Us presidential election 2004

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]billybob2002, you are apparently pro-Bush, so I'd like your opinion on three things:

1) War on Iraq - no WMDs have been found which was the primary reason for the war. The place is in total chaos etc

Do you think that Bush has done a good job?

2) "War on Terror". Osama bin Laden and most of his merry men are still alive and well. During 2002 and 2003 there has been a big number of successful AQ terrorist attacks around the world. Do you think that Bush has done a good job?

3) The global economy is recovering as is Americas. What is not recovering is the US government economy. There is a record budget deficit and the state's debt is at an all time high. Do you think that Bush had done a good job?

I'm currently pro-Bush but this can change. (look at Albert's response because I agree with it for the most part)

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Did Bush divulge his entire record?

Two wrongs make a right?

Quote[/b] ]Since when is having a "liberal" voting record and subscribing to a liberal ideology something to be considered a wrongdoing?

I was responding to this quote:

Quote[/b] ]Or like Kerry who you have no clue what he will do as he has no consistency or ideology.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Two wrongs make a right?

then why is Bush campaign constantly talking about Kerry's record, while not releasing any info about Alabama era in Bush's service record, or how he ended up getting in to the NG?

if this divulge of record is 'a mud slinging' then shouldn't it be avoided by Bush campaign to be so thus not used?

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]so what's wrong with being a liberal?

Liberals and far-right people.....

Moderates (left/right)..............

Quote[/b] ]then why is Bush campaign constantly talking about Kerry's record, while not releasing any info about Alabama era in Bush's service record, or how he ended up getting in to the NG?

Kerry is/was constantly talking about his military record and he has not release all his info. I heard Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes helped him in to the NG (could be true).

(side-story how my father got in the DC NG)

He said the reason he got in the NG during the mid-60's was because of affirmative action (do not know if true). When he left the NG, his rank was Lieutenant (first or second, I forgot).

[ralphwiggum 6]

Quote[/b] ]so what's wrong with being a liberal?

Liberals and far-right people.....

Moderates (left/right)..............

well, i don't see you criticizing the far-rights

Quote[/b] ]Kerry is/was constantly talking about his military record and he has not release all his info. I heard Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes helped him in to the NG (could be true).

and who made this military record an issue? as i said, May 2003, when GWB decide to show off his NG root.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Lets put it this way. Kerry was in Vietnam. Whether he was a heroic jungle rabbit doesnt play a role here. In contrast to Bush he knows what war is about.

Or to put it differently?

The US hired a cook to repair your truck!  

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]well, i don't see you criticizing the  far-rights

If Kerry was facing a far-righter (Bush is just right in my opinion), I would vote for Kerry.

If Kerry wins, would Hillary Clinton be mad because many people are pointing that she will run in '08.  

[ralphwiggum 6]

hillary, if she runs for presidency, would not be making false steps. she is a smart politician and knows that abandoning her Senate postion for presidential candidate is not going to be a good move.

and it's been awhile back, but where are those republicans who claimed that Hillary would be this year's presidential candidate for 2004 election?

Quote[/b] ]If Kerry was facing a far-righter (Bush is just right in my opinion), I would vote for Kerry.

political spectrum is less of an issue for me, and policies are more important for me to choose a candidate, and Bush is not doing well in that light either. of course, political ideology dictates policies, but i'd say there are enough balancing of realism that usually offsets such ideological leaning.

[billybob2002 0]

Kerry finally releases his medical record

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tm....cords_3

[ralphwiggum 6]

Kerry finally releases his medical record

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tm....cords_3

now my brother. let's join the fight to have Bush release all of his records!

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

hillary, if she runs for presidency, would not be making false steps. she is a smart politician and knows that abandoning her Senate postion for presidential candidate is not going to be a good move.

and it's been awhile back, but where are those republicans who claimed that Hillary would be this year's presidential candidate for 2004 election?

Quote[/b] ]If Kerry was facing a far-righter (Bush is just right in my opinion), I would vote for Kerry.

political spectrum is less of an issue for me, and policies are more important for me to choose a candidate, and Bush is not doing well in that light either. of course, political ideology dictates policies, but i'd say there are enough balancing of realism that usually offsets such ideological leaning.

shes a lady isnt she?   I would turn into a white-house fan if she would become the next president. just my 2 cents!

Kerry suffers from

Quote[/b] ]a skin rash and a minor urinary tract infection during his four years in the Navy.

holy shxx now we dont have to know everything. This is not the Lewinski-impeachment!

Quote[/b] ]Kerry got his first Purple Heart after he got shrapnel in his left arm above his elbow. Doyle noted that if the shrapnel had hit Kerry in the eye, it could have blinded him

[raedor 8]

hillary, if she runs for presidency, would not be making false steps. she is a smart politician and knows that abandoning her Senate postion for presidential candidate is not going to be a good move.

and it's been awhile back, but where are those republicans who claimed that Hillary would be this year's presidential candidate for 2004 election?

Quote[/b] ]If Kerry was facing a far-righter (Bush is just right in my opinion), I would vote for Kerry.

political spectrum is less of an issue for me, and policies are more important for me to choose a candidate, and Bush is not doing well in that light either. of course, political ideology dictates policies, but i'd say there are enough balancing of realism that usually offsets such ideological leaning.

shes a lady isnt she? I would turn into a white-house fan if she would become the next president. just my 2 cents!

Kerry suffers from

Quote[/b] ]a skin rash and a minor urinary tract infection during his four years in the Navy.

holy shxx now we dont have to know everything. This is not the Lewinski-impeachment!

hehe, this time we won't get a woman as president in germany... merkel for president! *loool*

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]political spectrum is less of an issue for me, and policies are more important for me to choose a candidate, and Bush is not doing well in that light either. of course, political ideology dictates policies, but i'd say there are enough balancing of realism that usually offsets such ideological leaning.

Totally agree.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]now my brother. let's join the fight to have Bush release all of his records!

From the link:

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The Kerry campaign allowed 19 reporters who travel with Kerry to talk to his doctor and view the medical file for about 30 minutes. Reporters had to sign the file in and out and were not allowed to take a copy.

Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter noted that the 30-minute review was 10 minutes longer than reporters had with President Bush (news - web sites)'s military medical files. She said the campaign will not release the record to the public because "we don't consider this information to be public in the first place."

It is not the time...

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Fair enough, he got wounded by enemy fire. But to call him a war hero, like the press did in the past is ridiculous. This is what in my eyes is the score of a war hero (Hans Ulrich Rudel)

519 russian tanks

1 battleship

1 detroyer

70 landing boats

800+ motorized vehicles

150+ Artillery -, Pak and anti-aircraft positions

9 air victories (7 hunters, 2 battle airplanes Il 2)

...and many shelters, bridges and supply lines.

[ralphwiggum 6]

then let's have Bush have extra 10 minutes!

[Koolkid101 0]

I don't want a golddigger who golddug a golddigger as President, if I wanted a Dem. I'd pick Senator Liberman, who btw is a very nice person unlike Kerry. But if I could vote I'd vote Libertarian cause well I'm from vermont.

[EiZei 0]

Oh yeah, like american political spectrum wasn't narrow enough already.

[denoir 0]

Hughes blasts Kerry's Vietnam comments [CNN]

Quote[/b] ]One of President Bush's closest confidants challenged Sen. John Kerry on Sunday to further explain comments he made in 1971 that he participated in "atrocities" in Vietnam.

The presumptive Democratic nominee has since said that he regrets using such language.

"I wish we knew a little bit more about that," Karen Hughes, the former White House communications director, said on CNN's "Late Edition."

"Did he think he did commit them or not? And who else did? And what was he really saying? Was he totally exaggerating? Was he making it up? I think the press ought to follow some line of inquiry about that."

Kerry campaign spokesman Phil Singer called Hughes' comments "misleading," adding that "we will stand toe-to-toe with [bush] on our military service any day of the week."

In an interview on NBC's "Meet The Press" last Sunday, Kerry was asked about statements he made about Vietnam War atrocities during an interview with the same program in 1971, when he was a leader in the antiwar movement:

"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed, in that I took part in shootings in free-fire zones, I conducted harassment and interdiction fire, I used .50-caliber machine guns which were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages," Kerry said in 1971.

Kerry told NBC last week that his use of the word "atrocity" was "inappropriate" and that the language he had used "reflected an anger. It was honest, but it was in anger. It was a little bit excessive."

He also said he never intended to cast a negative light on the soldiers with whom he served.

In 1971, Kerry also testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and recited a litany of atrocities and war crimes he said had been reported to him by other soldiers.

He said those included rapes, mutilations, torture and random shootings of civilians. He did not claim to have personally witnessed or been involved in such acts.

During the presidential campaign, Kerry's comments from three decades ago have been fodder for conservative talk radio and have drawn fire from some of his fellow veterans, who say they can't forgive the stigma attached to his words.

Bush campaign officials -- who have had to handle persistent questions about the president's National Guard service during the war -- have largely steered clear of the topic, preferring to focus on Kerry's Senate votes on national security issues.

But Hughes, who remains a close political adviser to Bush even though she is no longer on the White House staff, waded into the dispute.

"I remember watching Senator Kerry, back when he was against the war, when he came home, and I was very troubled by the kind of allegations that he hurled against his fellow veterans, saying that they were guilty of all kinds of atrocities," said Hughes, the daughter of a retired Army officer who served in three wars, including Vietnam.

"As someone whose father was over there fighting, I don't appreciate that. I resent that. I know my father was not guilty of any atrocities, and I really find that that's an irresponsible kind of charge to make."

She also took exception to Kerry's actions during a protest in the early 1970s in which veterans opposed to the war threw away their medals.

Kerry, who was awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts in Vietnam, says he threw away only his ribbons, not the actual medals.

"He only pretended to throw his. Now, I can understand if, out of conscience, you take a principled stand, and you would decide that you were so opposed to this that you would actually throw your medals. But to pretend to do so -- I think that's very revealing," she said.

Responding to Hughes' comments, Singer said she "confirmed her membership in the right-wing smear machine today with her misleading attacks."

"John Kerry's courage on the battlefield clearly has Karen Hughes and the Bush team nervous about the fact that neither George Bush nor Dick Cheney ever served in Vietnam," Singer said in a statement.

"It is unforgivable to take cheap shots at heroes like John Kerry, a man who put himself in the line of fire without thinking twice about it."

(emphasis added)

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Let me guess..the next complain from TBA about Kerrys Vietnam record will be about him having participated in one of these civil slaughters of vietnamese farmers.  

[billybob2002 0]

Kerry cannot escape

http://abcnews.go.com/section....-1.html

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Discarded Decorations

Videotape Contradicts John Kerry’s Own Statements Over Vietnam Medals

April 26 — Contradicting his statements as a candidate for president, Sen. John Kerry claimed in a 1971 television interview that he threw away as many as nine of his combat medals to protest the war in Vietnam.

"I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine medals," Kerry said in an interview on a Washington, D.C., news program on WRC-TV called Viewpoints on Nov. 6, 1971, according to a tape obtained by ABCNEWS.

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Throughout his presidential campaign, Kerry has denied that he threw away any of his medals during an anti-war protest in April 1971.

Calling it a "phony controversy" instigated by the Republican party, Kerry said on Good Morning America today that he has always accurately said what took place. "I threw my ribbons. I didn't have my medals. It is very simple."

He also said he — and the military — didn't make a distinction between medals and ribbons. "We threw away the symbols of what our country gave us for what we had gone through," he said.

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But Kerry told a much different story on Viewpoints. Asked about the anti-war veterans who threw their medals away, Kerry said "they decided to give them back to their country."

Kerry was asked if he gave back the Bronze Star, Silver Star and three Purple Hearts he was awarded for combat duty as a Navy lieutenant in Vietnam. "Well, and above that, gave back the others," he said.

The statement directly contradicts Kerry's most recent claims on the disputed subject to the Los Angeles Times last Friday. "I never ever implied that I did it, " Kerry told the newspaper, responding to the question of whether he threw away his medals in protest.

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But in 1984, when he first ran for the U.S. Senate, Kerry revealed he still had his medals. According to a Boston Globe report on April 15, 1984, union officials had expressed uneasiness with Kerry's candidacy because he had thrown his medals away. Kerry acknowledged the medals he threw away were, in fact, another soldier's medals. He reportedly invited a union official home to personally inspect his Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, awarded for his combat duty as a Navy lieutenant.

In the 1971 Viewpoints interview, he made no mention of the ribbons or the medals belonging to another veteran.

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Eight years later in 1996, Kerry said while he did throw out his ribbons, he didn't throw out his own medals because he "didn't have time to go home [to New York] and get them," he told The Boston Globe.

[walker 0]

Hi all

I wonder if serving soldiers especialy in Iraq will be happy to see the lengths TBA and its cronies or supporters will go to smear one of their own. Especialy when they consider the same tactics may be used on them by members of the same Rich Mans clique of TBA and other neo conservatives.

Attacking a soldier like this will not enamour the millitary famlies to a bunch con artists like TBA. Pigs swim in the mud but so it seems does TBA and its piglets.

Kind Regards Walker

[EiZei 0]

Seriously, is this the worst the GOP can come up with? Kerry has much worse qualities and yet they settle for this?

[Winters 1]

I don't want a golddigger who golddug a golddigger as President, if I wanted a Dem. I'd pick Senator Liberman, who btw is a very nice person unlike Kerry. But if I could vote I'd vote Libertarian cause well I'm from vermont.

Lieberman would make sure you never got to play another video game. Ever.

[WhoCares 0]

Seriously, is this the worst the GOP can come up with? Kerry has much worse qualities and yet they settle for this?

Even more strange - everytime they bring up Kerrys military record people will compare it with Bushs record - or whatever there is considered to be a record...

[denoir 0]

Seriously, is this the worst the GOP can come up with? Kerry has much worse qualities and yet they settle for this?

Even more strange - everytime they bring up Kerrys military record people will compare it with Bushs record - or whatever there is considered to be a record...

Yeah, it could not be more funny. Republicans are military fetishists by ideology and they have a bit of a hard time reconciling with the fact that Bush has nothing while Kerry can show off. I'm quite enjoying their predicament