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Quote[/b] ]Top Stories - Los Angeles Times

$350,000 Siphoned From Democrats' Senate Campaign Fund

Fri Nov 12, 7:55 AM ET Top Stories - Los Angeles Times

By Lisa Getter Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee recently discovered that dozens of contribution checks — some for as much as $25,000 — were diverted from its coffers to a private bank account, officials said Thursday.

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The apparent theft from the committee, which raises funds to help elect Democratic senators, totaled about $350,000 and is under investigation by the FBI (news - web sites) and the U.S. attorney's office here. All but $10,000 has been recovered.

As record amounts of money from millions of donors flood the political system, more and more federal candidates and committees have found themselves victimized by campaign embezzlers in the last few years.

Earlier this year, The Times identified 11 federal embezzling cases since 2002, involving more than $1.7 million. In most cases, the money was long gone by the time the theft was discovered.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, however, uncovered the missing money in time to get it back and use it in the November elections, said communications director Brad Woodhouse.

After internal auditors discovered a discrepancy in October, the U.S. Capitol Police identified a local bank account where the checks had been deposited.

The name on the account was DSCampCo, whose initials, DSCC, were the same as the campaign committee's. Most donors who write checks to the committee make them out to the DSCC. The committee raised more than $76 million this election cycle.

The account was set up by someone using the name Roger Chiang, the campaign committee's director of constituency outreach until he was fired in mid-October. Chiang's home address and Social Security (news - web sites) number were on the account, Democratic officials said.

Chiang, who could not be reached for comment Thursday because he was on his honeymoon, maintains that he is the victim of identify theft, said his brother, John, a Los Angeles resident and a member of the California Board of Equalization.

"He strongly believes it's a case of identity theft," John Chiang said. "The signature that authorized the account was clearly not his."

Roger Chiang, 32, whose duties at the campaign committee included fundraising, recently earned a master's degree in business administration. He had previously worked for the Democratic National Committee (news - web sites), and was appointed by President Clinton (news - web sites) in 2000 as an advisor to the secretary for Housing and Urban Development.

John Chiang said his brother was a strong believer in the Democratic Party and would never do anything to harm it. "Roger certainly wouldn't do anything like that," he said.

He also denied that Roger Chiang's firing had anything to do with the missing money — an assertion disputed by Democratic officials.

"It is disappointing that while Democratic senators, candidates, staff and donors were working hard to build a better America in this election, an individual put greed and self-interest ahead of the efforts of so many others," Woodhouse, of the campaign committee, said in a statement

Can you say V A L U E S?

[Akira 0]

Can you say V A L U E S?

Umm...whats that got to do with anything?

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Quote[/b] ]Umm...whats that got to do with anything?  

INTEGRITY...with staffers like this, its no wonder the Democrats lost their election bid.  The DSCC...great organization!

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Yeah thats right, absolutley, the actions of 1 employee of an organisations with thousands of members and employees is totally enough to judge it on.

This person obviously knew what they were doing and probably had little or no interest in politics.

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So...At 7 o Clock teh Director of KVUE came on and said basically they wouldn't be showing Saving Private Ryan. Despite the fact they showed it TWICE before in primetime, she stated that they thought it was inappropriate to show a movie with such violence at a time when children would be watching, completely cutting the PARENTS out of their responsibilities. Thanks KVUE. They stated that they asked ABC if they could show it at 9, but were refused (again...they showed it TWICE before at 7).

So instead they choose to celebrate Veteran's Day not by showing an older movie ut with...

OPRAH.

They are showing fucking Oprah shows.Nothing says "Thanks" to the troops like fucking Oprah.

Fucking morons.

See ya. I'm going to go cue my DVD up.

Yeah I was wondering wth happened to SPR yesteday, man...

Nice way to FORGET the past and ignore the present, why don't people boycott these asswipes.

I have a good name for Rememberance Day, Forgettence Day, and don't you remember it.

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Quote[/b] ]Umm...whats that got to do with anything?

INTEGRITY...with staffers like this, its no wonder the Democrats lost their election bid. The DSCC...great organization!

Huh? What are you talking about? Nothing has been proven either way yet, and certainly not against this man. It just as easily could have been a Republican working at the organization.

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Quote[/b] ]Kerry supporters seek therapy in South Florida

Boca Raton trauma specialist has treated 15 patients

Published Tuesday, November 9, 2004 at 1:00 am

by Sean Salai

More than a dozen traumatized John Kerry supporters have sought and received therapy from a licensed Florida psychologist since their candidate lost to President Bush, the Boca Raton News learned Monday.

Boca Raton trauma specialist Douglas Schooler said he has treated 15 clients and friends with “intense hypnotherapy†since the Democratic nominee conceded last Wednesday.

“I had one friend tell me he’s never been so depressed and angry in his life,†Schooler said. “I observed patients threatening to leave the country or staring listlessly into space. They were emotionally paralyzed, shocked and devastated.â€

Schooler’s disclosure comes after the weekend discovery of a Kerry volunteer’s corpse at Ground Zero in New York City. Georgia resident Andrew Veal, 25, reportedly killed himself with a shotgun blast to the head due to Kerry’s loss and a girlfriend problem.

Some mental health professionals in South Florida said Monday they have already developed a new category for the Kerry-related stress reactions. Because Palm Beach County voted heavily for Kerry, the therapists said, many residents hurt themselves by so anxiously expecting the Massachusetts senator to win – especially those who maintained unrealistic recount hopes after their candidate’s concession.

“We’re calling it ‘post-election selection trauma’ and we’re working to develop a counseling program for it,†said Rob Gordon, the Boca-based executive director of the American Health Association. “It’s like post-traumatic stress syndrome, but it’s a short-term shock rather than a childhood trauma.â€

Gordon, the first American Red Cross psychotherapist sent to Ground Zero after the 9/11 terror attacks, said therapists’ main concern is to prevent the recurrence of Kerry-related suicides like the one in New York City.

“There are definitely people depressed by John Kerry’s loss, and this can easily lead to suicides like the one we saw up in New York this weekend,†Gordon said. “Luckily, it can be treated if people seek help. We’re urging people to call us immediately if they feel depressed or know anyone who is seriously stressed out.â€

Also in Boca, at least one counseling center and an emotional support group were preparing for an influx of Kerry supporters at their first post-election meetings today.

“We’ll let the Kerry voters talk about it and let off some steam, and by listening to other people’s stories, we’ll help them refocus and surrender to the things in their life which they can’t possibly change,†said a spokeswoman for Emotions Anonymous, a recovery group meeting tonight at Glades Presbyterian Church.

“We’re referring people with election-related stress to the Democratic National Committee,†said Karen Jacobs of the Center for Group Counseling. “We’ll do what we can for anyone who shows up for our support group programs this week, but we haven’t implemented a specific program for Kerry-related trauma.â€

Schooler, practicing in Boca since 1984, said he treated his 15 patients last week with hypnosis-based rapid response trauma therapy. This week, he is charging a sliding fee to non-clients who feel they need the one-time “election therapy†session. South Floridians can contact him at 561-395-3033.

“A lot of Kerry voters don’t know what to do with their anger, because there was no recount, so they’ve kept it bottled up,†said Schooler, who also is a certified sex therapist. “I help them transform the anger into more positive emotions.â€

Asked to describe symptoms of the post-election trauma, Schooler said, “They include feelings of extreme anger, despair, hopelessness, powerlessness, a failure to function behaviorally, a sense of disillusionment, of not wanting to vote anymore – that sort of thing. We’re talking about a deep, unhealthy personal suffering that can best be remedied by intensive short-term therapy.â€

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"Post-election selection trauma" now I've heard it all.  I wonder if that will be added to the DSM-IV  I'd love to cover this "disorder" in class.

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Quote[/b] ]Huh? What are you talking about? Nothing has been proven either way yet, and certainly not against this man. It just as easily could have been a Republican working at the organization.

Whoooaaaa hey there, yeah those "evil" Republicans how could I forget

On the other hand...he had been FIRED from the DSCC.

I guess we'll just have to wait for investigation to conclude.

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Quote[/b] ]Survey: Format Influenced Voter Priorities

Fri Nov 12, 8:47 AM ET

By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - This presidential election has been described by many as one in which morality mattered most to voters. But that perception may be driven at least partially by how pollsters asked voters about their priority issues.

Whether voters named "moral values" their key issue partly depended on whether that subject was included in a list of choices provided by pollsters, according to a Pew Research Center analysis released Thursday.

When "moral values" was included in poll questions, it was named more often than any other issue. But when voters were just asked to name the issue most important in their vote for president — without being given a list of answers — moral values trailed the war in Iraq (news - web sites) and the economy, according to the Pew survey.

"The advantage of the open-ended question is it tells you what's at the top of mind for voters — what they're thinking," said Cliff Zukin, a veteran pollster and professor of public policy at Rutgers University. "Much too much has been made of the moral values answer."

Many Christian conservatives have sought to portray the election as validation for their emphasis on morality and the reason for President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election. While it's true voters who picked Bush were more apt to cite morality as the reason, political analyst Thomas Mann said it's too simplistic to say that issue determined the winner.

"It's a big mistake to say it's all a function of religious conservatives being motivated," said Mann, of the Brookings Institution. But, he added, "To say it wasn't a factor is just as foolish."

In exit polls conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International, "moral values" was one of seven items in a question that asked, "Which one issue mattered most in deciding how you voted for president." The other issues were taxes, education, Iraq, terrorism, economy/jobs, and health care.

Twenty-two percent chose "moral values," followed by the economy (20 percent), terrorism (19 percent) and Iraq (15 percent), according to the polls, which surveyed more than 13,600 voters and were conducted for The Associated Press and the major television networks.

The Pew Research Center polled 1,209 voters who said they cast ballots in the 2004 presidential election. When those voters were given a list, "moral values" was the most popular choice at 27 percent, followed by Iraq at 22 percent and the economy at 21 percent.

But when they were asked an open-ended question about the top issue, Iraq and the economy moved past moral values. Iraq was picked by 27 percent, the economy by 14 percent and moral values tied with terrorism at 9 percent.

"Moral values was an element in the Bush formula, but probably not the driving one," said Lee Miringoff, president of the National Council of Public Polls.

The Pew poll found that voters' reasons for picking "moral values" varies. Just over four in 10 of those who picked "moral values" from the list mentioned social issues like gay marriage and abortion, but others talked about qualities like religion, helping the poor, and candidates' honesty and strength of leadership.

"We did not see any indication that social conservative issues like abortion, gay rights and stem cell research were anywhere near as important as the economy and Iraq," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center. "'Moral values' is a phrase that's very attractive to people."

The Pew survey was taken Nov. 5-8 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

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Yeah. It was all about "morals" and "values"

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Quote[/b] ]Ashcroft says judges threaten national security by questioning Bush decisions

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Federal judges are jeopardizing national security by issuing rulings contradictory to President Bush's decisions on America's obligations under international treaties and agreements, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Friday.

In his first remarks since his resignation was announced Tuesday, Ashcroft forcefully denounced what he called "a profoundly disturbing trend" among some judges to interfere in the president's constitutional authority to make decisions during war.

"The danger I see here is that intrusive judicial oversight and second-guessing of presidential determinations in these critical areas can put at risk the very security of our nation in a time of war," Ashcroft said in a speech to the Federalist Society, a conservative lawyers' group.

The Justice Department announced this week it would seek to overturn a ruling by U.S. District Judge James Robertson in the case of Salim Ahmed Hamdan, who the government contends was Osama bin Laden's driver.

Robertson halted Hamdan's trial by military commission in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, rejecting the Bush administration's position that the Geneva Conventions governing prisoners of war do not apply to al-Qaida members because they are not soldiers of a true state and do not fight by international norms.

Without mentioning that case specifically, Ashcroft criticized rulings he said found "expansive private rights in treaties where they never existed" that run counter to the broad discretionary powers given the president by the Constitution.

"Courts are not equipped to execute the law. They are not accountable to the people," Ashcroft said.

During his successful re-election campaign, Bush repeatedly promised to appoint judges who would adhere to strict interpretations of the Constitution. In addition to numerous lower courts, Bush is likely to appoint at least one and perhaps several justices to the Supreme Court during the next four years.

The administration lost a crucial legal battle this year when a divided Supreme Court determined the president lacks the authority to hold terror suspects classified as enemy combatants indefinitely with no access to lawyers or the ability to challenge their detention.

Ashcroft intends to remain as attorney general until his nominated successor, Alberto Gonzales, is confirmed by the Senate.

Stupid courts and their checks and balances! Everyone should just do as Bush says!

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Hi all

The TV stations are afraid of the God Squaders that are now in power.

As you sow so shall you reap.

Kind Regards Walker

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Quote[/b] ]Hi all

The TV stations are afraid of the God Squaders that are now in power.

As you sow so shall you reap.

Kind Regards Walker

LOL! Saving Private Ryan has always been played unedited for the last couple of years under TBA. My ABC channel is WJLA 7 and they cover Washington D.C. and the movie was played unedited this year. FYI, FCC building is in D.C.

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Got to love/hate the systematic paranoid bias here.

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Federal judges are jeopardizing national security by issuing rulings contradictory to President Bush's decisions on America's obligations under international treaties and agreements, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Friday.

Ok, so we're back on a seperation of powers arguement, the president's case is that administrative actions against armed combative agents of foriegn organizations are to be handled by the excutive branch in implementing and enforcing international treaty.

The middle courts are interfereing seeking to attach Federal law to international issues and administrative actions. This makes as much sense as does the Federal Court in NY finding Bin Laden fiscally liable, or the Belgian (not ICC) national courts attempting to try any foriegner on warcrimes regardless of whether the state or a citizen are party to the suit.

Amendment 11 to the Constitution clearly states

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The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against on of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foriegn State."

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In his first remarks since his resignation was announced Tuesday, Ashcroft forcefully denounced what he called "a profoundly disturbing trend" among some judges to interfere in the president's constitutional authority to make decisions during war.

Ashcroft's not even talking about the decisions, he's talking about the decision-making authority invested in the Executive branch and in the role of Commander-in-Chief. Either he gets to make decisions or not, but if every jot and tittle is brought in for review, the publicity and delays alone can turn the who tides of war.

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"The danger I see here is that intrusive judicial oversight and second-guessing of presidential determinations in these critical areas can put at risk the very security of our nation in a time of war," Ashcroft said in a speech to the Federalist Society, a conservative lawyers' group.

First off, this was not an official AG's office press suckup-a-thon, it was a private gathering where citizen John Ashcroft was invited to speak.

Secondly, he qualified his remarks by pointing to 'intrusive' oversight. Not all oversight is intrusive, much is needful and essential. Where he wishes to draw the line though is with activist judges who attempt to create executive policy from the judicial bench, and who for political purposes attempt to stonewall otherwise normal operations.

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The Justice Department announced this week it would seek to overturn a ruling by U.S. District Judge James Robertson in the case of Salim Ahmed Hamdan, who the government contends was Osama bin Laden's driver.

If you lose a case or otherwise disagree with the outcome, you of course have the right to appeal. The courts do not have the obligation to hear the case however. Anything less than this would be grounds for Ashcroft's dismissal for incompetance.

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Robertson halted Hamdan's trial by military commission in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, rejecting the Bush administration's position that the Geneva Conventions governing prisoners of war do not apply to al-Qaida members because they are not soldiers of a true state and do not fight by international norms.

This is an interesting area that I don't think has sufficent legal history. Are we at war with Afghanistan? No. Are we at war with Saudi Arabia? No. Are they at war with us? Depends how much you listen to the mullahs, but politically, no. So you have rogue individuals from many nations as members of military organizations in conspiring to cause murder and destruction and armed attacks on the armed forces of the United States, but not at the official behest of another state.

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Without mentioning that case specifically, Ashcroft criticized rulings he said found "expansive private rights in treaties where they never existed" that run counter to the broad discretionary powers given the president by the Constitution.

These powers he refers to only trigger during wartime and are incident to the office of Commander-in-Chief. If you bind and gag the generals, who is going to direct the fighting?

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"Courts are not equipped to execute the law. They are not accountable to the people," Ashcroft said.

The role of the Legislative branch is to create laws, not execute or arbitrate them The executive can petition the other two branches, but it's authority is limited to the administrative implementation of the powers granted by the constitution and confirmed - not created - by the judiciary. The Judicial branch reviews and adjudicates, but it does not create or impose law. If the courts issue a ruling, it is still up to the excutive branch to implment it by the means established in the legislative.

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During his successful re-election campaign, Bush repeatedly promised to appoint judges who would adhere to strict interpretations of the Constitution. In addition to numerous lower courts, Bush is likely to appoint at least one and perhaps several justices to the Supreme Court during the next four years.

That's nice, of course both sides want to pack the bench, at least the President is being honest about it.

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The administration lost a crucial legal battle this year when a divided Supreme Court determined the president lacks the authority to hold terror suspects classified as enemy combatants indefinitely with no access to lawyers or the ability to challenge their detention.

Divided... = 5-4 = partisan politics. Divided is a media buzzword for "old cranks won't go along for the ride".

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Ashcroft intends to remain as attorney general until his nominated successor, Alberto Gonzales, is confirmed by the Senate.

Well that might just encourage the democrats to reconsider their stonewalling then, how bad do they want filibuster vs. Ashcroft?

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Quote[/b] ]Hi all

The TV stations are afraid of the God Squaders that are now in power.

As you sow so shall you reap.

Kind Regards Walker

No they are not. It was just a few stations not airing it. The gist of their protest is " Either you let us show tits and say fuck or no Saving Private Ryan.". Every one knows for a fact that the FCC wouldn't have fined any one for Showing Saving Private Ryan.

In case you didn't know Walker SPR was shown on the majority of ABC affiliates across the nation last night, no fines were levied. As a matter of fact ABC has shown SPR two times in the past two years all ready with out fines.

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Quote[/b] ]Clinton offers words of wisdom to fellow Democrats

From the "Wolf Blitzer Reports" staff

Wednesday, November 10, 2004 Posted: 4:31 PM EST (2131 GMT)

Former President Bill Clinton answers a question from the audience after speaking at Hamilton College in Clinton, New York on Tuesday.

 

 

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Bill Clinton jokes that since he's not the president anymore, nobody listens to him.

"I can't run for anything," Clinton said Tuesday. "The good news is I can say whatever I think."

But since he's the only Democrat who's been elected president in the past quarter century, many Democrats are willing to listen when Clinton talks about how to win.

Speaking at Hamilton College in upstate New York, Clinton congratulated President Bush and the Republicans on what he called a brilliant campaign.

He said many voters decided against changing leaders in the midst of terrorism threats and the war in Iraq, but there were other factors too.

"There was an astonishing turnout among evangelical Christians who said they were voting on the basis of moral values," Clinton said.

Clinton said no party has a monopoly on morality or truth, but Democrats have to make that clear to the voters.

"I do not believe that the Democrats cannot seek to be a truly national party. They may win some more national elections but we cannot be nationally competitive unless we feel comfortable talking about our convictions," said the former president.

Clinton said that during his eight years in office, he protected abortion rights but also worked to promote alternatives to abortion.

He also signed the Defense of Marriage Act, which stopped short of amending the Constitution, but preserved the right of every state to make its own decision on same sex marriage.

"I think the current divisions are partly the fault of me ... of the people in my party for not engaging the Christian evangelical community in a serious discussion of what it would take to promote a real culture of life and what the best strategy for reducing abortions is, or an open discussion of where we are on the issue of gays in America," said Clinton.

But in the wake of John Kerry's defeat, Clinton also had words of reassurance for his fellow Democrats:

"I'm old enough now and I've run enough times and I've governed enough, succeeded enough and failed enough to know there is a limit to how much any election can repeal the underlying tides of history."

Democrats should listen to this man and as I have said before, move their party to the middle where most of America is .  Drop the radical left, they will just guarantee further defeats.

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Hi all

George Bush Junior and TBA's colective ass is now owned by the evangelical vote.

They have have to feed the monster so no Saving Private Ryan, Will and Grace will be next. Then MTV.

The Charmed Ones and Buffy the Vampire Slayer have allready been slated because they promote wiccan and lesbians.

The religous right have already attempted to ban Buffy episodes:

Quote[/b] ]The complaints filed by the Parent Television Council and Americans for Decency were dismissed in a 5-0 vote because the commission found the shows didn't violate its indecency regulations. Both shows were aired in primetime.

The PTC, one of the more active groups on the indecency front run by L. Brent Bozell, complained to the commission about an episode of Buffy that aired April 22, 2003, on WDCA, a UPN affiliate in Washington. In the episode, the characters Spike and Buffy fight before having sex, according to the order.

http://www.unknownnews.net/040813buffy.html

[edit sorry didnt realise last link requires registration so changed to this one]

In Texas science is denied where biologist are told to teach Dawinism as theory when every qualified biologist knows it is fact.

The list of stuff the evangelical right want to ban is endless. It is the nature of fundaligionism. The fundaligionist right in Algeria eventualy baned even their brothers and sisters because they did not beleive in their own narrow interpretation of the word. That is the nature fundaligionism. It is the myopia of knowing what is right bound up in the moral stance and activated in politics and terrorism.

The fundaligionist want to censor our very minds telling us what we may see, hear and say.

Already they will be choosing the US supreme court and Wade V Rowe will first on the list along with stem cell research and gene therapy. Their terrosists bomb hospitals and kill doctors and nurses when they cannot get their own way. They vilify them prefering the days the back street abotionist.

Life is composed of multiple perspectives and shades of right and wrong but fundaligionist cannot accept this as they have a book and their interpretation of it is the right one. As America continues to slip in to this dark night of the soul I fear for the world.

But there are things that will prevail against the evil right, hope, freedom and democracy will win; there will be another day, there will be another day, there will be another day.

Kind Regards Walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

If you want a handle on the loons who are now running the White House and successfully banned Saving Private Ryan this year. Here are a few a links.

Quote[/b] ]Was it appropriate to show uncut "Saving Private Ryan?" We say no.

"Saving Private Ryan" a brief list of its profanity:

at least 20 "f" words, 12 "s" words, 8 "a" words, 12 uses of G-damn, 3 of "Jesus", etc.

http://www.americandecency.org/

http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/letters/2002archives3.asp

http://www.americansfordecency.com/

As you sow so shall you reap.

Kind Regards Walker

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what is the argument for banning a film with bad "words" in it on tv?

[walker 0]

what is the argument for banning a film with bad "words" in it on tv?

Hi arkengel

Fundaligionists say it is wrong to say bad words, so it must be.

Because they have there book and they know what it says, and now they are in power, they are just the same as Mao and his little red book, the fact is the funadaligionist act just the same as the bolshevics. They are the communist wing of the republican party, waiving there little book in peoples faces and saying we know what is right because it is written in this book.

When they were only expousing their view they were a harmless little religous sect.

Given political power they become like the Ayatollahs of Iran or the Mulas of the Taliban.

Given the will to commit violence because they cannot get their own way in a civil society; the bombing of hospitals and murder of nurses and doctors and of course Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, they become just like Al Qaida.

Given access to the courts they will bring in their religous law, it will start with bans on gay mariage and the banning of abotions for any reason; what do they become?

Quote[/b] ]First they came for the Jews

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left

to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

As you sow so shall you reap.

Kind Regards Walker

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Quote[/b] ]what is the argument for banning a film with bad "words" in it on tv?

There is little to no religion-based argument, except against using "Goddamn" or "Jesus" as curses. Many of the rest of the complaints, odd as walker may find it, aren't based on bible-thumping. They're based on a belief that exposing young children to excessive amounts of stuff of the adult world is not good for children.

Quote[/b] ]Given the will to commit violence because they cannot get their own way in a civil society; the bombing of hospitals and murder of nurses and doctors and of course Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, they become just like Al Qaida.

Oh, please. Any time that some nut actually does something violent against abortion, he gets roundly condemned by virtually every religious sect in America. You shouldn't be comparing it to Al Qaida's actions, because they got open celebrations in the streets after 9/11, and all that an abortion-clinic bomber gets is universal condemnation from pretty much every religious person in America.

And McVeigh was a violent anarchist who blew up a government-related building, not a religious nut who blew up an abortion clinic. Also, I would think the fact that he was executed would show that his actions weren't approved of...

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Quote[/b] ]Hi all

If you want a handle on the loons who are now running the White House and successfully banned Saving Private Ryan this year. Here are a few a links.

My god, Walker! Seriously, you are not me. How many times that people have to say SAVING PRIVATE RYAN WAS NOT BANNED BY TBA OR THE "LOONS" BUT IT WAS THE LOCAL NETWORKS THAT DID IT AND MAJORITY OF THEM SHOWED THE MOVIE UNEDITED ANYWAY.

Quote[/b] ]The Charmed Ones and Buffy the Vampire Slayer have allready been slated because they promote wiccan and lesbians.

hmm....Buffy the Vampire Slayer was cancelled a few years ago because of RATINGS. BTW, Charmed blows and is alive because of its ratings and their famous director or something...why they have to cancel Angel but not this pos...

Walker are you trying to turn this in to a Red Scare part III...  

Quote[/b] ]And McVeigh was a violent anarchist who blew up a government-related building, not a religious nut who blew up an abortion clinic. Also, I would think the fact that he was executed would show that his actions weren't approved of...

You forgot racist...

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Quote[/b] ]In Texas science is denied where biologist are told to teach Dawinism as theory when every qualified biologist knows it is fact.

Sorry i disagree there are a lot of HOLES in that theory if you havent noticed them yourself , i would still keep it as theory not a FACT especially the way the majority of the scientific community puts it across.

They are doing the right thing but under what motives? now thats questionable , i am basing my say on scientific facts.

Quote[/b] ]They're based on a belief that exposing young children to excessive amounts of stuff of the adult world is not good for children.

If they 'care' SOOOO much about the children and the whole morality behind this issue then why allow your film industry to make them? Might as well catch them at the source? I find this very hypocrite. You have a society where 8-10 yr olds get hold of porn and watch it without their mummy daddys consent yet they ban movies just for abusive words?

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Quote[/b] ]Cheney, Short of Breath, Heads to Hospital

1 minute ago White House - AP

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites), who has a history of heart trouble, was being taken to a hospital on Saturday for tests after experiencing some shortness of breath, a White House spokesman said.

"On the recommendation of his doctors, the vice president is going to George Washington University Hospital for some tests," spokesman Ken Lisaius said. "He experienced some shortness of breath Saturday morning and has had a bad cold, which could be the cause for the shortness of breath."

President Bush (news - web sites) was notified, Lisaius said.

Cheney's cardiologist, Dr. Jonathan Reiner, was to oversee the tests.

The 63-year-old Cheney has had four heart attacks, although none as vice president. He kept up a heavy travel schedule during Bush's re-election campaign, often traveling with his wife, Lynne Cheney.

Lisaius said Cheney is taking every precaution "as anyone with history should do" and is having himself checked out. It was unclear whether Cheney would be admitted to the hospital, or would be there only for tests.

In June 2001, he had a pacemaker implanted in his chest. At his annual heart checkup on May 11, doctors determined that the pacemaker, called an implantable cardioverter defibrillator, was working fine and never had had to assist his heart.

The device is designed to activate automatically if needed to regulate the patient's heartbeat.

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Quote[/b] ]If you want a handle on the loons who are now running the White House and successfully banned Saving Private Ryan this year.

   Any credibility you had left flew out the window with that comment. The white house, the FCC, and the evil religious horde had nothing to do with Saving Private Ryan not being aired in a few areas.  A few local networks around the country refused to show it as protest against being fined for the Janet Jackson, and Bono incidents this year.

  Well just one more time for the record...

ABC has aired Saving private Ryan twice over the past two years with out fines. The decision to not air SPR was decided as protest against the FCC by a few ABC affiliates around the nation. Case closed.  

     I swear Walker, the only voice you hear is your own and you know only what you hear.

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Quote[/b] ]Cheney, Short of Breath, Heads to Hospital

1 minute ago White House - AP

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites), who has a history of heart trouble, was being taken to a hospital on Saturday for tests after experiencing some shortness of breath, a White House spokesman said.

"On the recommendation of his doctors, the vice president is going to George Washington University Hospital for some tests," spokesman Ken Lisaius said. "He experienced some shortness of breath Saturday morning and has had a bad cold, which could be the cause for the shortness of breath."

President Bush (news - web sites) was notified, Lisaius said.

Cheney's cardiologist, Dr. Jonathan Reiner, was to oversee the tests.

The 63-year-old Cheney has had four heart attacks, although none as vice president. He kept up a heavy travel schedule during Bush's re-election campaign, often traveling with his wife, Lynne Cheney.

Lisaius said Cheney is taking every precaution "as anyone with history should do" and is having himself checked out. It was unclear whether Cheney would be admitted to the hospital, or would be there only for tests.

In June 2001, he had a pacemaker implanted in his chest. At his annual heart checkup on May 11, doctors determined that the pacemaker, called an implantable cardioverter defibrillator, was working fine and never had had to assist his heart.

The device is designed to activate automatically if needed to regulate the patient's heartbeat.

Wonder if Bush let everyone know that he is in charge while Cheney is gone.