Sudan Crisis

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Thats just like the idea of a war on terror and not assaulting the kkk.

LOL...bout time someone said that but a war but there are several reasons why that will NEVER happen some being it would be political suicide to the president(with this president ...that wouldn't be such a bad idea) and their are too many former and current KKK members or sympathizers in the government...and is a 100% sure thing they didn't knock down the towers and their not Arab their middle aged white guys(still the basis of America)..it ain't happening

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/07/07/sudan.powell.ap/index.html

Quote[/b] ]WASHINGTON (AP) -- It was the leather shoes that caught the eye of U.S. officials with Secretary of State Colin Powell in a camp for Sudanese uprooted by ethnic violence.

Sudanese forced from their homes by war or famine normally have the most primitive footwear or none at all.

Many had leather shoes at the camp and obviously didn't belong there. As U.S. officials saw it, they were assigned to intimidate actual residents who might be inclined to tell their harrowing stories to Powell and his party, including reporters.

In the days before Powell's visit to Darfur region in western Sudan last week, he and his colleagues had been aware that the Sudanese government might try to put the best face on a dire situation.

Powell has said repeatedly that the visit to the al-Shouk camp was not to investigate but rather to call international attention to the Darfur crisis, for which he believes Sudan's Islamic government bears heavy responsibility.

The number of Darfur's displaced by raiders exceeds 1 million, many of whom are expected to die.

Powell also was relying on other sources to keep tabs on the situation. He got an earful from private U.S. relief groups and U.N. officials during an hourlong meeting before visiting al-Shouk, where 40,000 people are sheltering. He was told of the murders, rapes and the razing of villages, all said to have been committed by government-backed ethnic Arab militias against Darfur's black African population.

The government denies any role in supporting the so-called Janjaweed militias. It attributes the unrest to competition over land and resources.

After meeting with the relief experts, Powell boarded his van, which had been flown from Washington for the occasion. His aides worried that the van, its weight substantially increased by armor plating, could sink in Darfur's mud.

It made the trip to al-Shouk without incident. In terms of relief supplies, the camp is better off than perhaps any other in Darfur. Some camp residents told reporters about the murder of close family members. Others balked, citing the presence of government agents.

Powell made a 25-minute walk through the camp, accompanied by relief experts. He moved hurriedly because he did not want to get caught in a sandstorm brewing nearby.

When he finally reached a shelter at the end of his tour, a group of women presented him with a petition suggesting that all was well in Darfur.

His delegation realized that the women were government agents. Not only were they well-dressed, they were overweight.

For weeks, Powell had been in almost daily contact with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan on ways to pressure Sudan to lift curbs on delivery of humanitarian supplies to Darfur and to permit the safe return of the displaced to their homes. Another goal was a peace settlement between Darfur's Arab and black populations.

When Powell learned that Annan was planning to visit Sudan last week, he decided go there at the same time, adding Khartoum at the end of two-city trip in Europe.

The plan called for Powell and Annan to deliver back-to-back messages to President Omar el-Bashir that he must act to end the suffering. The one-two punch by the world's two best-known diplomats would be difficult for el-Bashir to ignore, or so officials hoped.

By week's end, el-Bashir had pledged to send troops Darfur to end militia violence and to remove all obstacles to delivery of relief supplies. There also were promises to start a peace dialogue among the rival factions. It remains unclear whether these assurances will be fulfilled.

Sudan's effort to orchestrate perceptions about camp life in Darfur did not stop with Powell. The day after he visited al-Shouk, Annan made a stop at the Meshtel settlement, where he expected to find 1,000 displaced people. To Annan's astonishment, all had been loaded on trucks and carted away.

"Where are the people?" Annan asked incredulously. A Sudanese official explained that the people were removed because conditions were too grim.

Annan turned down an offer to tour the same camp visited by Powell the day before.

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African Politics 101.

[ralphwiggum 6]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/07/19/sudan.rapes.reut/index.html

Quote[/b] ]BEIRUT, Lebanon (Reuters) -- Arab militias in Sudan are gang-raping and abducting girls as young as eight and women as old as 80, systematically killing, torturing, or using them as sex slaves, an Amnesty International report said on Monday.

[theavonlady 2]

The Sudan Crisis made local news here today as well.

Quote[/b] ]Yad Vashem Warns Against Genocide In Sudan

16:54 Jul 19, '04 / 1 Av 5764

Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Martyrs and Heroes Remembrance Authority, released a statement yesterday urging "the world to act before it is too late." The statement says,

"The aggregate of news reports about the situation in Darfur [sudan] indicates that the escalating humanitarian crisis includes aspects of ethnic cleansing and perhaps even genocide. During the era of the Holocaust, the world was slow to respond to news about the murder of six million Jews. In the 1990s, unrestrained genocide occurred in Rwanda with little or no international acknowledgement of it until after it had ended. It is imperative that we learn the lesson from past failures to respond in time to evolving, genocidal evil. Yad Vashem urges the leaders of the nations of the world to take immediate concerted action to halt the tragedy in Darfur before it devolves further, to provide effective humanitarian aid to the region and to punish the perpetrators of the heinous crimes that are being committed there."

Yad Vashem, created by the Knesset in 1953, is dedicated to Holocaust remembrance, documentation, research and education. Director Avner Shalev explained today that he hopes that Yad Vashem's voice, added to those around the world warning about the sorry situation in Sudan, will help stir the world to concrete action.

The UN recently passed a strong resolution calling for sanctions against the Sudanese-government militias blamed for what has been described as a "humanitarian catastrophe" in Sudan. A long-running civil war exploded last year when rebels attacked government property, accusing the government of neglecting mostly black Darfur in favor of the country's Arab population. The government then established Arab militias to put down the rebellion. The militias are now accused of expelling black Africans from the remote section of the country, and in fact many of the latter have either been killed or fled to neighboring Chad.

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Quote[/b] ]BEIRUT, Lebanon (Reuters) -- Arab militias in Sudan are gang-raping and abducting girls as young as eight and women as old as 80, systematically killing, torturing, or using them as sex slaves, an Amnesty International report said on Monday.

AIDS as a weapon of genocide is very common on the african continent also. Militias ,HIV positive, rape everything, male, female, kids...to make sure they will not survive in the first or following generation. In Congo that was/is a common method.

[billybob2002 0]

Met the *accused* leader of the Janjaweed....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58171-2004Jul17.html

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In Sudan, 'a Big Sheik' Roams Free

Militia Leader Describes Campaign Against Africans as Self-Defense

By Emily Wax

Washington Post Foreign Service

Sunday, July 18, 2004; Page A01

KHARTOUM, Sudan -- Musa Hilal sauntered into the lobby of a downtown hotel. Jittery eyes followed the statuesque, copper-skinned man as he settled into an armchair. He had recently been accused by Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and others of leading the marauding militia that has plunged the Darfur region of western Sudan into the world's most desperate humanitarian crisis.

But Hilal has a different story. In a rare interview last week, he said the crisis had been exaggerated and offered to give a tour of the vast region where he had spent most of his life. "I'm a big sheik," he said. "Not a little sheik."

Hilal is accused of being a commander of the Janjaweed militia. According to human rights groups, aid workers and U.S. officials, the militia, supported by Sudan's government, has displaced 1.2 million people in Darfur through violence and pillage. What was once a lively crossroads between Africa and the Arab world has become a tableau of hunger, disease and fear.

Long read but its interesting...sounds like a race war is happening down in Sudan....

edit: it is!!!

[Bordoy 0]

Something needs to be done and now. Can someone just outline the situation? like whos fighting who etc

[Brutal_Impact 0]

You want Arabs intervening in a conflict between other Arabs and non-Arabs? No offense... but I think that's a bad idea. I don't trust any of them to be even handed. Jordan - maybe. Saudis, no. Morroccans, maybe, but there aren't enough of them. Iranians (hahaha) hell no! Pakistan.. too many internal problems. Egypt - not likely. Bangladesh, too ineffective. Any others that can possibly do it? Turkey maybe, but they're not much for peacekeeping from what I've seen.

As for China, they're already a superpower. They just don't act like it (they DO talk like it, though). I'd much prefer China make it's grand entrance into the world of international cooperation as a peaceful force working for good instead of a leader of an anti-ASEAN/Taiwan alliance bent on conquest.

Turkey only does whats good for Turkey. Sort of like France.

I feel very sorry for the poor Africans in Sudan, the only country in the entire planet that seems to remotly care about this kind of stuff is the US and they are wayyyy too busy right now.

Also, many countries are very scared of having another Samolia.

[Brutal_Impact 0]

The Sudan Crisis made local news here today as well.

Quote[/b] ]Yad Vashem Warns Against Genocide In Sudan

16:54 Jul 19, '04 / 1 Av 5764

Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Martyrs and Heroes Remembrance Authority, released a statement yesterday urging "the world to act before it is too late." The statement says,

"The aggregate of news reports about the situation in Darfur [sudan] indicates that the escalating humanitarian crisis includes aspects of ethnic cleansing and perhaps even genocide. During the era of the Holocaust, the world was slow to respond to news about the murder of six million Jews. In the 1990s, unrestrained genocide occurred in Rwanda with little or no international acknowledgement of it until after it had ended. It is imperative that we learn the lesson from past failures to respond in time to evolving, genocidal evil. Yad Vashem urges the leaders of the nations of the world to take immediate concerted action to halt the tragedy in Darfur before it devolves further, to provide effective humanitarian aid to the region and to punish the perpetrators of the heinous crimes that are being committed there."

Yad Vashem, created by the Knesset in 1953, is dedicated to Holocaust remembrance, documentation, research and education. Director Avner Shalev explained today that he hopes that Yad Vashem's voice, added to those around the world warning about the sorry situation in Sudan, will help stir the world to concrete action.

The UN recently passed a strong resolution calling for sanctions against the Sudanese-government militias blamed for what has been described as a "humanitarian catastrophe" in Sudan. A long-running civil war exploded last year when rebels attacked government property, accusing the government of neglecting mostly black Darfur in favor of the country's Arab population. The government then established Arab militias to put down the rebellion. The militias are now accused of expelling black Africans from the remote section of the country, and in fact many of the latter have either been killed or fled to neighboring Chad.

Its nice to know that there are Isrealis out there that care about genocide, even if the people they care about are Muslim.

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Quote[/b] ]Turkey only does whats good for Turkey. Sort of like France.

I feel very sorry for the poor Africans in Sudan, the only country in the entire planet that seems to remotly care about this kind of stuff is the US and they are wayyyy too busy right now.

Also, many countries are very scared of having another Samolia.

Do you have proof for your claims or did you again just pull it out of your uneducated hat ? And it´s SOMALIA !! As you used Samolia repeatedly I assume your knowledge on international affairs and conflict zones is less than basic...

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Brutal_Impact if your only purpose is to flame/flame bait then you're in the wrong place.

[billybob2002 0]

Its now a "official" genocide...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tm....ocide_1

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Congress Calls Sudan Atrocities 'Genocide'

Fri Jul 23,11:25 AM ET  

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Congress late Thursday night passed resolutions declaring that atrocities that have been unfolding in western Sudan are genocide and urged the Bush administration to do the same.  

The resolutions came as U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) met with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) Thursday, for the second time in three weeks, to discuss what he called a "humanitarian catastrophe" in Darfur.

An estimated 30,000 civilians have been killed — most of them black Africans — and up to 1 million displaced since two groups from the Darfur region's African tribes took up arms over what they regard as unjust treatment by the government in their struggle with Arab countrymen over land and resources.

The Arab militia, called Janjaweed, began attacking black villages, and some human rights groups have accused the militias of ethnic cleansing and genocide.

But until the congressional resolutions late Thursday, U.S. officials had declined to label the killings a genocide. Passed unanimously in the House and Senate, the measures urge President Bush (news - web sites) to call the situation in Sudan "by its rightful name" and urge his administration work with the international community to stop it.

A 1948 UN convention obligates the international community to prevent and punish acts it has declared as genocide.

U.S. officials and humanitarian groups accuse the Sudanese government of backing the militias — a claim Khartoum denies.

I wonder what Bush is going to do...

[BoweryBaker 0]

Well well, Kofi Annan first hated Bush for going to war for foreign countries, and now you see the foreign countries actually asking for his help are african so he now has to swallow his pride and ask for help. Hypocritical isn't it?

If the United States would let private organizations like that one famous one from South Africa, Executive Outcomes, do their job then we wouldn't always have to go in. I saw the mercenary special on history channel and EO has successfully repelled insurgencies in Africa before after being paid of course. U.S. ordered them to pull out and the U.N. to move in and the U.N. failed to keep the peace. It takes a private organization to do the job man.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Well well, Kofi Annan first hated Bush for going to war for foreign countries, and now you see the foreign countries actually asking for his help are african so he now has to swallow his pride and ask for help.  Hypocritical isn't it?

not at all. you do not attack foreign nations without a good proof, but Bush went on without UN's support and even managed to piss off UN by saying 'we can do this alone'. now that Iraq situation is dire, even the Bush Administration is asking for UN's help. talk about hypocricy.

Sudan crisis is real and is a clear and present danger. thus warants international pressure.

reminds me of the old days when rightwingers were saying we don't need to get involved in international affairs but look at what we are doing in Iraq now.

i guess for sake of argument, maybe the world should not help US in defeating Al Qaeda. after all their target is US, not other nations, right?

Quote[/b] ]If the United States would let private organizations like that one famous one from South Africa, Executive Outcomes, do their job then we wouldn't always have to go in. I saw the mercenary special on history channel and EO has successfully repelled insurgencies in Africa before after being paid of course. U.S. ordered them to pull out and the U.N. to move in and the U.N. failed to keep the peace. It takes a private organization to do the job man.

that could have been a good argument id it wasn't for the fact that US still has outstanding amount of dues unpaid to UN.

[denoir 0]

Its now a "official" genocide...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tm....ocide_1

It's an interesting development. I don't think that much will happen though. The US is tied up in Iraq and already has manpower problems with its current operations. Second, people got a bad aftertaste after the Iraq war.

Europe on the other hand is riding on a pacifist high, living in happy-happy land. Right now everything with the EU is very introvert. Europeans are much more interested in focusing on the EU project than going off to some African country. It's much easier to look the other way and hope it all goes away, or at least that it is not covered by the media. My guess is Europe will do it the conventional way: dump a shitload of money on humanitarian aid and try to get African peacekeepers to do the work on the ground. It's a question if there are even resources to send any considerable force to Sudan. Britain is playing in the sand dunes of Iraq. France + others are running around in Congo.

Which leaves nobody to support a UN intervention. I think we all know that we can exclude Russia, China, India and a bunch of others to take any initiatives.

[ralphwiggum 6]

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/07/24/sudan/index.html

Quote[/b] ]KHARTOUM, Sudan -- Sudan's foreign minister has rejected a U.S. Congressional declaration that bloodletting in the country's western region of Darfur amounts to genocide.

Foreign Minister Mustafa Osman Ismail insisted his government was doing all it can to end the conflict in Darfur which so far has killed 30,000 people and forced a million to flee.

On Friday members of the U.S. Congressional Black Caucus called for President Bush's Administration to declare that genocide is taking place in Darfur.

At a news conference, Congressman Donald Payne also called on the United Nations to act.

"We call on the United Nations Security Council to introduce a resolution authorizing the intervention into Darfur. We call on this (Bush) administration to use our intelligence assets to expose those responsible for genocide," he said.

So far neither the Bush administration nor the U.N. has said the conflict is genocide -- a step which would authorize other nations to intervene under international law.

Foreign minister Ismail said that Sudan agrees with the African Union, which has refrained from calling the atrocities genocide, a crime punishable under a 1948 U.N. convention.

"Congress is always biased," Ismail told The Associated Press at the Brussels headquarters for the European Union.

"I would rather say what the Africans who are concerned with this case (are saying)."

"We are cooperating with the U.N.," he added.

U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said last month he was not ready to describe the situation in Darfur "as genocide or ethnic cleansing" but he did call it "a tragic humanitarian situation" and raised the possibility of international intervention.

Arab militias have killed up to 30,000 people in Darfur, most of them black Africans, and driven over one million from their homes since the conflict began last year.

On Saturday, Australia's defense minister said that U.N. officials had approached his country about contributing troops to a U.N. mission to Darfur.

"We are contemplating whether to make a contribution," Defense Minister Robert Hill told AP.

"It would be relatively modest and we haven't made a final decision. He said the troops of interest to the United Nations included medics and engineers.

In Britain, the head of the army, Sir Mike Jackson, said his forces would be ready if called upon.

Chief of the General Staff Jackson told the BBC a brigade of 5,000 soldiers could be ready and fully equipped if the Tony Blair government decided to send troops in.

Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir on Friday rejected international pressure on his country.

"The international concern over Darfur is actually a targeting of the Islamic state in Sudan," Bashir told a public meeting south of Khartoum.

U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard said it was up to the signatories of the genocide convention to decide if action should be taken on Sudan and whether to raise the issue with the U.N. Security Council or the International Criminal Court.

"Those are the options open, and we're just waiting to see whether any member state decides to take one of those options," he said Friday in New York.

Congress approved resolutions late Thursday declaring that atrocities unfolding in Darfur are genocide, and urged the Bush administration to do the same.

Passed unanimously in the House and Senate, the measures urged President George W. Bush to call the situation in Sudan "by its rightful name" and urge his administration work with the international community to stop it.

Human rights groups expressed hope the actions would lead to international action to stop the slaughter.

"There have clearly been massive atrocities committed against civilians, but genocide requires a particular intent that's not easy to prove," Leslie Lefkow, an Amsterdam-based researcher with Human Rights Watch, told the Associated Press.

The New York-based rights group has called the violence "ethnic cleansing" but not "genocide."

"Whatever you call it... this is just an appalling human rights situation that needs to be addressed," Lefkow said.

"The international community should be responding to it and putting the absolute maximum pressure to see some improvement."

Meeting with Ismail late Friday, EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana took the Sudanese foreign minister to task for not acting quick enough on U.N. demands to disarm the Arab militias, EU officials said.

The United States, the European Union and humanitarian groups accuse the Sudanese government of backing the Janjaweed militias -- a claim Sudan denies.

Secretary of State Colin Powell said Thursday that more reports from the region were needed before a determination could be made on whether the killings amount to genocide.

But he called the situation a "humanitarian catastrophe" and urged Sudan to act quickly to disarm the Arab militias.

Earlier this month the African Union pressed Sudan to "neutralize" the Arab militiamen but said they did not consider the atrocities to be genocide.

Amnesty International also has not used the term "genocide" but welcomed the Congressional initiative as a way to raise awareness and persuade other governments, especially those in Africa, to put more pressure on the Sudanese government.

"There is a potential for it to be genocide, but to date we don't have enough access or information to confirm that," Amnesty spokesman Adotei Akwei said.

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British Troops on Sudan Standby

Quote[/b] ]BRITISH TROOPS ON STANDBY

The Army has confirmed five thousand British troops are on standby to travel to Sudan if the crisis there continues.

As many as 30,000 people have died in the past 15 months of conflict in the western region of Darfur, and a million have been displaced.

While most want to return home, Sky's Stuart Ramsay said that not everybody wants to leave the camps.

He reported that those in the camps, which are growing all the time, are depending on the political situation.

Government ministers refuse to accept responsibility for the increasing uncertainty around the camps.

Many people are refusing to leave the camps because they do not trust the government, the police or the army.

The United Nations has declared the situation in Darfur the world's worst humanitarian crisis but has not called it a genocide, which would force it to take action.

After a long conflict between Arab nomads and black African farmers, rebel groups launched a revolt in February 2003.

The militias, known as Janjaweed, went on the rampage, driving black Africans into barren desert.

The UN estimates that at least 30,000 people and displaced more than a million, many of them driven from their homes by the Janjaweed

Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir on Friday has rejected international pressure on his country, saying: "The international

concern over Darfur is actually a targeting of the Islamic state in Sudan.

[BoweryBaker 0]

Isn't there a country in Africa right now that is communist that is having the same problem? The funny thing is, is that the U.S. won't support the civillians there. They should move out the refugees.

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Quote[/b] ]Australia may join Darfur mission

From correspondents in Khartoum

July 28, 2004

AUSTRALIA is considering a United Nations request for military personnel to join a mission to the strife-torn region of Darfur, in Sudan.

The UN has made a request for help in the fields of medical, engineering, and air transport.

Australia will not send infantry troops, although a small number of specialist soldiers might be deployed as a security detachment.

Sudan has threatened to greet any international troops with force and today put its government institutions on alert as it vowed to face any foreign intervention in the Darfur region.

"The government will appropriately deal with any soldier who sets foot on Sudanese territory," Agriculture Minister Majzub al-Khalifa Ahmed told reporters after an emergency cabinet meeting........

From: http://www.news.com.au/common....00.html

Quote[/b] ]Downer ready to send troops to Sudan

By Mark Forbes

Foreign Affairs Correspondent

Canberra

July 26, 2004

Australia is ready to send troops into Sudan to help prevent further killings and avoid a looming humanitarian disaster, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer says.

The Federal Government was prepared to contribute to "more vigorous" international engagement in Sudan and "there's a good chance that we will send some troops", he said.

In a joint statement yesterday with his New Zealand counterpart Phil Goff, Mr Downer said he was "appalled and outraged by the humanitarian and human rights disaster now taking place in the Darfur region of Sudan".

He blamed Sudan's Government for failing to take action against the Janjaweed militia. Up to 50,000 people have been slaughtered by militia groups and more than 1 million displaced.

Dispatching Australian troops was being considered, but only a small number would be sent, Mr Downer said. The appropriate resolutions would need to be passed by the UN, he said.

"We will do what we can to ease the suffering of the people of Sudan," Mr Downer said

From: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/25/1090693836939.html

[Balschoiw 0]

The EU is gathering infos for a military intervention also. A mix of humanitarian and sheltering mission. The upcoming rain-period in Sudan is a big danger for the people in the cmaps and the efforts to provide food and medication to them.

We have to act very quick now, so an UN initiative can´t be waited for. The deciding process with the UN will just take too long. With focus on Iraq for the last 2 years UN just had no options to take the Sudan crisis in the right spotlight. Now that it´s almost too late they took it up but decisions will probably not be made until september wich means another delay.

A promising alternative right now is a quick response from the EU combined with russian forces. That would be possible and is discussed.

In the longterm it´s important to show the Sudanese government that they can´t go on like that, that means military engagement there. USA is not capable of this, but RRF´s are ready to do so. While USA sends 5000 soldiers to Athens for guarding their sportsteam the EU will most probably send troops to Sudan.

I hope it´s done quick. And I hope I´ll get there.

[Longinius 1]

Quote[/b] ]I hope it´s done quick. And I hope I´ll get there.

I hope so to, for the Sudanese peoples sake.

[Ironsight 1]

I hope it´s done quick. And I hope I´ll get there.

Balschoiw are you still hoping to get there after reading this?

CNN.com

Quote[/b] ]Sudan 'will fight foreign troops'

Tuesday, July 27, 2004 Posted: 12:07 PM EDT (1607 GMT)

KHARTOUM, Sudan -- Sudan will retaliate against international troops if they are sent to intervene in the troubled Darfur region, Khartoum's foreign minister has said.

"We are not looking for confrontation and we hope that we will not be pushed," Mustafa Osman Ismail told reporters during a visit to Turkey on Tuesday.

But "if we are being attacked, definitely we are not going to sit silent, we will retaliate," he said.

Also Tuesday, Sudan's Cabinet condemned the idea of international troops intervening in Darfur, saying the country could solve its own problems.

"The government expressed its absolute denunciation of the deployment of (foreign) troops in Darfur and affirmed that Sudan is capable of solving its conflicts by itself," The Associated Press quoted a Cabinet statement as saying.

The statement followed an extraordinary meeting chaired by Vice President Ali Osman Mohammed Taha. President Omar el-Bashir is abroad.

Full article

I do hope this doesn't scare countries of, and that someone is going to stop the slaughter in Darfur

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Balschoiw are you still hoping to get there after reading this?

Yes sure. I´m used to opposition

If they do attack any contingent they and their slaughter-supporting government will have some really nice days. That´s my promise.

[Ironsight 1]

Quote[/b] ]Balschoiw are you still hoping to get there after reading this?

Yes sure. I´m used to opposition  

If they do attack any contingent they and their slaughter-supporting government will have some really nice days. That´s my promise.

I am just asking myself what the hell they are thinking? Do they think some third world crap army can fight against an invasion by superior foreign troops?