in keeping politics alive than admitting that they were wrong and find realistic solution ASAP.

It's so fun to see how silent this place is. 2004 brought out GOP supporters here throwing party and even implicitly threatening moderators. I wonder where they are now. (Now that I said, it they will come here in droves, I guess )

[Balschoiw 0]

I am quite interested in all that investigations they are planning.

If I can see Cheney and Bush in front of a court I will believe that the US have found their way back to world-community and found a way back to their own roots of justice and democracy.

Rumsfeld took the chance to bail out. He was overripe anyway.

Wonder if he will be put to court for his blatant mishandling of military issues aswell. What a faggot.

[ralphwiggum 6]

I am quite interested in all that investigations they are planning.

If I can see Cheney and Bush in front of a court I will believe that the US have found their way back to world-community and found a way back to their own roots of justice and democracy.

Rumsfeld took the chance to bail out. He was overripe anyway.

Wonder if he will be put to court for his blatant mishandling of military issues aswell. What a faggot.

nice going there Bals. You just got yourself a nice ban.

[PainDealer 0]

It's so fun to see how silent this place is. 2004 brought out GOP supporters here throwing party and even implicitly threatening moderators. I wonder where they are now. (Now that I said, it they will come here in droves, I guess )

*Trying my luck here*

If you weren't kidding 'bout Bals's ban, I don't wonder that (see quote) at all.

[billybob2002 0]

It's so fun to see how silent this place is. 2004 brought out GOP supporters here throwing party and even implicitly threatening moderators. I wonder where they are now. (Now that I said, it they will come here in droves, I guess )

I wonder who you are talking about? Anyway, if the White House was truly playing politics with Rumsfeld being Secretary of Defence (SoD), Rumsfeld would had resigned and a new SoD would be in place before the election. Rumsfeld as SoD for this long has only hurt the Republicans.

Yes, it is funny how some of gun owners are acting because President Bush is still in office and he knows the Republicans need the gun owners for '08.

[Stendac 0]

Good riddance,sorry you stayed in power this long asshole..

Meanwhile Democrats gain control of House and are on the brink of taking control of the Senate.

Change at last?Call me an optimist but I think americans are finally starting to catch up.

The sad thing is that it took 3,000 US soldiers back in body bags for them to realise.If the US casualties were as low as in Afghanistan and Iraqi resistance wasn`t as fierce I imagina everything would be fine and dandy for republicans today.

Rumsfeld didn't have to step down because of the three thousand casualties. He had to do it because it was costing the Republicans votes because American voters are upset by how poorly the war was planned and how the situation is deteriorating now.

The number of troop casualties alone was not grounds for removing Rumsfeld; it's expected during wartime. But since voters thought that casualties (among both Americans and Iraqis) could have been much lower had the war been planned better, Rumsfeld was forced to resign. It costed the Republicans many seats in Congress.

Anyway, that's my opinion. It's too soon to celebrate though. Let's hope that Robert Gates is up to task.

[ralphwiggum 6]

I wonder who you are talking about? Anyway, if the White House was truly playing politics with Rumsfeld being Secretary of Defence (SoD), Rumsfeld would had resigned and a new SoD would be in place before the election. Rumsfeld as SoD for this long has only hurt the Republicans.

Yes, it is funny how some of gun owners are acting because President Bush is still in office and he knows the Republicans need the gun owners for '08.

Short term memory?

The Whitehouse was thinking of replacing Rumsfeld anyways, but doing it before the election would contradict what they said about 'stying the course' and would be admitting that things are not oing well. Since it was Dems asking for Rumsfeld's resignation it would be seen as victory for Dems, and the GOP just couldn't stand that. So they waited until it became clear that voters are not happy with current administration then they could drop him for sure. Just a few weeks ago, the Whitehouse said that Rumsfeld would stay until January of 2009 IIRC.

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How horrible. We've got some muslims in our goverment here...I hope USA can drop by and kills them...or else I have to get a gun and hide under my bed

Are mentally awake? I thought the facts spoke for themselves, but apparently they did not. So I'll dumb it down by providing footnotes :

CAIR - An Islamist front group, previously a fundraiser for Hamas under the name "The Holy Land Foundation". Intolerance of critique shown through ridiculous lawsuits against whomever they wish to silence.

Nation of Islam - A religion built on the ideology that the white was was created by a mad scientist named Yacoub.

Does THAT help? Or was is more one of those posts where you paint me with whatever label you can pull out of the bag of liberal insults, like "Islamophobic" or, as you believe I am, 'Racist'.

[billybob2002 0]

I wonder who you are talking about? Anyway, if the White House was truly playing politics with Rumsfeld being Secretary of Defence (SoD), Rumsfeld would had resigned and a new SoD would be in place before the election. Rumsfeld as SoD for this long has only hurt the Republicans.

Yes, it is funny how some of gun owners are acting because President Bush is still in office and he knows the Republicans need the gun owners for '08.

Short term memory?

The Whitehouse was thinking of replacing Rumsfeld anyways, but doing it before the election would contradict what they said about 'stying the course' and would be admitting that things are not oing well. Since it was Dems asking for Rumsfeld's resignation it would be seen as victory for Dems, and the GOP just couldn't stand that. So they waited until it became clear that voters are not happy with current administration then they could drop him for sure. Just a few weeks ago, the Whitehouse said that Rumsfeld would stay until January of 2009 IIRC.

Hey, I vote for Democrats and Republicans.

Rumsfeld probably offered his resignation on his own, again. It was actually last week that President Bush said he hopes that Rumsfeld will stay on his job until 2009. And, you know that President Bush likes to stick to his guns. His belief of "staying the course" is the solution and Rumsfeld had the chance to stay on until 2009.

One reason why President Bush might have accepted Rumsfeld's resignation is that there is a possibility that the Senate might go Democratic and, therefore, the Congress would be Democratic. A Democratic Congress would likely call for Rumsfeld's resignation and try shell out their plan for "victory in Iraq." President Bush might have to crave to the pressure and ask Rumsfeld to resign or "fire" him, which would make him look weak and the Democrats look strong. By accepting Rumsfeld's resignation before the Democrats take control of the House and, possibility, the Senate, the President did a preemptive strike.

"Staying the course" policy is probably going to change some but nothing radical.....I believe but do not bank on it.

Oh, I hope the Republicans change the House rules that they changed to help them before the Democrats take power.

[billybob2002 0]

How horrible. We've got some muslims in our goverment here...I hope USA can drop by and kills them...or else I have to get a gun and hide under my bed

Are mentally awake? I thought the facts spoke for themselves, but apparently they did not. So I'll dumb it down by providing footnotes :

CAIR - An Islamist front group, previously a fundraiser for Hamas under the name "The Holy Land Foundation". Intolerance of critique shown through ridiculous lawsuits against whomever they wish to silence.

Nation of Islam - A religion built on the ideology that the white was was created by a mad scientist named Yacoub.

Does THAT help? Or was is more one of those posts where you paint me with whatever label you can pull out of the bag of liberal insults, like "Islamophobic" or, as you believe I am, 'Racist'.

Congress is still going to be pro-Israel and Islamic law will not replace our laws. Calm down, please.

[Garcia 0]

How horrible. We've got some muslims in our goverment here...I hope USA can drop by and kills them...or else I have to get a gun and hide under my bed

Are mentally awake? I thought the facts spoke for themselves, but apparently they did not. So I'll dumb it down by providing footnotes :

CAIR - An Islamist front group, previously a fundraiser for Hamas under the name "The Holy Land Foundation". Intolerance of critique shown through ridiculous lawsuits against whomever they wish to silence.

Nation of Islam - A religion built on the ideology that the white was was created by a mad scientist named Yacoub.

Does THAT help? Or was is more one of those posts where you paint me with whatever label you can pull out of the bag of liberal insults, like "Islamophobic" or, as you believe I am, 'Racist'.

It's more that the fact that you seemed to agree to a certain degree with those people who seem to think that USA is going to be "taken over" by muslims because 1 freeking muslims got into the House of Representatives...and generally your lack to belive that people can change...you know that, do you? People can actually change...so to "dumb it down to you". One muslims that once was a bad guy doesn't mean that USA is doomed.

Quote[/b] ]Karl Rove, before election, said something to the effect of, "There is math, and there is THE math. I beleive we will win." I wonder what he is going to say now. I've been reading some gun forums and they are crying and worrying that they will lose their guns.

How horrible that would be They would maybe end up having a lower murderrate and stuff...

but honestly, I doubt it would have that much effect even if it happened...and I doubt even more that it will

[Nemesis6 0]

Once again, I don't mind the person, it's the backdrop that worries me. Financial and political endorsement from an Islamist terrorist front group and having been a member of a black supremacist cult. I hardly think that's congress material. Actually, he does sound like a horrible person, too, with that story behind him. Oh well, what do I know? I'm created by a mad scientist who wanted to create an army of inferiors.

[Jinef 2]

You're a looney.

Edit ... retarded spelling.

[Sophion-Black 0]

How horrible. We've got some muslims in our goverment here...I hope USA can drop by and kills them...or else I have to get a gun and hide under my bed

So thats why the army switched to wear grey uniforms    no wonder.

[Nemesis6 0]

You're a looney.

Edit ... retarded spelling.

Bah, I'm not even gonna respond to your bullshit.

I guess I'll edit, too - I will say this, though: At least I don't use retarded spelling. Isn't that a bit counterproductive, you know, insulting someone and, at the same time, opening a wide hole through which your opponent can hit you twice as hard?

Relevancy - Here's an article explaining Keith Ellison's past, etc - http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/print/015415.php

[crashdome 3]

too OT... nevermind