USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

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Educate your self Nemesis6

Anyway,

Second Koran Found in Toilet at NY University!

Quote[/b] ]NEW YORK (AP) _ Another copy of the Islamic holy book has been found in a toilet at a university library, a civil liberties group said Tuesday. The discovery of the Quran in a toilet at Pace University’s lower M§anhattan campus on Friday was the latest in a series of recent acts of vandalism tinged with racial or religious overtones at the school, said the New York chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an Islamic civil liberties group.

“We once again call on Pace University to take concrete measures to help educate the student population about Islamophobic bigotry and its negative impact on ordinary Muslims and on American society,†Maryam Sayar Akbar, the group’s civil rights director, said in a statement.

This is all according to the radical Islamist frontgroup CAIR. You know, the people whose first thought when Islamists took over Somalia was that it was "a positive change". And then of course we can look at their background and find out they've got ties to Hamas, etc. Hmm, well, question is: Are they going to freak out and destroy stuff and kill people this time? Surely a koran in a toilet is more serious than cartoons...? Or...?

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im confused, how is finding a quran in the toilet vandilism? how is it any different from finding a bible in a toilet?  its seems really silly and petty.

is the book actually down the toilet? that would explain a lot more. i suppose americans call toilets bathrooms

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Quote[/b] ]I guess it is no suprise that the NeoConMen's commie leanings are out there in the editorial policies of the Fox networks.

Just like the New York Times is being used by the Democrats. each party has their own "outlet".

Quote[/b] ]The NeoConMen have no Moral compass.

you're sounding dangerously close to bash right there

Quote[/b] ]Big Governement curtesy of the NeoConMen

I think I'm getting closer to what you really are... your a Confederate aren't you?

Quote[/b] ]A Nation in debt so far your Great Great Grand children will still be paying off your tax debt 120 years from now. Curtesy of the NeoConMen

really... from the looks of it you can't tell by looking at the economy. especially when the Dow Jones just broke 12K. Money is getting more abundant, lighten up.

Quote[/b] ]A senseless costly war in Iraq curtesy of the NeoConMen.

*sigh* We took the advise of the French [and many other nations'] intelligence and went after a guy that had WMD's. Besides, the guy is under trial for crimes against humanity. do you really think we should have let him be?

Quote[/b] ]A more dangerous world with more threats curtesy of the NeoConMen

*stamp: opinion*

Quote[/b] ]im confused, how is finding a quran in the toilet vandilism?

I'm wondering if they actually used it afterwards, with the Qur'an in it... but anyways. Muslims believe the Qur'an is the closest thing to part of Allah.

@walker (your "come to Jesus meeting")

Quote[/b] ]Educate your self Nemesis6

Look,

*** Every time you say "NeoConMen" you're bashing the USA. mainly because they are in power and holding 2 out of the three branches of government. Every time you say "NeoConMen" I swear you're IQ drops because you do not have the intelligence to say "Republican(s)" or worse... something of less characters "GOP". It shows that you obviously are so far out there you have no intent on listening or even to consider the other side of the isle. Now if you go back to the basics you will see how ironic you are: The "NeoConMen", as you say, are part of a government that can only operate if compromise is reached. they listen to opposing points. unlike you they listen to the other side! not only listen they change and find a way where both sides are content! You fail to realize that all this time of calling them "NeoConMen" you put yourself one step lower than them. STOP! your making a fool of yourself! call them by their official titles, even if you do not agree with it. It is a title they have earned. Not By lying, but how the supreme law of the land (The U.S. Constitution) permitted them.

(*sigh* My piece has been said)

Edited November 13, 2013 by Sophion-Black

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And IF you stop saying "NeoConMen" in every post, don't get another stupid substitute like "NeoConvicts". Seriously, Walker, every post you make here sounds like something out of IndyMedia. You get your opinion out, and then you fill the rest of the post with a big bunch of recycled rhetoric you've used before. I mean, I don't go around callling American liberals traitors. I don't call them terrorist-appeasers, either. You know, I could call them demoncrats, too, but I don't because that would be stupid.

Seriously, have you thought about taking that stuff to Indymedia or Kos or Democratic Underground or something?

I like to tell myself that I'm bringing this to your attention for your own good. I did it before, and that got me banned. But I feel that if this thread is to lead to relevant and civil discussion, however civil political debates can be on the internet, you need to transform your posts from darts into the very hearts of the demonic NeoConMen's black hearts, to bite-sized posts without all the superfluous utter-leftist rthetoric. It'll get you a better response from people like me.

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And IF you stop saying "NeoConMen" in every post, don't get another stupid substitute like "NeoConvicts". Seriously,

Yeah, that islamofascist better stop reading al-reuters and nazimedia.

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i find it ironic how america are finally getting the idea iraq wasnt such a good idea and discussing getting syria and iran to bail them out.

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Hi all

@Sophion-Black

Quote[/b] ]Every time you say "NeoConMen" you're bashing the USA.

They are not the USA, that is something far more noble, stop trying to wrap the commie NeoConMen in the US flag your getting it dirty. It is used to wrap the coffins of brave US soldiers not for cowards to hide their politics behind.

As I always suspected, George Bush Junior intends to Cut and Run from Iraq. Now Iraq is a basket case and ready to double the price of gas at the pump days after the US midterm elections. The NeoConMen will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Oh he is going to dress it up nice with another Staussian Text and call it "Redeployment" but only a thicko would not realise it was a withdrawl.

He has also got a patsy in the form of the a commitee run by James Baker to provide a reccomendation that will get him off the hook.

Quote[/b] ]REPORT: Bush Loyalist James Baker Calls Iraq ‘A Helluva Mess’

Former Secretary of State James Baker, one of the most ardent Bush family loyalists, is heading up a commission to review our policy in Iraq. According to the BBC, Baker was “visibly upset†during a recent visit to Iraq, calling the country “a helluva mess.â€

The media has reported that Baker’s panel has “ruled out the prospect for victory†and will recommend a “change in course,†possibly including “withdrawing American troops in phases, and bringing neighboring Iran and Syria into a joint effort to stop the fighting.†Both options were proposed over a year ago by progressives in Strategic Redeployment...

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/18/baker-helluva-mess/

Follow link for the full story and to see the video

DELIBERATE FAILURE TO PUT IN ENOUGH TROOPS TO DO THE JOB

Beyond the plane fact that we never needed to go in to Iraq in the first place. We were infact conned into it by the communist based NeoConMen Liars.

The overiding major problem is that the Donald Rumsfeld and his NeoConMen cronies deliberately stopped the Coalition Generals from planning to win the war.

Quote[/b] ]Rumsfeld forbade post-war planning, general maintains

By STEPHANIE HEINATZ

McCLATCHY-TRIBUNE NEWSPAPERS

9/9/2006

FORT EUSTIS, Va. - Long before the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld forbade military strategists to develop plans for securing a post-war Iraq, the retiring commander of the Army Transportation Corps said Thursday.

In fact, said Brig. Gen. Mark Scheid, Rumsfeld said "he would fire the next person" who talked about the need for a post-war plan.

Rumsfeld did replace Gen. Eric Shinseki, the Army chief of staff in 2003, after Shinseki told Congress that hundreds of thousands of troops would be needed to secure post-war Iraq.

Scheid, who is also the commander of Fort Eustis in Newport News, made his comments in an interview with the Newport News Daily Press. He retires in about three weeks.

Scheid's comments are further confirmation of the version of events reported in "Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq," the book by New York Times reporter Michael R. Gordon and retired Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Bernard E. Trainor...

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060909/1071367.asp

Follow link to read the full story

The NeoConMen have never allowed the coalition soldiers to win in Iraq all those sacked Generals told us exactly what the NeoConMen's plan was under that slime Rumsfeld, heck he said it in clear that he would sack any general that wanted to plan what to do once Iraq was taken.

And once we took Iraq what did the NeoConMen do?

And all the NeoConMen did was loose nearly $30 Billion in Iraqi oil money and US taxes. When I say loose I mean be unable to account for where it went because they employed people who were not accountants to accout for it and had people with experience spending it. Sole requirement was you had to be one of the NeoConMen to get on that gravy train.

Quote[/b] ]Audit: U.S. lost track of $9 billion in Iraq funds

Pentagon, Bremer dispute inspector general's report

Monday, January 31, 2005 Posted: 0412 GMT (1212 HKT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Nearly $9 billion of money spent on Iraqi reconstruction is unaccounted for because of inefficiencies and bad management, according to a watchdog report published Sunday.

An inspector general's report said the U.S.-led administration that ran Iraq until June 2004 is unable to account for the funds...

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.audit/

Follow link for the full story

The phrase "Where is the money George?" Springs to mind.

Not suprisingly US tax payers and even true republican conservatives are as mad as hell about the NeoConMen's disapearing money trick. I guess everyone hates being conned.

Quote[/b] ]October 24, 2005 Issue

Copyright © 2005 The American Conservative

Money for Nothing

Billions of dollars have disappeared, gone to bribe Iraqis and line contractors’ pockets.

by Philip Giraldi

The United States invaded Iraq with a high-minded mission: destroy dangerous weapons, bring democracy, and trigger a wave of reform across the Middle East. None of these have happened.

When the final page is written on America’s catastrophic imperial venture, one word will dominate the explanation of U.S. failure—corruption. Large-scale and pervasive corruption meant that available resources could not be used to stabilize and secure Iraq in the early days of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), when it was still possible to do so. Continuing corruption meant that the reconstruction of infrastructure never got underway, giving the Iraqi people little incentive to co-operate with the occupation. Ongoing corruption in arms procurement and defense spending means that Baghdad will never control a viable army while the Shi’ite and Kurdish militias will grow stronger and produce a divided Iraq in which constitutional guarantees will be irrelevant.

The American-dominated Coalition Provisional Authority could well prove to be the most corrupt administration in history, almost certainly surpassing the widespread fraud of the much-maligned UN Oil for Food Program. At least $20 billion that belonged to the Iraqi people has been wasted, together with hundreds of millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars. Exactly how many billions of additional dollars were squandered, stolen, given away, or simply lost will never be known because the deliberate decision by the CPA not to meter oil exports means that no one will ever know how much revenue was generated during 2003 and 2004.

Some of the corruption grew out of the misguided neoconservative agenda for Iraq, which meant that a serious reconstruction effort came second to doling out the spoils to the war’s most fervent supporters. The CPA brought in scores of bright, young true believers who were nearly universally unqualified. Many were recruited through the Heritage Foundation website, where they had posted their résumés. They were paid six-figure salaries out of Iraqi funds, and most served in 90-day rotations before returning home with their war stories. One such volunteer was Simone Ledeen, daughter of leading neoconservative Michael Ledeen. Unable to communicate in Arabic and with no relevant experience or appropriate educational training, she nevertheless became a senior advisor for northern Iraq at the Ministry of Finance in Baghdad. Another was former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer’s older brother Michael who, though utterly unqualified, was named director of private-sector development for all of Iraq...

http://www.amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/cover.html

Follow link for the full story well worth a read if you want to know where the money went

Please note my use of bold in the article to bring out points

And what did they do with the $30 billion was it paid in traceable cheques? No it was all converted into believe it or not crisp new 1 dollar bills. The only other kind of people who do that are drug dealers when they want to launder the cash.

Are your suspicions raised? Because mine damned well are!

Where is the money George?

Angrily Walker

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Quote[/b] ]@Sophion-Black stop trying to wrap the commie NeoConMen in the US flag your getting it dirty. It is used to wrap the coffins of brave US soldiers not for cowards to hide their politics behind.

The US flag stands for the American way of life. it stands for Freedom, Liberty, Justice, Tranquility, And Equality the of all man. It is a standard for the greatest nation known to man; the world's ONLY superpower. It stood before great wars; both fought on and off its soil. How dare you say it will never wrap the coffin of a man who stood at the head of the United States! A man who the United States Military takes an oath to "obey the orders of" with no other option. You, sir, truly have no regaurds for our men and women overseas!

And yet, you still use "NeoConMen"? Do you not know of the damage you are doing to yourself? Have you no mind!? My patince has been exsausted!

I will no longer read the words of a maddman! Your mouth now fauntains curses and woes! May God forgive you...

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Fox News is the worst I have ever seen. It's not really news per sé, rather it's manipulative opinions with a nasty edge to them.

Fair and unbiased coverage exists in no media outlet, other than those who collect the raw details.

But I have rarely seen any as flagrant with their rhetoric as Fox. Only that of far left/right news sites surpass it.

If you treat what they say as gospel, then you must be truely unhinged.

*Battens down the hatches for the inevitable flames*

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Hi all

Do you want to be as angry as hell?

There still ways to beat Fox lies.

Start by watching this story on MSNBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK4AP07K_hs

Then do a search for documentry the NeoConMen do not want you to see.

"Iraq For Sale"

There are exerpts on youtube and other sites.

Want to know the real dope about the the four contractors who were killed at the start of Fallujha? Get it from their famlies as they tell you all about how NeoConMen company Blackwater the company that employed them pulled men off their team so they were undermaned and failed to supply them with the armoured vehicles they were prommised or even a map.

Remember that truck driver who was ambushed? He got a medal but the NeoConMen of Halliburton Subsiduary Kellog Brown Root refused to allow him to have his medal unless he signed a contract to prevent him from claiming against them. That was government medal but a company gets to decide if he gets it?

Remember Abu Ghraib? Remember the Contractors who were accused of being responsible for the worst exesses? The men who have never been charged despite the investigating JAG saying they were the worst culprits. Who gave them a get out of jail free card?

Have a look at the video exerpts educate your selves. Find out about NeoConMen Halliburton charging $45 per six-pack of sodas for the coalition troops in Iraq.

Find out about the war profiteering NeoConMen who are gouging the US military and Tax payers.

Go watch the film Fox and the NeoConMen do not want you to see.

"Iraq For Sale"

http://iraqforsale.org/

Then ask your self how do I feel?

Kind Regards Walker

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Well, I don't like what they do, but I also dont give that much of a monkeys.

Fox News shoddy ethics aren't something worth having a coronary over.

Those who are over-partirotic need to take a chill pill too. Defending your country is all well and good, but are you really doing it because it is right, or because you were told to? Common sense and independent thought is what seems to be missing these days.

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Hi all

How NeoConMen companies like Haliburton subsiduary Kellog Brown Root treat civilian heroes who win medals in Iraq.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/kbr-release/?resultpage=3&

To paraphrase the NeoConMen's Leagalise "Say you wont sue us and will let you have the medal the government gave you for your work in Iraq."

Walker

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*opens hatch*

Quote[/b] ]If you treat what they say as gospel, then you must be truely unhinged.

that's true for everything... except the gospel itself. But, that is why people need to look at other sources as well. Situational Awareness is key, look around for the same story and see what they have to say.

*tosses MRE down before closing hatch*

Quote[/b] ]Those who are over-partirotic need to take a chill pill too. Defending your country is all well and good, but are you really doing it because it is right, or because you were told to? Common sense and independent thought is what seems to be missing these days.

Tradition. [since I think you're talking about me] I joined the military because in this part of the country (the south) it is tradition. But all things considered, it wasn't the only reason. 9/11 really put a big push for me to join. Common sense will tell you that if someone is looking to go after you, you better have a good defence. That is where I find myself.

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Quote[/b] ]@Sophion-Black stop trying to wrap the commie NeoConMen in the US flag your getting it dirty. It is used to wrap the coffins of brave US soldiers not for cowards to hide their politics behind.

The US flag stands for the American way of life. it stands for Freedom, Liberty, Justice, Tranquility, And Equality the of all man. It is a standard for the greatest nation known to man; the world's ONLY superpower. It stood before great wars; both fought on and off its soil. How dare you say it will never wrap the coffin of a man who stood at the head of the United States! A man who the United States Military takes an oath to "obey the orders of" with no other option. You, sir, truly have no regaurds for our men and women overseas!

And yet, you still use "NeoConMen"? Do you not know of the damage you are doing to yourself? Have you no mind!? My patince has been exsausted!

I will no longer read the words of a maddman! Your mouth now fauntains curses and woes! May God forgive you...

yes it does stand for the american way of life

Freedom

Justice

Tranquility

Equality

All of which a huge chunck on amerian society dont get, the blacks.  New Orleans ring any bells?  America is fundemtally racist, Black in the southern states are not treated with equality, or have fair justice.

It is also not the worlds only superpower, and if you truly beliece that your are either in denial or ignorent to the truth.  Both China and India have faster economic growth, and Russia is becoming economicly stable yet again.

Great wars, were not fought on US soil, ever.  if you call the war of independace a great war then it is for US citizens, but not for the wider world, so calling that a great war is deeply misleading.  A civil war is never a great war so we discount that.   There were no casulties of either ww1 or ww2 on US soil, unless you count Chinease beaten to death by US citizens as they were mistaken for Japanease.

as for the US soldiers actions in Iraq, not disgracing the military or there braveness, but there actions in iraq are absolutly appauling.  Treating iraqis' as subhumans, throwing them about, taunting them, beating them, generally having a laugh.  Generally acting like cowboys, immedially thinking there supirior to iraqi's.  Arresting iraqi police, iraqi army personnel, civil servants,  shooting media personel when it could and should have been avoided, friendly fire on clearly marked convoys, raping, pillaging, murdering inocent people, pulling random iraqi citizens out of there house and flying them to place specificly for torture, denying it agaisnt insomountable evidence,   creating a civil war,  fueling islamic extremeism.  What good has any american soldier done for the averige Iraqi?  absolutly none, you have unstabalised there country and killed a hell of alot more iraqi's than Saddam ever could.

some evidance? this

you dont even have to look as far as youtube. this vidio shows the cowboynes of US troops. i could pull up dosens

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Well, I don't like what they do, but I also dont give that much of a monkeys.

Fox News shoddy ethics aren't something worth having a coronary over.

Those who are over-partirotic need to take a chill pill too. Defending your country is all well and good, but are you really doing it because it is right, or because you were told to? Common sense and independent thought is what seems to be missing these days.

I wouldn't care so much either if FOX News wasn't the #1 rated news channel in America and if they didn't tout their own "objectivity".

(On the other other hand, even though FOX News is #1 in ratings, CNN supposedly has more unique viewers.)

Quote[/b] ]as for the US soldiers actions in Iraq, not disgracing the military or there braveness, but there actions in iraq are absolutly appauling. Treating iraqis' as subhumans, throwing them about, taunting them, beating them, generally having a laugh. Generally acting like cowboys, immedially thinking there supirior to iraqi's. Arresting iraqi police, iraqi army personnel, civil servants, shooting media personel when it could and should have been avoided, friendly fire on clearly marked convoys, raping, pillaging, murdering inocent people, pulling random iraqi citizens out of there house and flying them to place specificly for torture, denying it agaisnt insomountable evidence, creating a civil war, fueling islamic extremeism. What good has any american soldier done for the averige Iraqi? absolutly none, you have unstabalised there country and killed a hell of alot more iraqi's than Saddam ever could.

some evidance? this

Bad example. We don't see any innocents being killed in that video. And I don't blame soldiers for cheering after calling in an airstrike on an enemy position.

It's not that I think that Iraqis are better off due to the war. It's obvious that they are not. I'm saying that you should use confirmed examples of US soldiers mistreating them. Not some YouTube video of soldiers cheering during an airstrike. For example, an article on Abu Ghraib would have better served your argument.

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Quote[/b] ]All of which a huge chunck on amerian society dont get, the blacks.  New Orleans ring any bells?  America is fundemtally racist, Black in the southern states are not treated with equality, or have fair justice.

You can't just say "OK everybody start loving each other after 100+ years of butting heads."

Quote[/b] ]It is also not the worlds only superpower, and if you truly beliece that your are either in denial or ignorent to the truth.  Both China and India have faster economic growth, and Russia is becoming economicly stable yet again.

China is a force to be reckoned with, BUT they would not have enough money to be engaged in a full-scale war for more than 2 years. They can only tax their people so much. The only reason they are a Global Power is because of their military.

Russia... its no more than a make believe government run by the mafia and crooks. If you have looked at the news lately you would see that they are still using the ways of the old Soviet Union.

India... is a nation with a good economy... kinda. If you consider a superpower to have mass people digging through trash to get food then OK.

To be honest, it isn't one nation that worries us. its a a group of countries

Quote[/b] ]There were no casulties of either ww1 or ww2 on US soil, unless you count Chinease beaten to death by US citizens as they were mistaken for Japanease.

WWII (1)

WWII (2)

not including Colonial America. ("great" was just used as an adjective with no implied meaning)

Quote[/b] ]as for the US soldiers actions in Iraq, not disgracing the military or there braveness, but there actions in iraq are absolutly appauling.  Treating iraqis' as subhumans, throwing them about, taunting them, beating them, generally having a laugh.  Generally acting like cowboys, immedially thinking there supirior to iraqi's.  Arresting iraqi police, iraqi army personnel, civil servants,  shooting media personel when it could and should have been avoided, friendly fire on clearly marked convoys, raping, pillaging, murdering inocent people, pulling random iraqi citizens out of there house and flying them to place specificly for torture, denying it agaisnt insomountable evidence,   creating a civil war,  fueling islamic extremeism.

that's war for you

Quote[/b] ]What good has any american soldier done for the averige Iraqi? absolutly none, you have unstabalised there country and killed a hell of alot more iraqi's than Saddam ever could.

YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR! I understand where you are coming from with everything above this. BUT ITS WAR! People get angry! People die! People will change! I'm almost certain you don't understand what war is! For me, studying it just gives me a glimpse of what it its. And it is everything BUT nice!

You act like its just the US that loves to kill. LOOK AROUND YOU! I can bring up the Spanish inquisition! the crusades! the 100 years war! the Roman Conquest! Middle Ages! and so much more!

That video you shown was nothing more than men cheering as they saw a building blow up with men who probably just got done shooting at them. do you blame them?

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Quote[/b] ]All of which a huge chunck on amerian society dont get, the blacks.  New Orleans ring any bells?  America is fundemtally racist, Black in the southern states are not treated with equality, or have fair justice.

You can't just say "OK everybody start loving each other after 100+ years of butting heads."

USA have lived up to the freedom, justice, tranquility and equality that they claim to have. Honestly, all of those are being so overrated by many americans...

Quote[/b] ]

Quote[/b] ]It is also not the worlds only superpower, and if you truly beliece that your are either in denial or ignorent to the truth.  Both China and India have faster economic growth, and Russia is becoming economicly stable yet again.

China is a force to be reckoned with, BUT they would not have enough money to be engaged in a full-scale war for more than 2 years. They can only tax their people so much. The only reason they are a Global Power is because of their military.

Russia... its no more than a make believe government run by the mafia and crooks. If you have looked at the news lately you would see that they are still using the ways of the old Soviet Union.

India... is a nation with a good economy... kinda. If you consider a superpower to have mass people digging through trash to get food then OK.

China and India both have been predicted to take over the role as the strongest power in the world in the future. That is, the next 100 years...

Quote[/b] ]that's war for you

And yet you keep defending it claiming they are so much better off now?

Quote[/b] ]

Quote[/b] ]What good has any american soldier done for the averige Iraqi? absolutly none, you have unstabalised there country and killed a hell of alot more iraqi's than Saddam ever could.

YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR! I understand where you are coming from with everything above this. BUT ITS WAR! People get angry! People die! People will change! I'm almost certain you don't understand what war is! For me, studying it just gives me a glimpse of what it its. And it is everything BUT nice!

You act like its just the US that loves to kill. LOOK AROUND YOU! I can bring up the Spanish inquisition! the crusades! the 100 years war! the Roman Conquest! Middle Ages! and so much more!

That video you shown was nothing more than men cheering as they saw a building blow up with men who probably just got done shooting at them. do you blame them?

What the fuck does "What war is" have to do with how Iraq is and how US soldiers behave in Iraq? If you know so bloody well what shit you've brought on the Iraqi people, why do you support it?

And all you brought up is quite old. Hey, lets point fingers. Look at bad Germany. Who can like Germany? After all, they gave us WWII...I bet Germany haven't changed their policy since then...

You can't bring up examples that's 500-600 years old...

That aside, no, USA isn't the only country fighting wars. However, USA is the country from the western world which have lead the western world into the 2 latest wars that's been started, and the latest one of them was started on BS. That's one of my main problem with the Iraqi war. They came up with lots of crap that turned out to not have anything supporting it. They could at least have had the guts to come up with their real reasons for attacking...and if their given reason actually was their real reasons...that just shows that Bush & Co was a tad bit "triggerhappy".

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Quote[/b] ]China and India both have been predicted to take over the role as the strongest power in the world in the future. That is, the next 100 years...

If they continue on growing as they are now. There is so many things that can between here and 100 years from now.

Quote[/b] ]And yet you keep defending it claiming they are so much better off now?

Its fact. (notice the period) They are going through tough times but its only temporary when they realize it is.

Quote[/b] ]What the fuck does "What war is" have to do with how Iraq is and how US soldiers behave in Iraq?

Everything! They're happy because they just saw a building destroyed that had a guy in it that will fight to the end! And nobody died on their side in the process!

Quote[/b] ]You can't bring up examples that's 500-600 years old...

You can if it points out the fact that people everywhere act like this! They're still human! They're still in an army! Whats the difference!? War hasn't changed at all since the dawn of man! You just have new stuff that does the same thing its wooden counterpart did!

Quote[/b] ]However, USA is the country from the western world which have lead the western world into the 2 latest wars that's been started, and the latest one of them was started  on BS.

When will people realize that the US did not drag everyone by the collar. It's all voluntary! There's a reason they call it the "COALITION OF THE WILLING"!!!!!

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When will people realize that the US did not drag everyone by the collar. It's all voluntary! There's a reason they call it the "COALITION OF THE WILLING"!!!!!

More like "coalition of random countries looking out for handouts or improve their relations towards the USA."

Just look at the damn troop figures.

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war is war is an unacceptable dismissal of american war crimes. i though you were liberators, not conquerors! if war is war then admit your treating iraqi' like conquered people, rather than letting themselves govern there own country. Also to say the problems are only temporary is very silly, the problems are only going to get worse, even US generals have admitted that, and most countries stuck in iraq are deciding to think, "how the hell can we get out of this without it looking bad?".

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Quote[/b] ]Its fact. (notice the period) They are going through tough times but its only temporary when they realize it is.

That´s cynical bullshit.

Currently there are 1.600 000 iraquis on the run from violence, widespread anarchy, religious motivated violence, and finally the US troops who have a very bad record on interacting with locals.

It´s simply denial of reality if you say that they are better off now, as they are obviously not.

You may want to bring your knowledge about Iraq to an up-to-date level, if you find time to put away the US flag that it obviously hindering your sight...

All that lame claims from Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld about "last throws" has somewhat been proven wrong by reality, not ?

Maybe the US troops in Iraq just commit suicide. Maybe that´s why the october numbers of killed US soldiers is somewhat high, no ?

Some recent developement:

Shiite militia seizes control of Iraq city

So much better off...

US admits failure to make Baghdad safer

Bagdad is safe ! Not.

U.N. refugee agency: Exodus in Iraq forces priority shift

You better tell them that their life has improved dramatically. Wait...if you still find someone who is not running from the violence and suffer.

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the irony is the only places in iraq with stability and some sort of order are towns held by rebels.

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If they continue on growing as they are now. There is so many things that can between here and 100 years from now.

Yes, but there's so many things that can happen to USA too which will bump them down from the superpower position...

Quote[/b] ]Its fact. (notice the period) They are going through tough times but its only temporary when they realize it is.

It's not a fact, it's a lie. (notice that the period doesn't make neither mine nor your statement true ).

Quote[/b] ]Everything! They're happy because they just saw a building destroyed that had a guy in it that will fight to the end! And nobody died on their side in the process!

Yes, that might be a part of war, but how about murder and rape? You gonna just brush that away with the "oh war is hell" phrase?

Quote[/b] ]You can if it points out the fact that people everywhere act like this! They're still human! They're still in an army! Whats the difference!? War hasn't changed at all since the dawn of man! You just have new stuff that does the same thing its wooden counterpart did!

You seem to fail to realize that the point isn't wether or not people have acted like this for ages, it's wether or not the acts can be justified. So you mean USAs war in Iraq is all good and nice because the Spanish went on a killing rampage quite some time ago? Does that mean that Hitler was spot on in WWII, just because the pope sent out a crusade or two some hundred years ago? Damn, you must have a easy time justifying things if you actually feel you can just say "Hey, they did it before me!". Does that mean I should be able to kill you without getting punished?

Quote[/b] ]When will people realize that the US did not drag everyone by the collar. It's all voluntary! There's a reason they call it the "COALITION OF THE WILLING"!!!!!

I've not said USA dragged anyone in. They never directly forced anyone in (except the alleged "Fuck you pakistan, you're either with us, or we bomb you to hell" ). However, they went in, made a mess and then started to whine about other countries taking responsibility and help stabilize Afghanistan and Iraq. They made a mess, and to avoid a total human distaster and a total anarchy other countries had to move in to help. Do you really think USA wouldn't put any pressure on anyone if nobody wanted to go in and support them?

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the irony is the only places in iraq with stability and some sort of order are towns held by rebels.

Because the insurgents usually don't bomb their own cities.

And the US military usually doesn't attack insurgents using carbombs in marketplaces.

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Hi all

Well known NeoConMan Curt Weldon is currently being investigated by the FBI as to whether Weldon used his influence to get daughter Karen Weldon's firm nearly $1 million in lobbying contracts with foreign companies.

Weldon started off his defense by saying that the Democrats had waited till the election to anounce the investigation and that they had colluded with the Justice Department and the FBI to do it and that he had a witness who worked for the FBI to prove it

Yes Its the great conspiracy between the Democrats and the Justice Department and the FBI against the NeoConMen.

The witness tuned out to be somone on the NeoConMen's payrole and he had heard the story from some one, who new someone... you get the idea.

Quote[/b] ]Weldon’s FBI ‘informant’ on Curt’s payroll

William Bender, Of the Times Staff

10/20/2006

A scan of the latest Federal Election Commission filings reveals two interesting facts about the 7th District race: The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee finally plunked down the big bucks -- $1.58 million worth of TV ad time on Tuesday alone -- to help defeat U.S. Rep. Curt Weldon.

That much was expected.

But recent FEC reports also raise questions about Weldon’s latest statements regarding the federal probe that has ensnared his daughter and a longtime political associate.

Weldon told reporters Wednesday that an ex-FBI agent heard that Democrat Joseph Sestak’s campaign had inside information about the Justice Department investigation -- and when it would be leaked to the press.

"I’m telling you a retired FBI agent, whom I have named, came to me and said that a (Sestak) campaign worker told him three weeks ago that this was going to happen," he said.

While Weldon identified his source as Gregory Auld, he failed to mention that Auld has been on the campaign’s payroll since May.

Campaign finance reports filed this week show that Weldon Victory Committee has paid Auld & Associates Investigations $25,000 to conduct opposition research.

At Wednesday’s impromptu press conference, Weldon withheld that fact when he said a Sestak supporter had told Auld he knew about the federal investigation before it was made public.

The Republican congressman has asserted that the investigation was timed to coincide with the Nov. 7 election. He said Auld’s discovery, if true, means the Justice Department was coordinating its probe with the Sestak campaign, a claim the campaign has dismissed as "laughable."

"What this indicates is that there were others involved in a political campaign who knew about this, and to me that’s troubling," Weldon said.

Much of Weldon’s story didn’t check out with Auld, who said he had heard through a man at a local gym that another man who frequently wore a Sestak shirt said three weeks ago that "something big was going to come down on Weldon" last weekend.

Auld, of Drexel Hill, said he spoke to the Sestak supporter Tuesday, but "he never said they knew" about the investigation before it hit the newspapers.

Auld acknowledged his firm had a six-month contract with the Weldon campaign that runs through Election Day. He said pursuing the lead at the gym "probably was part of my responsibility" as a paid opposition researcher...

http://www.zwire.com/site....&rfi=15

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Today, in debate with Democrat Joe Sestak, an increasingly hysterical and paranoind Curt Weldon has labeled Democrats as unamerican for pointing out that the FBI is investigating him and his daughter and said the media should not report on him or his Daughter

Quote[/b] ]Weldon labels Democratic flier on daughter 'un-American'

KATHY MATHESON

Associated Press

SPRINGFIELD, Pa. - Republican Rep. Curt Weldon defended his public record and children and called a Democratic campaign flier "un-American" during his first debate since an FBI probe of his activities became public earlier this week.

Weldon and Democratic challenger Joe Sestak met in a one-hour exchange Friday that focused on the economy, job creation and business issues, but sometimes strayed into other territory.

The FBI is investigating whether Weldon used his influence to get daughter Karen Weldon's company nearly $1 million in lobbying contracts with foreign companies.

The lawmaker used his opening statement to blast the media and Democrats.

"No campaign has been worse than this one over the past five days," said Weldon, a 10-term incumbent.

"When the media has a liberal bias and attacks three of your five children, and you have no recourse except to accept their lies, there's something wrong with the system," he said. "Or an opponent uses one of your children in a campaign mailing from the Democratic Congressional Committee, without any recourse for that young lady to defend herself three weeks before an election, that is outrageous and it's un-American."

The FBI investigation was not discussed during the debate, but Sestak later said he was "troubled" by it.

Weldon has said previously that the House Ethics Committee closed an investigation of the allegations. But he would not comment after the debate on whether he would release a letter from the committee stating that...

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That would be the Daughter who started up the firm that is being investigated by the FBI and was involved in an interesting carreer...

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...U.S. Rep. Curt Weldon's daughter, Karen, and the congressman's longtime ally, Delaware County GOP powerhouse Charles P. Sexton Jr., were hired to do public relations work by two Russian firms and by people the congressman has helped.

They started a PR firm in 2002 called Solutions North America, the Los Angeles Times first reported.

It is now known as Solutions Worldwide Inc.

In 2002, Karen Weldon and Sexton received a $500,000 contract from the Itera Group, a giant Russian natural-gas supplier, while the congressman was lobbying the federal government on behalf of the company. The FBI apparently is investigating that contract.

Itera was controversial because of questions about how it acquired vast natural-gas fields in post-Soviet Russia. The company was trying to expand in the United States, but in March 2002 the federal Trade and Development Agency withdrew a $868,000 grant to the firm.

Weldon later that year praised the company as "a great source" for U.S. energy firms seeking joint ventures. Weldon criticized the trade agency's decision, lobbied presidential adviser Karl Rove, and on Sept. 24 helped arrange a dinner in honor of Itera and its chairman. The PR contract was signed Sept. 30.

A lawyer for Karen Weldon and Sexton told The Inquirer in 2004 that the Russian clients came from a Philadelphia immigration lawyer, John Gallagher, a friend and longtime associate of Curt Weldon's.

A Russian aerospace firm, Saratov Aviation, hired Solutions for $20,000 a month in 2003. During the same period, Weldon was lobbying the Pentagon to consider buying an experimental aircraft that Saratov was developing. Weldon is vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

In March 2003, Solutions was hired for $240,000 on behalf of Dragomir and Bogoljub Karic, alleged to be political intimates of Slobodan Milosevic, the former Serbian leader who died while on trial for war crimes. The Treasury Department had put their names on a list of Serbians banned from doing business in the United States because of their support for Milosevic, and later prevented them from getting visas. Weldon disputed those allegations.

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I guess Weldon was hoping that the media and FBI would not start looking too deep as...

they might start investigating this

http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2006/10/20/61549/329

Overall though I think is all pales compared with the frightening Jeff Gannon story.

Regards Walker