The Iraq thread 4

[xawery 0]

It's understandable that there are far more interesting things than the war in Iraq going on right now, but let's not forget this topic. In 2004, we all voiced our outrage at the Abu Ghraib torture in this thread. A recent report by the Human Rights Watch shows that not only did the torture continue after the Abu Ghraib scandal, but it was also routine, sanctioned by the higher levels of the chain of command. A few 'bad apples'? Doesn't sound that way.

Quote[/b] ] Iraq prisoner abuse 'was routine'

The torture of prisoners in US custody in Iraq was authorised and routine even after the Abu Ghraib scandal came to light, a US-based rights group says.

Soldiers' accounts show that detainees routinely faced severe beatings, sleep deprivation and other abuses for much of 2003-2005, Human Rights Watch says.

Soldiers who tried to complain about the abuse were rebuffed or ignored.

But a Pentagon spokesman said 12 reviews had found there was no policy condoning or encouraging abuse.

"The standard of treatment is and always has been humane treatment of detainees in [Department of Defence] custody," Lt Col Mark Ballesteros told Reuters news agency.

John Sifton, author of the Human Rights Watch (HRW) report, said the accounts given to the group by former US soldiers revealed the opposite.

"These accounts rebut US government claims that torture and abuse in Iraq was unauthorised and exceptional - on the contrary, it was condoned and commonly used," he said.

Photos showing US soldiers abusing and sexually humiliating Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad in 2004 shocked the world.

Eleven US soldiers have now been convicted in connection with the abuse. No senior officers have so far been convicted.

Stress positions

The HRW report gives first-hand accounts of abuses at a detention centre at Baghdad airport called Camp Nama, as well as a facility near Mosul airport and a base near al-Qaim on the Syrian border.

An interrogator posted at Mosul in 2004 told HRW that he and his fellow interrogators had been told by the officer in charge of their unit to use abuse techniques on some detainees.

He described how they used dogs to intimidate the detainees, had them walking on their knees in the gravel and standing for extended periods with arms outstretched holding water bottles.

An interrogator at Camp Nama said the use of abuse techniques was commonplace - authorisation forms could be easily prepared for commanding officers to sign.

"I never saw a sheet that wasn't signed," the soldier said.

HRW gives accounts of instances where soldiers who were concerned by the abuses were thwarted from reporting it.

One military police guard at the facility near Qaim, who took his concerns to an officer, was reportedly told: "You need to go ahead and drop this, sergeant."

Geneva Conventions

HRW says its findings show that criminal investigations of abuses need to follow the military chain of command, rather than focusing on lower-ranked soldiers.

The New York-based organisation calls on the US Congress to appoint an independent commission to investigate the extent of the problem, and urges US President George W Bush to appoint an independent prosecutor to investigate and prosecute perpetrators of the abuse.

"It is now clear that leaders were responsible for abuses in Iraq," Mr Sifton said. "It's time for them to be held accountable".

The Bush administration has faced intense and sustained international criticism for its treatment of prisoners - in Iraq, Afghanistan and at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

Earlier this month, the White House announced that all US military detainees would be treated in line with the minimum standards of the Geneva Conventions.

The shift in policy came almost two weeks after the US Supreme Court ruled that the conventions applied to detainees.

The Geneva Conventions, which were passed in the wake of World War II, are meant to guarantee minimum standards of protection for non-combatants and former combatants in war.

ABU GHRAIB CONVICTIONS

May 04: Spc Jeremy Sivits - 1 year jail, bad conduct discharge

Sept 04: Spc Armin Cruz - 8 months jail, bad conduct discharge

Oct 04: Sgt Ivan Frederick - 8 years jail, dishonourable discharge

Oct 04: Spc Megan Ambuhl - fine, other than honourable discharge

Jan 05: Spc Charles Graner - 10 years jail, dishonourable discharge

Feb 05: Spc Roman Krol - 10 months jail, bad conduct discharge

Feb 05: Sgt Javal Davis - 6 months jail, bad conduct discharge

Sept 05: Pte Lynndie England - 3 years jail, dishonourable discharge

May 05: Spc Sabrina Harman - 180 days jail, bad conduct discharge

Mar 06: Sgt Michael Smith - 179 days jail, bad conduct discharge

Jun 06: Sgt Santos Cardona - 90 days labour, $7,200 fine

Story from BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/5206908.stm

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

I don't know what all of you coalitioners are so much worrying about...

But consider this STRONGLY EXAGGERATED POSSIBILITY...

(edit: that means, don't take it too seriously, but if it should happen, well, don't say I didn't warn you...)

If all goes "according to plan" , Israel will first occupy Lebanon, then invade Syria, and on their way to Iran they most unfortunately will have to rumble through Iraq... if the landscape of south Lebanon is any indication, the scale of destruction that the IDF will sweep before it will put everything else in the shadows... maybe then, when there's nothing left in Iraq, will the coalition forces finally be able to leave (if they won't be put on guard duty around all sorts of infrastructure concerning the oil). I don't know if they'll be safe though, because if Iran in the mean time acquires through whatever means a couple of atomic weapons... I don't figure them to be hesitant in any way of using them, catching US and UK troops as a bonus I guess...

[walker 0]

Hi all

The latest report from the Petagon puts a grim lie to all George Bush Junior's posturing about winning in Iraq. It now apears that our strategic goal is to prevent the Civil war TBA and George Bush Juniors NeoConMen cronies sowed

George Bush Junior and TBA spent the last week bashing the media for not following the NeoConMen's comical Ali like spin on Iraq. Even spending millions of US tax payers money on fake news in Iraq stories (The contract is up for renual this month)

It appears the NeoConMens's attempt to con the American public with a 20 million dollar upbeat "Everything is rosy, all is well, tra la la" message has not washed with the Pentagon and the officers and soldiers on the ground.

I await with interest the NeoConMens usual tactics of crucfy the messenger being applied to the US Generals who presented this report.

Quote[/b] ]Pentagon Cites Spike In Violence in Iraq

Averting Civil War Called Main Goal

By Ann Scott Tyson

Washington Post Staff Writer

Saturday, September 2, 2006; Page A01

Rising sectarian bloodshed has pushed violence in Iraq to its highest level in more than two years, and preventing civil war is now the most urgent mission of the growing contingent of 140,000 U.S. troops in the country, according to a new Pentagon report released yesterday.

Executions, kidnappings and other sectarian attacks targeting Iraqi civilians have soared over the past three months, contributing to a 51 percent rise in casualties among the population and Iraqi security forces, the report said. More than 3,000 Iraqis are killed or wounded each month, and by July, 2,000 of the casualties were the result of sectarian incidents, it showed.

The Pentagon report, though consistent with what news media have reported for months, is significant because it represents an official acknowledgment of trends that are widely believed to be driving the country toward full-scale civil war.

"It's a pretty sober report this time," said Peter Rodman, assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs. "The last quarter . . . it's been rough, and the levels of violence are up, and the sectarian quality of the violence is particularly acute and disturbing," he said at a news briefing.

"This is reality catching up with Rumsfeld and the Pentagon," said Michael O'Hanlon, a military analyst at the Brookings Institution.

In a grim revelation, the report cited the Baghdad coroner's office stating that it received 1,600 bodies in June and more than 1,800 in July, of which 90 percent were assessed to be the result of executions.

Moreover, the report said, the revenge killings perpetrated by Sunni and Shiite death squads are spreading outside the Iraqi capital into the far reaches of the country, from Basra in the south to Mosul and Kirkuk in the north. Iran and Syria are actively supporting forces fueling the unrest among religious factions, it said.

"Sustained ethno-sectarian violence is the greatest threat to security and stability in Iraq," the report said. "Conditions that could lead to civil war exist in Iraq," it said, while maintaining that civil war can still be prevented. "Coalition forces and the ISF [iraqi Security Forces] are responding by increased targeting of both Sunni and Shi'a death squads." ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....10.html Follow link for the full story

In a seen reminiscent of the Playboy girls turning up in the film "Apocolypse Now" the dance troop Purrfect Angelz turned up to raise troop morale.http://www.nytimes.com/2006....=slogin Read for your self

The echoes of the last dieing days of Vietnam are unmistakeable.

Sadly Walker

[Nemesis6 0]

I have this mental picture of you having like an extra row of keys on your keyboard, arranged in the following order -

N E O C O N M E N

[walker 0]

In the case of the Iraq war it is now obvious to even the least sensible human and NeoConMan denyer that TBA and TBA2 Lied and Lied and Lied again in order to drag the coalition into war.

AND WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT IF IT WEREN'T FOR YOU MEDDLING KIDS!! OFF TO THE CON-MOBILE, MY NEO-FRIENDS! YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE LAST OF US! WE WILL RETURN!

I have this mental picture of you having like an extra row of keys on your keyboard, arranged in the following order -

N E O C O N M E N

Hi all

@Nemesis6 Glad to see you agree that the NeoConMen are the culprits in causing the Iraq war but you realy need to loose your tinfoil hat Microsoft has not got a plan to change all the computer keyboards in the world.

Anyway away from your childish fantasies I think the cold hard facts and figures will sober you up.

Quote[/b] ]Iraq violence: Facts and figures

Gathering reliable data on the current bloodshed in Iraq is difficult, but the available figures help build up a picture of the complex mixture of insurgent attacks and sectarian killings.

CASUALTIES

Death tolls - both military and civilian - since the fall of Saddam Hussein have far outstripped those during the initial period of US-led military action.

Numbers of civilian casualties are highly controversial and not recorded by the US or UK military.

Iraqi civilians: 42,358

Iraqi security forces*: 5,182

US military: 2,596

UK military: 115

Other coalition military: 115

Journalists: 77

*Since June 2003

Sources: Iraq Body Count (baseline estimate of civilian deaths), Brookings Institution Iraq war dead figures

INSURGENT ATTACKS

Insurgent attacks have become part of daily life in some sections of Iraq since the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003. The last few months have exceeded the peaks of violence ahead of national elections in January 2005 and the referendum on the constitution in October 2005

Although about 80% of insurgent attacks are targeted against coalition forces, the Iraqi population suffers about 80% of all casualties, according to US officials in late 2005. ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5052138.stmFollow the link for the full story

More worrying is that as I have pointed out the fly paper analogy based policy is having exactly the oposite effect of what it was suposed to do. Rather than acting as a place to bring Al Qiada sympathisers in for the coalition to kill them, thus reducing the number of our enemies; it is acting as a breading and training ground for them.

Quote[/b] ]...INSURGENT NUMBERS

Estimates of the size of the insurgency vary considerably, partly due to varying definitions of the term "insurgent".

According to figures collated by Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, from autumn 2003 US officials put the total number of insurgents at 5,000, until late 2004 when they raised their estimates to between 12,000 and 16,000.

By 2006, US military estimates ranged from 8,000 to 20,000, although Iraqi intelligence officials have issued figures as high as 40,000 fighters, plus another 160,000 supporters.

The majority of insurgents are thought to be Iraqi and Sunni. The proportion of foreign fighters in the insurgency is widely considered to be less than 10%, although the US military said in May 2006 that 90% of suicide bombers used by Iraq's former al-Qaeda leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, were from outside Iraq...

ibid

It is also acting as breading ground for Shia and Kurdish terrorists witness the recent attacks on Turkey and the the increasingly actions of the Shia militias. Clearly with the attacks on Turkey the fly paper is not sticky.

These groups are being trained in the increasingly sectarian war developing in Iraq that even the pentagon has now admited has become the strategic objective of the the coalition forces to prevent. The figures point out just how bad the situation is.

Quote[/b] ]SECTARIAN ATTACKS

Since early 2005, gruesome finds of groups of corpses, often showing signs of execution or torture, have been becoming increasingly common.

Such discoveries have become more frequent and high profile since the outbreak of a wave of sectarian violence which followed the Samarra mosque bombing.

A large proportion of these killings can be identified as sectarian because of the style of killing, the identities of the victims or the context of the deaths.

LARGE-SCALE KILLINGS

12 July 06 - 23 killed

Kidnapped from bus station in Muqdadiya

9 July 06 - 40 killed

Mainly Sunnis, dragged from cars by Shia gunmen, Baghdad

26 March 06 - 30 bodies

Most decapitated, found near Baquba

14 March 06 - 29 bodies

Found bound, tortured and shot in south-east Baghdad

23 Feb 06 - 47 killed

Workers dragged from vehicles in Nahrawan, Baghdad

22 Jan 06 - 23 bodies

Police volunteers shot dead, found north of Baghdad

7 Oct 05 - 22 bodies

Found handcuffed and shot near the town of Badra

25 Aug 05 - 36 bodies

Found blindfolded, handcuffed and executed, near Badra

However, no available figures differentiate between sectarian killings and crime deaths in a country where kidnapping, extortion and tribal feuds are rife.

The numbers of bodies processed by Baghdad morgue, which deals only with those who died violent or suspicious deaths, are a widely-used guide.

BAGHDAD MORTUARY TOLL

Correspondents say the actual toll may be much higher as many bodies are not taken to the morgue...

Ibid

Of course all the violence that is now so prevalent in Iraq is causing masses of refugees that strain both Iraq and the other countries that have to take them. Mixed in with them are those trained insurgents.

The inefectual and downright traitorous strategies of the NeoConMen are spreading the cancer of terorism across the middle east destabalising it and indeed the world. Some former Iraqi insurgents have started to turn up in europe and the US. Seasoned well trained bombers.

Because of this clearly political heads responsible for the failed strategies must roll at the top in both TBA and TBA2.

In the UK the labour party are now openly talking of sending the grey men to number 10. As to the US that is in the hands of the US electors.

Sad Regards Walker

[Nemesis6 0]

Don't assume I agree with you, it's against the very spirit of a forum discussion, and with all due respect, Walker, I think you, as an anarchist, need the tinfoil hat more than I do!

[EiZei 0]

Would'nt this graph seem to be in odds with the common assertion that the insurgents are heartless murderers who only attack civilians and are too afraid to go after the coalition forces?

[Blake 0]

Probably something to do what is considered an attack, potshots from a car against concrete wall of a coalition base in considered an attack while a car bomb on a marker square killing 100 is also just one attack. Nobody really knows how many extortions, kidnappings, death threats or other attacks against individuals there are happening every day which no civilian ever reports. When coalition forces are being attacked that's always insurgent attack while on the civilian side things are more on the grey area.

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

Would'nt this graph seem to be in odds with the common assertion that the insurgents are heartless murderers who only attack civilians and are too afraid to go after the coalition forces?

not to me it dosnt. It shows the start of a civil war if you ask me, civilians being targeted means people are turning on each other.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Every day our soldiers and Iraqi civilians continue to be wounded maimed and die.

2,900 Coalition soldiers dead

19,688 US soldiers wounded and maimed

http://icasualties.org/oif/

Between 41,639 and 46,307 Iraqis killed

And untold numbers of civilian men women and children wounded and maimed.

And all for what?

NeoConMen Liars.

NeoConMen Liars that conned us into an uneeded war.

NeoConMen Liars that distracted us from the real fight against the terrorists.

NeoConMen Liars who's failed strategy has made the world less safe not more.

NeoConmen Liars who are so incompetent, that despite the coalition soldier winning all the battles for them, are still managing to loose the war.

NeoConMen Liars that told us there was WMD in Iraq.

NeoConMen Liars that told us that there was a link between Iraq and 9/11.

NeoConMen Liars that told us there was a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Quote[/b] ]Senate report: No Saddam, al-Qaida link

Long-awaited analysis also finds that anti-Saddam group misled U.S.

Updated: 3:31 p.m. ET Sept. 8, 2006

WASHINGTON - There’s no evidence Saddam Hussein had ties with al-Qaida, according to a Senate report issued Friday on prewar intelligence that Democrats say undercuts President Bush’s justification for invading Iraq.

Bush administration officials have insisted on a link between the Iraqi regime and terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Intelligence agencies, however, concluded there was none...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14728447/

Follow link for full story

And with those are the same NeoConMen Liars who have conned their way into control of the US Republican party. Those are the same NeoConMen Liars with all that blood on their hands. The question every Republican voter has to ask them selves is how can a Republican vote for those NeoConMen Liars?

Sadly walker

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

it was about arms deals and oil in my books. Unless its just to distract the american public from there real problems, like Global Warming and a failing economy.

[Nemesis6 0]

You know, Walker, you should be a member of one of those "independant media" sites like NaziMedia(Indymedia). From the sound of every single post you put here, it sounds like you would make a nice contribution there.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

You know, Walker, you should be a member of one of those "independant media" sites like NaziMedia(Indymedia). From the sound of every single post you put here, it sounds like you would make a nice contribution there.

I don't know about those media outlets you are referring to, but on here walker is definitely making a contribution - more than can be said of your recent comments in this thread.

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

i think to solve iraq the US has to commit more. Its obvious that the country is no longer under control, and that iraqi forces wont last a minite if the US leave. The US need to pour thousands of more troops into Bagdad to try and diminish the insurgency.

[walker 0]

Hi all

TrevorOfCrete your suggestion of more troops to totaly swamp the problem is correct. It is what I have been pushing for since the conflict began and what the sacked Generals and even Colin Powell said right at the start.

It was the NeoConmen Liars like Rumsfeld who said we could do it with too few troops.

That said the situation has been allowed to fester too long but bringing the NeoConMen to trial will also help placate the situation. If we can show the world that: democracy does stand for truth justice and honesty and that those who lie to bring us to war suffer the consequneces, then I think we can turn the situation around.

If as I said at the start of the Iraq war; when I supported our going in and others rightly said we were wrong, that if that was the case, then those who lie to bring us to war should have their personal fortunes so reduced as to make them live in the housing projects/council housing. Thus the international community will see how we deal with such liars.

I think the other things that need doing are that the billions of dollars of coalition Tax payers money that has gone missing, un unaudited, needs finding. Apparently it was alll converted into one dollar bills believe it or not. The exact same goes for the billions of dollars of missing Iraqi Oil money.

Some people must suddenly have become very rich we need to find out who and where from.

This should not be too hard and if it has turned up in the US or Europe it will leave a money trail. We already have FBI facilities to track large money transfers.

A good place to start would be those companies indiviuals and organisations that support the NoeConMen's agenda.

As to the Republican party I think it will only take a term or two for it to clean out the Augean stables of this communist rooted NeoConMen muck and get itself back on the right track.

Kind Regards Walker

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

the american political system is severly hampered by the supreme court. I mean there the only reason Bush was unfairly elected becuase all the supreme court judges were left over from george bush senior. America talks proudly about its seperation of powers but with only 2 leading partys the different partys in different areas of politis will always look out for there party, and even not do there job if thats in favor of the party.

[EiZei 0]

the american political system is severly hampered by the supreme court.  I mean there the only reason Bush was unfairly elected becuase all the supreme court judges were left over from george bush senior.  America talks proudly about its seperation of powers but with only 2 leading partys the different partys in different areas of politis will always look out for there party, and even not do there job if thats in favor of the party.

On the other hand the american judicidial system seems to be the only party doing anything about prisoner rights and warrantless surveillance.

[walker 0]

Hi all

I was shocked to learn today that the USA did not have a post war plan because Donald Rumsfeld forbade military strategists from developing plans for securing a post-war Iraq.

Quote[/b] ]Rumsfeld forbid post-war planning

Months before the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld forbade military strategists from developing plans for securing a post-war Iraq, the retiring commander of the Army Transportation Corps said Thursday.

In fact, said Brig. Gen. Mark Scheid, Rumsfeld said "he would fire the next person" who talked about the need for a post-war plan.

http://www.rawstory.com/comments/19398.html

So the same communist based NeoConMen Liars who have conned their way into control of the US Republican party.

The same NeoConMen liars who told us we would be win the war quickly but had no plan to win the war.

The same NeoConMen liars are happy to waste the lives of Coalition soldiers in a war they had no intention of allowing the soldiers to win.

The same NeoConMen liars who are happy to leave Iraq a bloodbath.

The same NeoConMen liars who are happy to see the bloodbath in Iraq jack up the price of their oil.

The same NeoConMen liars who are happy to see the price gas at the pump go through the roof.

Those are the same NeoConMen Liars with all the blood on their hands. The question every Republican voter has to ask them selves is how can a Republican vote for those NeoConMen Liars?

Sadly walker

[Nemesis6 0]

walker is definitely making a contribution

Riiiiiiight. The guy can't make a post without either "NeoCon" or "NeoConMen" in it!

[ralphwiggum 6]

walker is definitely making a contribution

Riiiiiiight. The guy can't make a post without either "NeoCon" or "NeoConMen" in it!  

and that comment just gave you another warning.

seems like you can't post without discussing poster himself.

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

walker is definitely making a contribution

Riiiiiiight. The guy can't make a post without either "NeoCon" or "NeoConMen" in it!  

such patriotic blindness will lead to tradgedy. i love my country, and would swap my nationality for anything, but when my country does somthign i know is wrong, i let people know about it.

[walker 0]

Hi all

The dammage being done by Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of the NeoConMen liars forbiding post-war planning is made obvious in a recent report by the chief of intelligence for the Marine Corps in Iraq.

Quote[/b] ]Situation Called Dire in West Iraq

Anbar Is Lost Politically, Marine Analyst Says

By Thomas E. Ricks

Washington Post Staff Writer

Monday, September 11, 2006; Page A01

The chief of intelligence for the Marine Corps in Iraq recently filed an unusual secret report concluding that the prospects for securing that country's western Anbar province are dim and that there is almost nothing the U.S. military can do to improve the political and social situation there, said several military officers and intelligence officials familiar with its contents.

The officials described Col. Pete Devlin's classified assessment of the dire state of Anbar as the first time that a senior U.S. military officer has filed so negative a report from Iraq.

One Army officer summarized it as arguing that in Anbar province, "We haven't been defeated militarily but we have been defeated politically -- and that's where wars are won and lost."

The "very pessimistic" statement, as one Marine officer called it, was dated Aug. 16 and sent to Washington shortly after that, and has been discussed across the Pentagon and elsewhere in national security circles. "I don't know if it is a shock wave, but it's made people uncomfortable," said a Defense Department official who has read the report. Like others interviewed about the report, he spoke on the condition that he not be identified by name because of the document's sensitivity.

Devlin reports that there are no functioning Iraqi government institutions in Anbar, leaving a vacuum that has been filled by the insurgent group al-Qaeda in Iraq, which has become the province's most significant political force, said the Army officer, who has read the report. Another person familiar with the report said it describes Anbar as beyond repair; a third said it concludes that the United States has lost in Anbar...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....04.html

Follow link to read the full report

It just supports what I have said for some time now:

This bunch of communist based NeoConMen liars have taken control of the US republican party. They are not interested in winning the war on terror their only interest is in widening the war and prolonging it.

These NeoConMen liars are happy to waste the lives of Coalition soldiers in a war they have had no intention of allowing the soldiers to win.

These NeoConMen liars who are happy to see the bloodbath in Iraq jack up the price of gas at the pump that they then sell to us.

I am going to keep going on about this. The question every Republican voter has to ask them selves is how can a true Republican vote for such NeoConMen Liars?

Sadly walker

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

walker is definitely making a contribution

Riiiiiiight. The guy can't make a post without either "NeoCon" or "NeoConMen" in it!

I judge what a contribution is - not you.

I judge your recent half-dozen contributions in this thread to be nothing but poorly disguised attempts at flaming at walker and completely content-free rubbish that adds nothing to any kind of discussion (translation: spam).

As your comment shows you clearly do not understand, so maybe the extra 2 WL will make you understand that throwing tomatoes at someone is not acceptable behaviour on this forum.

[walker 0]

Hi all

And the ever increasing killings go on

Quote[/b] ]Nearly 100 Killed In Baghdad Over 24 Brutal Hours

Scores of Corpses Dumped in Streets

By Amit R. Paley and K.I. Ibrahim

Washington Post Staff Writers

Thursday, September 14, 2006; Page A16

BAGHDAD, Sept. 13 -- Nearly 100 people were killed or found dead in the Iraqi capital over the past 24 hours, authorities said Wednesday, continuing a wave of sectarian violence that has defied American efforts to thwart the carnage.

Sixty-two bullet-riddled corpses -- some of them beheaded and all bearing signs of torture -- had been found dumped in streets throughout the city since Tuesday night, said Brig. Gen. Abdullah Mahmood of the Interior Ministry. Bombings and mortar attacks targeting Iraqi police killed an additional 26 people Wednesday morning.

In the deadliest attack, a car bomb exploded at 9 a.m. near an indoor stadium in Baghdad, killing 12 traffic policemen and wounding 13, Mahmood said. As a crowd swarmed the scene to aid the wounded, another bomb went off, killing seven civilians and injuring 47.

Mortar shells slammed into a police station in the Mashtal area of eastern Baghdad and a security forces recruiting center near an airfield in the central part of the capital, the Interior Ministry said. Seven people were killed, and 19 were wounded.

The U.S. military, meanwhile, announced the deaths of two soldiers, one killed south of Baghdad on Tuesday night when his vehicle was struck by a bomb and the other on Monday during combat in Anbar province...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....20.html

Follow link to read the full story

The level of violence has increased as discussion of a plan to break up Iraq into three seperate federal states, took place.

The plan would create a defacto Kurdish state with sufficient oil to put massive pressure on Turkey. Turkey is already suffering renued terrorist attacks from a freshly funded and trained PKK.

In western Anbar province the latest report to the Pentagon has warned that it has lost control of the Iraqi Sunni province.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....04.html

Allthough the senior Marine General in the province denies it.

Quote[/b] ]US marines deny losing Iraq's biggest province

Jonathan Steele

Wednesday September 13, 2006

The Guardian

The most senior US marine commander in Iraq has been forced to downplay a secret intelligence report which asserted that the United States had "lost" Anbar province, the main heartland of Sunni resistance to the US occupation.

The report, parts of which were leaked to the US media at the weekend, painted a dramatic picture of a collapse in US military control. But, without denying the accuracy of the leaks, Major General Richard Zilmer sought yesterday to minimise the damage. "The classified assessment was intended to focus on the causes of the insurgency. It was not intended to address the positive effects coalition and Iraqi forces have achieved over the past years," he said. But he acknowledged that "progress" in Anbar was "much more challenging" than elsewhere in Iraq.

The report was written by Colonel Pete Devlin, the marine corps' chief of intelligence, and is the most negative assessment by a senior US officer so far.

The UN secretary general, Kofi Annan, who returned last week from a two-week trip to the Middle East, said today: "Most of the leaders I spoke to felt the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath has been a real disaster for them. They believe it has destabilised the region." ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1871743,00.html

Follow link to read the full article

And that is the problem a divided Iraq will fall into three threat areas.

1) A Kurdish state inimical to Turkey and with enough money from its oil and gas to fund an endless insugency in eastern Turkey. Which will almost certainly see the Caucuses to Turkey oil pipe line as its main target.

2) A Shia South which with its vast oil reserves which will integrate with Iran to create the biggest and most powerful nation in the middle east.

3) An Al Qaeda heartland in Anbar province that will act as a training and recruitment ground to infect the rest of the middle east. And even when Jordan, Syria, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia Invade to try and stablise it; will only slow the infection but still lead to their inevitable downfall.

DELIBERATE FAILURE TO PUT IN ENOUGH TROOPS TO DO THE JOB

Beyond the plane fact that we never needed to go in to Iraq in the first place. We were infact conned into it by the communist based NeoConMen Liars.

The overiding major problem is that the Donald Rumsfeld and his NeoConMen cronies deliberately stopped the Coalition Generals from planning to win the war.

Quote[/b] ]Rumsfeld forbade post-war planning, general maintains

By STEPHANIE HEINATZ

McCLATCHY-TRIBUNE NEWSPAPERS

9/9/2006

FORT EUSTIS, Va. - Long before the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld forbade military strategists to develop plans for securing a post-war Iraq, the retiring commander of the Army Transportation Corps said Thursday.

In fact, said Brig. Gen. Mark Scheid, Rumsfeld said "he would fire the next person" who talked about the need for a post-war plan.

Rumsfeld did replace Gen. Eric Shinseki, the Army chief of staff in 2003, after Shinseki told Congress that hundreds of thousands of troops would be needed to secure post-war Iraq.

Scheid, who is also the commander of Fort Eustis in Newport News, made his comments in an interview with the Newport News Daily Press. He retires in about three weeks.

Scheid's comments are further confirmation of the version of events reported in "Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq," the book by New York Times reporter Michael R. Gordon and retired Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Bernard E. Trainor...

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This is the consisitent story that has emerged from the US General staff.

It sickens me to conclude that the NeoConMen Liars are deliberatly wasting the lives of coalition soldiers and Iraqi civilians for the disgusting NeoConMen's agenda.

NeoConMen Liars

These are the same communist based NeoConMen Liars who conned US Republican party in to giving them the reigns of power.

The same NeoConMen liars who conned us into a war in Iraq when there was:

No link between Iraq and 9/11

No link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda

No WMD in Iraq

The same NeoConMen liars who said they would win the war quickly but who planned to never let the Iraq war be won.

The same NeoConMen liars who are happy to see the bloodbath in Iraq jack up the price of the oil and the price gas at the pump go through the roof so it can fill their pockets.

Those are the same NeoConMen Liars with the blood of the Iraq war on their hands. The question every voter has to ask them selves is how can a true American vote for those NeoConMen Liars?

Sadly walker

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The dammage being done by Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of the NeoConMen liars forbiding post-war planning is made obvious in a recent report by the chief of intelligence for the Marine Corps in Iraq.

Quote[/b] ]Situation Called Dire in West Iraq

Anbar Is Lost Politically, Marine Analyst Says

By Thomas E. Ricks

Washington Post Staff Writer

Monday, September 11, 2006; Page A01

The chief of intelligence for the Marine Corps in Iraq recently filed an unusual secret report concluding that the prospects for securing that country's western Anbar province are dim and that there is almost nothing the U.S. military can do to improve the political and social situation there, said several military officers and intelligence officials familiar with its contents.

The officials described Col. Pete Devlin's classified assessment of the dire state of Anbar as the first time that a senior U.S. military officer has filed so negative a report from Iraq.

One Army officer summarized it as arguing that in Anbar province, "We haven't been defeated militarily but we have been defeated politically -- and that's where wars are won and lost."

The "very pessimistic" statement, as one Marine officer called it, was dated Aug. 16 and sent to Washington shortly after that, and has been discussed across the Pentagon and elsewhere in national security circles. "I don't know if it is a shock wave, but it's made people uncomfortable," said a Defense Department official who has read the report. Like others interviewed about the report, he spoke on the condition that he not be identified by name because of the document's sensitivity.

Devlin reports that there are no functioning Iraqi government institutions in Anbar, leaving a vacuum that has been filled by the insurgent group al-Qaeda in Iraq, which has become the province's most significant political force, said the Army officer, who has read the report. Another person familiar with the report said it describes Anbar as beyond repair; a third said it concludes that the United States has lost in Anbar...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....04.html

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It just supports what I have said for some time now:

This bunch of communist based NeoConMen liars have taken control of the US republican party. They are not interested in winning the war on terror their only interest is in widening the war and prolonging it.

These NeoConMen liars are happy to waste the lives of Coalition soldiers in a war they have had no intention of allowing the soldiers to win.

These NeoConMen liars who are happy to see the bloodbath in Iraq jack up the price of gas at the pump that they then sell to us.

I am going to keep going on about this. The question every Republican voter has to ask them selves is how can a true Republican vote for such NeoConMen Liars?

Sadly walker

I'm sorry but the democrats are more worried about making the al qaeda bill or rights than winning the war. They destroyed the Patriot act and the NSA Spy Program which the Democrats claim its a Domestic spy program... I rofl at that we dont' even have enough man power nor the time of day to be listening on everyones phone calls. (What it is basicly is that if you call someone affiliated with a terrorist organization that they have on a list they will listen in on the phone call not you or your aunt sue in some small town city in south dakota) If we can't distinguish what is right and wrong to help this country out in america then we have every right to be killed. I believe it will take another major attack in America for us to realize this shit is for real. Its either we go to Mid East and meet them there or they will come here and do damage to our cities. This shit is real and we need to do whatever it takes to destroy them. I even support nuking Iran and Syria. All in all, it would make a better world. Europe really better get their head out of their ass unless I have been misinformed, the fundamentalist are taking over Europe. We need to put a stop to this bickering and fighting and get the job done. The people need to let the government do what it needs to do to stop attacks in this country. You can't sit there and rip the Republicans for what they are doing when you have to fight a war with a hand behind your back due to the democrats. There are so much Bullshit on the news over here about how much the democrats are going to win the elections this year in the senate but now the reports are flipped flopped. All politicians are liars but Democrats will destroy this country with diplomacy...