Korea... next?

[kerosene 0]

Yeah, the U.S would be going it alone, (other than S.Korea obviously) - most if not all allied countries - there leaders can still get re-elected after two terms. Blair is a suck-up but I think North Korea would be a little too far over th line for him.

Besides, the S.Korean government would have to give their approval , the U.S couldnt just really just jump in there, and they didnt like having their "sunshine policy" f'd with by George Bush, so why would they agree to a major war?

Is it really less than 30,000 troops now? I thought it was about 37000, but i read they were reducing the troop commitment,

[DB-ERAUPilot 0]

I'm not 100% sure about the less than 30,000 thas what I've been told by alot of my army buds and yeah, they are even reducing that number to redeploy some of those troops to iraq...

[ralphwiggum 6]

about 32,000 is my estimate.

anyways, the peninsula is small, but the geo-political aspect is amplified by the fact that China do not want to loose bufferzone called NK. There is some power balance by having communist economy between capitalist SK, and China's best strategy is to keep that status quo.

US certainly would not launch pre-emptive attack since the war is constly,and even if we had the resource to do, casualty will be high. Eventually, SK and US troops will pound NK troops.

Although the possibility is remote, there is chance that NK will use its WMDs. IF NK was the attacker, they would not use WMDs since that would guarantee equal or more retaliation. however, if NK gets attacked first, they will certainly use anything they have.

Kim Jong Il, son of Kil Il song, has been depicted as an eccentric person, but ever since he took over the power, he's been holding onto it pretty good. My guess is that he knows going against SK in full force is suicide, but knows how to play cards to get things occasionally.

[GoOB 0]

I hear the chap is quite vain and wants to be taller than he is. Let's face it he looks like an old gran with hair-loss and a bad taste in clothes.

War on North Korea would be suicide for the civilized world as we know it, wouldn't want to think about the consequences....

[bucket man 2]

I wouldnt say NK military is big of a threat. I mean sure they have lots of men but training is poor and their tanks are from the 50's. Aircraft are all some old junk except MiG-29's and those are brobably not in flight condition.

Ofcourse its not the same as flat desert with no cover but they dont have anything to stop US tanks IF they decided to go in with force. Id be more concerned about their artillery wich can pound Seoul to dust in 40 minutes.

After that the artillery would be only a memory and the last thing they could do is shoot couple of nukes in Japan or SK.

I also dont believe that they could reach California. Theoretically maybe but missiles would brobably fall to the ocean before they reach their target.

That said their conventional military wouldnt last against US and SK. They would loose 50000 men a day.

[GoOB 0]

Sure their conventional army would probably drop their guns quite quickly too. They aren't very well fed and most come from horrible backgrounds I imagine, but the population I think is mostly very devoted to the old gran with bad taste in clothing (Kim Jong Il). Don't forget they are almost worshipping him. But that would probably fall apart quite quickly....

And their conventional forces aren't what I am worried about, even the thoughts of nuclear blasts in Japan, China or anywhere else in the world makes me cringe and cry like a baby.

[DB-ERAUPilot 0]

I wouldnt say NK military is big of a threat. I mean sure they have lots of men but training is poor and their tanks are from the 50's. Aircraft are all some old junk except MiG-29's and those are brobably not in flight condition.

Ofcourse its not the same as flat desert with no cover but they dont have anything to stop US tanks IF they decided to go in with force. Id be more concerned about their artillery wich can pound Seoul to dust in 40 minutes.

After that the artillery would be only a memory and the last thing they could do is shoot couple of nukes in Japan or SK.

I also dont believe that they could reach California. Theoretically maybe but missiles would brobably fall to the ocean before they reach their target.

That said their conventional military wouldnt last against US and SK. They would loose 50000 men a day.

lol, bucket man your funny...50,000 a day...been watchin too many movies bro....if anyone would be losing large numbers of lives a day it would be the SK civilians for the simple fact that the war would be in THEIR cities and NK doctrine would not be like ours to avoid civilian casualites at all costs..we'd be almost pushed into the sea before reinforcements could arrive..get off the holllywood hoopla dude as said before a war with NK would be costly on ALL sides

[Akira 0]

Sure their conventional army would probably drop their guns quite quickly too. They aren't very well fed and most come from horrible backgrounds I imagine, but the population I think is mostly very devoted to the old gran with bad taste in clothing (Kim Jong Il). Don't forget they are almost worshipping him. But that would probably fall apart quite quickly....

And their conventional forces aren't what I am worried about, even the thoughts of nuclear blasts in Japan, China or anywhere else in the world makes me cringe and cry like a baby.

Thats ridiculous.

Their army will not "fall apart easily". Remember the Korean War? We just about got our ass kicked. And the only thing that has changed since then is they have gotten MORE weapons and more ADVANCED weapons.

[Akira 0]

I wouldnt say NK military is big of a threat. I mean sure they have lots of men but training is poor and their tanks are from the 50's. Aircraft are all some old junk except MiG-29's and those are brobably not in flight condition.

Ofcourse its not the same as flat desert with no cover but they dont have anything to stop US tanks IF they decided to go in with force. Id be more concerned about their artillery wich can pound Seoul to dust in 40 minutes.

After that the artillery would be only a memory and the last thing they could do is shoot couple of nukes in Japan or SK.

Do us all a favor and come back when you have information that isn't grounded in the "invincible American Army" mythos.

You seem to forget that Korea is half a world away, and those troops on the border are little more than a speed bump so Seoul can be evacuated.

And perhaps you forget that the majority of N. Korea is mountainous. Not exactly tank friendly. That is enough to slow tanks down. They know the land. We don't. It would be pitifully easy to make bottlenecks and ambushes.

North Korean Army Estimates

As you can see, N. Korea has about double everything S. Korea has. The US adds an extra measley 37000.

Also note N. Koreas sizeable Special Forces, who previous to an outbreak, would infiltrate S Korea and be responsible for acts of sabotage (bases, railways, airports, docks, bridges, etc etc).

Of course that is assuming we would even get into N. Korean territory. As stated, N. Korea is half a world away, and getting troops there speedily would be difficult (even assuming they aren't all bogged down in Iraq).

The truth is, despite, your ill-informed opinion, should N. Korea decide to or get pushed to, they could quite possibly overrun S.Korea before the US has a chance to reinforce, with our air assets and ground assets doing little but slowing them down a little.

Quote[/b] ]I also dont believe that they could reach California. Theoretically maybe but missiles would brobably fall to the ocean before they reach their target.

This may be hard to understand, but missiles don't listen to what you "believe." The US as well as Korea have both stated that their missiles can reach to California presently, and most certianly Alaska, and possibly Hawaii.

And Kim is just enough of a nutjob to use them.

Quote[/b] ]That said their conventional military wouldnt last against US and SK. They would loose 50000 men a day.

Step away from the Chuck Norris movies and try reading some.

[GoOB 0]

Sure their conventional army would probably drop their guns quite quickly too. They aren't very well fed and most come from horrible backgrounds I imagine, but the population I think is mostly very devoted to the old gran with bad taste in clothing (Kim Jong Il). Don't forget they are almost worshipping him. But that would probably fall apart quite quickly....

And their conventional forces aren't what I am worried about, even the thoughts of nuclear blasts in Japan, China or anywhere else in the world makes me cringe and cry like a baby.

Thats ridiculous.

Their army will not "fall apart easily". Remember the Korean War? We just about got our ass kicked. And the only thing that has changed since then is they have gotten MORE weapons and more ADVANCED weapons.

Wasn't Kim Il Sung still bossing the country during the Korean war?

My image of the Korean people is that they would be quite unhappy with their current ruler. But brainwashing is quite a powerful tool....

[Jblack 0]

Ahh North Korea,

Now first off the U.S. didn't get it's ass kicked in the First War. In fact U.S. Troops almost conquered the entire peninsula, until US troops encroached too much on Chineese Territory, and China's response was a 1/4 million man army force, with more and more Chinese forces pushing through everyday. Which forced a retreat and finally the creation of the DMZ.

Modern Day, Even though most North Koreans lay extremly loyal to their leader, i believe this mindset would break, once ideas from the outside world, finally entered throughout their culture, these people know nothing else, their borders are closed because NK would have no population left.

Militarily, once the U.S. mobilizied the military forces needed to defeat the NK, The NK would be decisivley and conventionally crushed, their army is not so well fed, and have much less experience then that of the U.S. Japan, and SK, their airforce is outdated as is their navy, civilian casulties would be high on both sides, but conventionally the U.S. would pull off a decisivie victory

[DB-ERAUPilot 0]

Wasn't Kim Il Sung still bossing the country during the Korean war?

Actually that was the current leaders father..

[DB-ERAUPilot 0]

Modern Day, Even though most North Koreans lay extremly loyal to their leader, i believe this mindset would break, once ideas from the outside world, finally entered throughout their culture, these people know nothing else, their borders are closed because NK would have no population left.

this sounds alot like the bullshit Bush tried to sell us on Iraq..."oh yes, the koreans are waiting for their American savior..." please. Judging how most of the current generation SK civilian thinks its our fault the two koreas aren't united I think it'll be pretty hard to convince the average NK citizen to turn on their country. Now I LOVE this country(America) but we are invincible...we may have not loss in korea during the first war but we sure as hell didn't win either and btw that war is still going on there was never a treaty just a cease fire. They may not be as up to date in equipment as us but they are trained from day one on who to carry out an invasion(they call it reunification) of the south and let's not forget CHINA...yeah everybody thinks China is an allie the sad thing is NK is a lose/lose situation and things have only gotten worse with Bush's "nose thumbing" at HIS axis of evil...

[Pathy 0]

I have always wanted to live in a post nuclear apocalyptic world, roaming the lawless Nuclear wasteland like Mad Max, fighting mutants and such......

......SO LETS GO TO WAR!

[DB-ERAUPilot 0]

I have always wanted to live in a post nuclear apocalyptic world, roaming the lawless Nuclear wasteland like Mad Max, fighting mutants and such......

......SO LETS GO TO WAR!

LOL

[hellfish6 7]

Quote[/b] ]Ahh North Korea,

Now first off the U.S. didn't get it's ass kicked in the First War. In fact U.S. Troops almost conquered the entire peninsula, until US troops encroached too much on Chineese Territory, and China's response was a 1/4 million man army force, with more and more Chinese forces pushing through everyday. Which forced a retreat and finally the creation of the DMZ.

Actually, the US very nearly did get it's ass kicked. Task Force Smith and the Pusan Perimeter is your required reading for the night. Had the Inchon landings been delayed a few days by tides or weather, we'd have a very different Korea today.

Quote[/b] ]Modern Day, Even though most North Koreans lay extremly loyal to their leader, i believe this mindset would break, once ideas from the outside world, finally entered throughout their culture, these people know nothing else, their borders are closed because NK would have no population left.

No. The North Koreans have absolutely no idea what goes on outside their borders, save for what their government tells them (like the US eats Korean babies for dinner). They have no idea of what freedom means, what freedom is, what a democracy is or how to work it.

It would be like us waking up tomorrow 50 years in the future and finding out that all of our current beliefs and values were wrong. The culture shock will probably be enormous for the NKs.

Don't get me wrong, eventually South Korea would probably assimilate the northerners, but it won't be easy and it won't be quick.

Quote[/b] ]Militarily, once the U.S. mobilizied the military forces needed to defeat the NK, The NK would be decisivley and conventionally crushed, their army is not so well fed, and have much less experience then that of the U.S. Japan, and SK, their airforce is outdated as is their navy, civilian casulties would be high on both sides, but conventionally the U.S. would pull off a decisivie victory

Most of our forces are either in Iraq right now or undeployable. North Korea has huge numbers of special forces troops trained to infiltrate before the invasion and take out key targets.

Yeah, we'd win (unless maybe, China intervenes for the North) but we'd suffer pretty bad. Iraq would be nothing compared to a new Korean war. The NKs may not have much modern equipment, but they've got plenty of motivation, training and willingness to fight. Look what a couple of yahoos in Iraq are capable of doing with an AK and an RPG. Now imagine 1.5 million fanatical North Koreans (nevermind the 4 million NK reservists) hiding in mountains and forests armed with AKs, RPGs, SA-7s, T-72s, and chemical weapons.

[theavonlady 2]

What if.....................................

............................................ North Korea initiated an all out attack against South Korea?

[Pathy 0]

SK would get its ass kicked, but Bush would get a justified reason to go to war....and thus we would go to war

[theavonlady 2]

SK would get its ass kicked, but Bush would get a justified reason to go to war....and thus we would go to war  

With what forces, seeing that much is in Iraq right now?

How long to mobilize and get there?

Would most probably require a callup.

And what about other country's military getting involved?

[Pathy 0]

I doubt Iraq would matter, if Bush got a justified reason to go to war with NK, he would go to war. Also remember, the USA has commitments to its allies (SK), and do you think the USA would break off those commitments, thus making herself look weak on the world stage?

No, Bush would find a way to go to war with NK. Other allies of SK would get involved. I don't know who is in an Allience with SK, but i expect the likes of the USA, UK, Australia, Japan, ect would all be involved.

[theavonlady 2]

No, Bush would find a way to go to war with NK. Other allies of SK would get involved. I don't know who is in an Allience with SK, but i expect the likes of the USA, UK, Australia, Japan, ect would all be involved.

I bet Finland would side with North Korea.

Bye bye Samsung.

[Grizzlie 0]

I think those r 2 different cases:

1. US attacks NK - they r doing it on their own.

2. NK attacks SK - correct me if i am wrong, but there is no peace, but only cease of fire, and in that case would "work" old UN resolutions, so ALL UN countries would support this war.

And i aggree in both cases it would be massacre.

[turms 0]

Japans constitution would not allow it...

[theavonlady 2]

Japans constitution would not allow it...

What if Japan was attacked?

[DB-ERAUPilot 0]

SK would get its ass kicked, but Bush would get a justified reason to go to war....and thus we would go to war

With what forces, seeing that much is in Iraq right now?

How long to mobilize and get there?

Would most probably require a callup.

And what about other country's military getting involved?

well, airpower is there...we've always got atleast one carrier battle group in the region the problem would be inserting additional ground forces. A call of up reserves would be almost impossible since the army has been "back-door" drafting people to go to iraq and afghanistan. The 82nd Airborne or 10th Mountain would probaly be the way to go at first but as stated before they're busy chasing iraqies and terrorists..getting armor there would probaly be the biggest problem especially if NK special forces were successful of taking out airfields closer to the parallel ie Osan AFB I'm not sure how long it would take to get a Marine MEU(SOC) in there but they too wouldn't be able to last long without support..the situation would be really iffy at first...