Run and jump?

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Last week I refered to a german magazine checking for the most realistic war-simulation... well the discussion has turned into a different direction. I complained that other games often exaggerate the physical potential of soldiers. I said that jumping with compat gear is very difficult (combat gear approx 1/3 of bodyweight). What do you people think? Some of you guys with experience. What do you believe those soldiers on patrol in Iraq are carrying? I found a very interesting site on the issue and it said something like 25kg for the most important equipment only.

Is Operation Flashpoint realistic with zero to no jumping capabilities or are other games considerably better?

the link to an interesting site

Soldiers and load

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[Gordy 0]

I think the only way they can jump is when the step on the mine. Other then that, it would look like jumping of an oversized sea seal.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I think the only way they can jump is when the step on the mine. Other then that, it would look like jumping of an oversized sea seal.

Soldier's supportive jump equipment (also called landmine)

[Balschoiw 0]

Depends on how much equipment you have with you.

With a patrol loadout jumps are possible in a limited way.

But risk of injury is pretty high.

Jumping with full combat loadout is almost impossible.

Noone would do it anyway...it´s not just the weight, but weapons tend to slam into your face, the rucksack pulls you somewhere where you don´t want to go, and not to forget the physical limitations of your feet and back.

If you are out with light raid gear you can jump, but only small jumps.

Jumping over obstacles, trenches or height jumps are not possible with full gear.

You can try it yourself...fill two buckets with water and try to jump with them. You´ll see that your abilities are very much limited by the additional weight.

Now imagine full combat gear with bulletproof vest, ammo and rations and eventually heavy weapons and you´ll see that you will better not jump if you are concerned about your health. A weight of 40 - 50 kilos of equipment is not rare and therefore jumps are impossible.

[raedor 8]

A weight of 40 - 50 kilos of equipment is not rare and therefore jumps are impossible.

in combat/a battle, too?

[Gordy 0]

Don't forget the steel plate on the chest and back, which weights what?

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Usually in combat the rule is that you should carry no more than 1/3 of your bodyweight. So if you dont want to go naked and decide to carry helmet, vest and gun then you will only have space enough for about 320 rounds. this is the obligatory load to keep you alive during 3x10 minutes firefight!

[EiZei 0]

What about firing a HE RPG round at your feet or detonating explosives below you?

[Assault (CAN) 1]

Balschoiw hit the nail on the head, so I won't add much.

I was away working with the army all summer and I had some spare time, so I weighed myself with my most basic battle load-out on. Alone I weigh 180 pounds. With my helmet, webbing, boots, water (1L canteen and 2L camelback), rifle (C7A1), ammo (5 mags), and a single ration, my weight topped out at 217 pounds. That's just with the most basic loadout for a rifleman. That doesn't include extra ammo for support weapons or my rifle, grenades, body armour, and body armour plates which I believe are roughly 10 pounds a piece (3 or 4 Kg?). And when you have a 40 to 50 pound ruck sack to top it all off, things can get really heavy.

There is no such thing as 'light' infantry.

Tyler

[raedor 8]

it's great to be informed by real soldiers

thx.

[blackdog~ 0]

Ok, so you're loaded down with Kevlar armor, your 20 pound gun, all your ammo, your water, layers of uniform, your helmet, and the list goes on and on. Plus, it's a million degrees outside.

Would you be jumping around?

[denoir 0]

Of course you can jump, but it's nothing you want to do when carrying a load of 30 kg on your back. As for running - sure. During basic training we did 10 km runs each day with a full backpack. Average time was around 45 minutes.

Running isnt's so bad though. We had Berghaus Vulcan backpacks which provide excellent support and balance.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Okay...jump jump jump ... a little higher..jump

[red oct 2]

why not instead of jumping around in military games like OFP, they have it set so that you can climb over things like fenses, walls, and wreckage instead of trying to jump over them? i don't know too many people who could jump over a 8 ft fense/wall when they aren't even carrying over a 100 pounds of stuff on their back. so a soldier will try and climb over it instead, than if a soldier is carrying too much stuff, one of the others could help him over. although i suppose there could be a exception to leaping, you know, your running and theres a trench or ditch so rather than fall into it, you could leap over across it. or if your on top of a building and want to get to the neighboring one, you could just leap over to the other side rather than having to climb down the steps and climb back up to the roof on the bext building when they are only like 4 feet apart.

[shadow 6]

I think H&D2 got it just about right. You can jump over landmines, but that's about it.

I voted Run & Jump in combat gear is very much possible simply because it is "possible", but like Denoir and Bals pointed out, it all depends on how much weight you're carrying and what you're wearing (bodyarmour, flackjackets etc)

[Gordy 0]

I think H&D2 got it just about right. You can jump over landmines, but that's about it.

I voted Run & Jump in combat gear is very much possible simply because it is "possible", but like Denoir and Bals pointed out, it all depends on how much weight you're carrying and what you're wearing (bodyarmour, flackjackets etc)

Shadow,

It is also possible that Queen Elizabeth can run hurdles. Question is, what for?

It is very much exaggerated in games. It looks like hunting kangaroos. Jumping is useful for going over a ditch or a dead body (if you don't wanna step on it).

I just can't imaging a soldier, even this "light" one jumping around like flea.

In reality, you don't jump over a box, just go over it.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Now the author of this silly gamemag is telling in their forum that he ran 30km with 30kg in 180 minutes. Sounds a bit utopic or doesnt it?

[llauma 0]

Just look at the Marathon runners.. 20% of them wont finish the race and they are the top athlets of the world with not more than 1kg of extra weight.

By the way.. I have run 10km hurdles with 50kg backpack while having a broken leg in less than 45 minutes..

Conclusion: It's all just BS

Edit: Albert.. The olympics in Peking is in 2008

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

holy I must have messed that up with 2006 .... damn.. dont work and play!

[ran 0]

By the way.. I have run 10km hurdles with 50kg backpack while having a broken leg in less than 45 minutes..

wow

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Conclusion: It's all just BS

more than likely hehehehe or maybe he was thinking about long minutes ... I don't know, 120 or 180 seconds long minutes ? who knows

30km with combat load in less than 3 hours ? I don't run at 10km/h on combat marches especially with a 30kg load

Isn't this person named Clark Kent or Bruce Banner

[4 IN 1 0]

Just look at the Marathon runners.. 20% of them wont finish the race and they are the top athlets of the world with not more than 1kg of extra weight.

By the way.. I have run 10km hurdles with 50kg backpack while having a broken leg in less than 45 minutes..

Conclusion: It's all just BS

Edit: Albert.. The olympics in Peking is in 2008

of cause you can ran 30km with 30kg in 180 minutes into the combat area, only after that you wouldnt be able to fight.

this hold idea of jumping with full gear loadout is just a BS, why would you trying to jump just a few inchs above the ground just for breaking both of your legs?

btw, stop using "Peking", its a city not a duck, a bit too out of date, use Bijing instead.

[Balschoiw 0]

time to think about alternative methods to bring soldiers into combat...

"T80 ahead....shoot me up !"

[bn880 5]

By the way.. I have run 10km hurdles with 50kg backpack while having a broken leg in less than 45 minutes..

wow

Holy shit...

[4 IN 1 0]

in fact it is not a good idea to run so fast in full combat loads too, learn how to control speed is the key(i think thats what they try to teach you)

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Actually I am not quite sure anymore. But I think Blackhawk down gave us a good impression on how the modern soldier is on foot.

Maybe jumps are possible but the question remains... what does this option give you in a game. Is it a useful addition, is there any strategical significance to jumping?