Us presidential election 2004

[Acecombat 0]

Hahaha

They have to PS Kerry in pics , too bad unlike Bush where you dont even have to edit the real ones

[theavonlady 2]

They have to PS Kerry in pics

I have no idea what you're blabbering about.

[Badgerboy 0]

Avonlady, I'm not focusing on just one party, its the actions of both parties that disgust me. Its not a way to run a democratic election. I've seen cleaner more civilised elections held in primary schools.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

The Guardian

I dont know if anyone posted this before but... it is damn funny!

Okay let me explain it. The guardian recently published a list with adresses of potential voters. British citizens could then ask for these details and call / write to them to push them to participate in the election.

[denoir 0]

The Guardian

I dont know if anyone posted this before but... it is damn funny!

Okay let me explain it. The guardian recently published a list with adresses of potential voters. British citizens could then ask for these details and call / write to them to push them to participate in the election.

We had a bunch of pages of discussion on this a while ago.

[Acecombat 0]

You dont know about PS avon? Just because you dont understand something , it doesnt makes it blabber.

[theavonlady 2]

You dont know about PS avon? Just because you dont understand something , it doesnt makes it blabber.

LOL! Of course I know what Photoshop is.

Don't you know what sarcasm is?

[billybob2002 0]

http://www.thisislondon.com/news....tandard

Quote[/b] ]

Pundits claim Kerry is dodging interviews

By Joe Murphy Political Editor, Evening Standard

27 October 2004

John Kerry was today hit by accusations he is running scared from being interviewed.

The latest high-profile journalist to complain that the Democrat is avoiding cross-examination is Bob Woodward, the Pulitzer Prize-winning Watergate reporter.

Bill O'Reilly, the veteran Fox News political presenter, has resorted to running an "almost Kerry interview" in which he questions academics and pundits because the politician refuses to appear on his show.

Mr Woodward, whose newspaper the Washington Post this week endorsed the Kerry campaign, revealed he has been seeking an interview since June without success. He blamed "risk-averse" nerves on the part of the Kerry team for the refusal. One of America's most revered journalists, he even took the unusual step of sending his list of 22 questions in advance, in the hope Mr Kerry would feel more confident about answering.

He pointed out that President Bush gave him three and a half hours of interview time for his best-selling book on the Iraq War, Plan of Attack. He wanted Mr Kerry to explain how he would have fought the war differently. "I interviewed President Bush and he answered hundreds of detailed questions," said Mr Woodward. "I wanted to come up with parallel questions that would tell us how Kerry would function."

He thought Mr Kerry's refusal was because he did not want to take risks. "What's to gain? There's a downside every time a candidate opens his mouth." Last month Mr Kerry stepped up his criticism of the Bush war strategy and declared: "I would've done almost everything differently."

Mr Woodward then sent his detailed questions asking how he would have acted differently. At that point, Mr Kerry decided not to do the interview. "The senator and his campaign have since decided not to do the interview, though his advisers say Kerry would have strong and compelling answers," said Mr Woodward.

Mr O'Reilly said he had been seeking a Kerry interview since July and had been turned down repeatedly, although President Bush had appeared on his show.

He added he wanted to challenge the Democrat on how he would pay for health care plans. "I think the senator has got to answer these questions before next Tuesday."

The accusation Mr Kerry is shunning difficult questions came as he attacked Mr Bush for being "silent" on awkward issues including reports of 380 tonnes of missing explosives in Iraq.

Lets see....

Bush gave a interview to Bill and Bob. Why does not Kerry want(ed) to do a interview?

Anyway, on the university front, it seems the College Republicans are going to the battleground states this weekend to support Bush. College Democrats, who are more visible, have on sale anti-bush shirts. I notice people wear them. The Badnarik supporters are telling us that he will drop the Iraqi people or something.

Have not seen any socialist political crap but their is a socialist group on campus. Woot! Black Liberation Socialism (which is apart of the socialist group) or something. Should of asked for the literature they were trying to hand to me...

Lastly, BUSH 2004.

[kerosene 0]

Don't you know what sarcasm is?

I know its usually wasted on this board

Why should Kerry go on O'Reillys show, he's completley biased and O'Reilly couldnt interview Bush objectivley (not that he would have got the interview if he could/did), He could do a lot of damage just spouting off crap a few days before the election. Although he and FOX generally seem to have toned it down over the last, mabye, 2 months.

[theavonlady 2]

Don't you know what sarcasm is?

I know its usually wasted on this board

LOL!

True.

[billybob2002 0]

Intel officer has found something...

http://slate.msn.com/id/2108561/

Quote[/b] ]

Political Poseur

Pretending to be a Republican in Blue California.

By Richard Rushfield

Posted Friday, Oct. 22, 2004, at 10:42 AM PT

I live solidly in "Blue" to-its-core Venice, Calif., a neighborhood so left-wing that anyone spotted in a Bush button is more likely to be a costumed trick-or-treater than an actual GOP voter.

As a political and journalistic experiment, I decided to see how people who live in primarily one-party areas would react when faced with a living, breathing member of the opposition. I appointed myself an ambassador to bridge the Red-Blue divide and ventured into each side's territory dressed in the T-shirt, campaign button, and tote bag of the other. (A baseball cap, I decided, pushed the ensemble one step over the line, making me look a raving nut about to start yelling obscenities.)

For four days, I wandered Republican areas in a Kerry-Edwards shirt and button and loitered in the heart of Democratic country in styles by Bush-Cheney '04. I treated each foray as a run-of-the-mill busy day—visiting malls, stores, restaurants, coffee shops, and parks. I didn't try to provoke the opposition; I simply lived an active consumer's life while dressed in a great big Bush or Kerry T-shirt. I avoided any specifically political place, such as campaign headquarters, and any venue where politics would likely be discussed, such as churches or bookstores. The idea was not to see how people would deal with overt opposition but how the mere existence of a political opponent would be tolerated. And so, campaign logo on my chest, and no small amount of mortal terror in my heart, I sallied forth to see if political freedom would pass the T-shirt test in our two Americas, Red and Blue.

In Kerry-Edwards attire

Red

My journey to Red America carries me to the antipodes of today's Republicanism. I first visit Newport Beach, Orange County's last bastion of wealthy white country-club Republicans (population, 70,032; 94 percent white; 61.6 percent registered Republican; median household income $111,166). I then travel to Bakersfield, the heart of California's agricultural Central Valley two hours northeast of Los Angeles (population 247,057; 69 percent white and 29.4 percent Hispanic; 49.2 percent registered Republican; median household income $39,468). To give you a sense of the lion's den I was entering: In 2000, Bakersfield voted 60.8 percent Republican versus 41 percent statewide.

In my Kerry-Edwards shirt, I enter Red America certain that I am on the verge of inciting to rage a gang of angry yachtsmen who would soon be strapping me and my lefty leisurewear to their mizzenmast. Instead, I encounter only shades of indifference—head shaking, "crazy idiot" expressions from older, very wealthy, very white folks in Newport Beach; terse nods from the middle- to working-class citizens of Bakersfield, which seem to indicate that people here have much bigger things to worry about than whatever is on my stupid T-shirt. In Bakersfield, surprisingly, there's little indication that we are near the eve of an election: I see a total of two campaign bumper stickers, one for Bush and one Kerry, and one elderly lady with a huge Bush button pinned to the jacket of her pantsuit. Despite a recent visit from Dick Cheney, presidential politics seems to have bypassed Bakersfield, and the locals are not about to let a mere T-shirt drag them into the muck.

Toward the end of the day, I find one person on whom the election has a deep hold. Strolling past a sunglasses booth in the mall, I am spotted by a tall and exceedingly thin man in his early 20s, with a buzz cut that makes him look ominously like a shock-therapy patient. As I walk by, he fixates on my shirt and begins to follow me, seemingly mesmerized by the power of my Kerry-Edwards logo. I look back and see him trailing behind me, mouth agape, his eyes glued to my back. Whether the shirt identifies me as his leader or whether it is his Manchurian Candidate-like signal to kill, I can't tell. I duck into the mall's Starbucks and the spell seems to break; he turns and wanders away.

In Bush-Cheney garb

Blue

In Los Angeles' gentrifying-as-fast-as-we-can Hipstervill—aka the Silverlake/Los Feliz area on the city's eastside—there are more coffeehouses and alternative bookstores than churches. Here, aging, unemployed bohemians with long, matted hair, tinted sunglasses, and affectedly dour expressions skulk along the midafternoon streets as though they have just rolled out of bed. (They probably have.)

Dressed to impress in my Bush-Cheney T-shirt, tote bag, and "W." button, I first stop at Silverlake's Über-cafe, the Coffee Table. "The Table," as it is known, is the daytime HQ for the area's writing community—the bed-headed brigades of aspiring indie auteurs who hunch over their laptops, whispering pitches back and forth like state secrets. I stand in line for a soda; my T-shirt first makes contact with the locals as the server, a rather prim-looking Asian-American man, double-takes at my unabashedly partisan display, his smile freezing into a look I can only describe as bracing for me to pull out an assault weapon and open fire. I order, pay, and walk with my Diet Coke through the restaurant, taking a seat on the patio that puts me and my garb on prominent display for the 20 or so patrons. A wave of distressed glances ripples in my direction, but I remain unmolested. Yet as I finish my soda, two hipsters saunter past. One of them, untucked shirt hanging over his jeans, gapes at my shirt and mutters, "Asshole," only slightly under his breath.

Next up: Café Tropical, the gritty Cuban coffee house in old Silverlake. I park my Bush-Cheney festooned car behind a Volvo station wagon decorated with a bumper sticker that reads, "Ban war without end. Not in our name." I order an iced espresso and sit beneath a collage of Che Guevara photos. Customers accessorize their coffees at the condiment station in front of me. Suddenly I look up to see Latino man, who appears to be in his early 40s, rushing toward me, an enormous grin on his face. "Where do you get that shirt?" he demands. He continues: "I know only three Republicans here. Everyone else loves Kerry. The Spanish language TV is so filled with bias. They don't tell you that Mr. Bush is a gentleman." People standing nearby watch our summit with anguished there-goes-the-neighborhood expressions. As my new friend leaves, he stands at the front door and, raising his fist, yells, "Viva Bush!" Spasms of horror seize the store and pulse out to the community beyond.

Slinking away, I stroll down Irony Row; a two-block stretch of Sunset Blvd. filled with boutiques peddling vintage 1970s lunch boxes, summer-camp T-shirts, and baby-doll dresses for grown women. So steeped are its denizens in the culture of irony that almost everyone thinks my shirt is a hilarious joke. As I browse through the Vice magazine store, a pair of girls giggles at me. One of them comments, "I've never seen that one before." A 40ish man dressed in cargo shorts, flamboyant sunglasses, and a Lance Armstrong bracelet sees my shirt and bursts out laughing. "Way to go, man!" he says, giving me a thumbs up. Then, as I walk into a wacky gift shop, I hear a shriek. The woman behind the counter throws up her hands in mock horror, "Oh no! Bush-Cheney! In Silverlake!" she cackles, feigning horror at my hilarious costume, as if humoring a child on Halloween.

On Vermont Avenue, irony fades into gentrification. A fashionably dressed woman seated at a sidewalk table makes a disgusted face at the sight of me. On line at Psychobabble coffee house, another woman in a blue velour tracksuit rolls her eyes and grimaces at me with undisguised hatred. Realizing there are no seats but the one next to me, she stares intently into her cup, avoiding my polluting glance, until another table opens and she quickly relocates. Out on the avenue once again, I am gifted with my second "Asshole" of the day, this time muttered by a young man with bright dyed raspberry hair.

The next day, I head to Brentwood, the lush epicenter of modern limousine liberalism and the hillside home of left-leaning Hollywood. This is where activists like Norman Lear and Laurie David live; a few months in residence here and Arianna Huffington dropped Newt Gingrich like a hot tamale to become a paragon of "progressive" politics.

I enter the faux-rustic Brentwood Country Mart, a collection of shops intended to look like an olde-time barnyard. On the central patio, I pass a woman who looks up from her gaggle of children to see me passing and exclaims, "Ick! God!" A group of teen skater boys waiting on line to buy the Mart's famed "Chicken Basket" discuss whether Bush will be removed from office by the time they turn 18, thus saving them from the draft. I sit down to eat. Dining nearby is a young girl who looks to be about 6 years old; she gazes at my shirt with a look so forlorn, I expect to learn that Dick Cheney just stole her crayons. Her mother arrives and gives her a hug of consolation. The girl starts to talk, but I can only make out "Bush shirt," which she says to her mother as she points my way. The mother turns and glares, shaking her head at me. I start to wonder what sort of person I am to inflict this on a poor child.

Up in the San Vicente shopping area, things go even less smoothly. At the first intersection, an older man in the weekend wear of the very prosperous passes me and yells, "Bush-Cheney?!?" as though demanding an explanation. At the Coral Tree Organic Café, a willowy, bookish woman seated alone glares at me from across the room. When I smile and wave to her, she puts on her sunglasses.

Driving home, I rip off my Bush-Cheney shirt so I can walk the streets of my neighborhood unjeered at and without terrifying little children. Reflecting on the sting of being called "asshole" during my travels through Blue America, I wonder: If I were truly a Bush supporter, how long would I be able to endure a life filled with epithets before I gave up on the shirt? Changing into a nonpartisan brown Gap polo, I breathe a sigh of relief that I will never have to find out.

Richard Rushfield is a Los Angeles based journalist. He edits the LA Innuendo, a satirical review of local culture and co-authors the "Intelligence Report" for Vanity Fair.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Lets see....

Bush gave a interview to Bill and Bob. Why does not Kerry want(ed) to do a interview?

yeah wondering why Bush never bothered to talke to NAACP this year like last few years, have not apperaed on The Dialy Show(?) with John Stewart...

[EiZei 0]

Lets see....

Bush gave a interview to Bill and Bob. Why does not Kerry want(ed) to do a interview?

yeah wondering why Bush never bothered to talke to NAACP this year like last few years, have not apperaed on The Dialy Show(?) with John Stewart...

I would pay for seeing that.

"Dont mean to confuse you mr. president.. BUT WHAT THE FUCK?"

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]yeah wondering why Bush never bothered to talke to NAACP this year like last few years, have not apperaed on The Dialy Show(?) with John Stewart...

Lets toss out Bill but what about Bob Woodward, the Pulitzer Prize-winning Watergate reporter?

[shinRaiden 0]

Quote[/b] ]Apparently georgewbush.com is no longer accessible for pinko europeans anymore, oh well.

Netcraft report

This is a candidate's web site, not any 'official' elections board site. You don't go there to vote etc, it is only really relevant to the party structure.

for overseas slackers who didn't value their citizenship enough to keep tabs on their stateside elections boards and find out how to request and submit a ballot, that's not the campaign's responsibility. Same thing goes for for stateside slackers as well.

I suspect that the Bush Campaign anticipates targeted dDoS attacks over the next few days, and that's why they are blocking foriegn access, as that is an increasing amount of ddos attacks are originating from.

[billybob2002 0]

A fact:

Everytime that the Washington Redskins (american football for your non-americans) won their last home game before the election, the incumbent party has won. I would not take it has a grain of salt because this streak started all the back in 1936.

The team they are playing are the Green Bay Packers.

1936-won Roosevelt wins(D)

1940-won Rosevelt wins(D)

1944-won Rosevelt wins(D)

1948-won Truman(D)

1952-loss Eisenhower R beats Truman

1956-won Eisenhower wins

1956-loss Kenndey (D) beats VP Nixon R

1964-won Johnson (D) wins

1968-loss Nixon R beats Johnson (D)

1972-won Nixon wins

1976-loss Carter (D) beats Ford R

1980-loss Reagan R beats Carter (D)

1984-won Reagan wins

1988-won VP Bush R beats Dukakis (D)

1992-loss Clinton (D) beats Bush R

1996-won Clinton (D) beats Dole R

2000-loss W. R beats Gore (D)

[theavonlady 2]

Quote[/b] ]Tied Presidential Election Could Be Mother of All Messes

2 hours, 6 minutes ago

By Joanne Kenen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A freak tie result in the presidential election could mean the House of Representatives would choose the next president, a scenario that would favor Republican incumbent George W. Bush.

But since the Senate would decide the vice presidency, Bush could end up with Democrat John Edwards (news - web sites).

If you thought the close 2000 presidential election was a mess, think about what could happen if the 2004 contest ended up as an Electoral College (news - web sites) tie.

There's an outside chance of a tie because of the way the United States elects its president. Voters in 50 states and the District of Columbia select 538 representatives to the Electoral College. A winner needs 270 votes.

Nathan Ritchey, a Youngstown State University mathematician, calculates there's a 3.25 percent chance of a 269-269 tie in the electoral college. The odds have increased since late summer.

"Looking at the 10 closest states, there are 17 ways this can occur -- 17 out of 1,024 possible outcomes," said Ritchey, who has been tracking statistics in this year's contest between Bush and Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) of Massachusetts.

The odds of a tie fluctuates as states move on and off the "battleground" list according to the latest polls. After all, nobody a few months ago saw states like Hawaii, with four electoral votes, or Colorado, with nine, to be in play.

As recently as August, chances for a tie were only 1.4 percent, said Ritchey.

Even if Bush wins on Tuesday by a single electoral vote, there's still the possibility of a hitch.

A small town mayor in West Virginia, who is a Republican elector, may not cast his vote for Bush when the electors convene on Dec. 13.

"Gosh, I just don't know," South Charleston Mayor Richie Robb told Reuters. Robb said he admired the first President Bush (news - web sites) but opposes the son's Iraq (news - web sites) and tax policies. As a Vietnam veteran, he resents the attacks on Kerry's war record.

FAITHLESS ELECTORS

There have been a handful of so-called faithless electors in the last century but none have ever decided the presidency. Robb acknowledged he could find himself in that position, but said a bit nervously, "I don't think it's likely."

Robb is the only possible "faithless elector" who has made his views public.

There is no federal law requiring electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states, but some states do bind electors to popular vote results.

The only previous tie was in 1800 when Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr each got 73 electoral votes. The House chose Jefferson and Burr, under the system then in place, became vice president.

If the Bush-Kerry race tied, Bush would have an advantage in the Republican-dominated House under a system in which each state gets one vote, based on the makeup of its congressional delegation. The House is expected to remain Republican-run on Tuesday.

But should Democrats recapture the Senate, the outcome could be Republican Bush as president and Democrat Edwards as vice president.

After the monthlong dispute over the 2000 race, ultimately decided by the Supreme Court, most of the calls for reform have focused on the mechanics of voting -- the voting machines -- not the system itself.

But another squeaker, or another election in which the winner of the popular vote didn't become president, would probably be unsettling enough to create momentum for at least some change.

"If it does go into the House, people would feel disenfranchised," said Candice Nelson, an elections expert at American University.

University of Florida political scientist Michael Martinez said he has been too preoccupied with the potential mess next week to worry about reform next year.

"It could be anything -- voter fraud in a battleground state, a fight over provisional ballots in Ohio, problems with voting machines in Dade County, Florida -- or all of the above. Or something neither you nor I have even thought of," he said.

[EiZei 0]

Hooray for electoral college?

So what was the reason US has not switched to much more reasonable two-round election system?

Quote[/b] ]

I suspect that the Bush Campaign anticipates targeted dDoS attacks over the next few days, and that's why they are blocking foriegn access, as that is an increasing amount of ddos attacks are originating from.

The server is still responding so DDoS blocking is not the reason unless their administrators are as competent as bushie.

[billybob2002 0]

Another a-hole strikes again.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/

Quote[/b] ]A Florida man has been charged with attempting to run over controversial Republican congresswoman Katherine Harris with his Cadillac. According to the...Sarasota Police Department report, Barry Seltzer, 46, told cops that he was simply exercising his "political expression" when he drove his car at Harris and several supporters, who were campaigning last night at a Sarasota intersection. Seltzer allegedly drove up on a sidewalk and headed directly for Harris before swerving "at the last minute." Harris told officers that "she was afraid for her life and could not move as the vehicle approached her," according to the report. For his part, Seltzer--who's a registered Democrat--told cops, "I intimidated them with the car. They were standing in the street." He added, "I did not run them down, I scared them a little!"

Link to police report:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1027042harris2.html

[BoweryBaker 0]

ZZZZZZZZZ  *steams*  Hmmm.  I see alot of myself in Bush.  Hmmmm.  I guess the fault of the generals wouldn't be his.  Hmmmm.  zzzzzz.  It was a good order to engage.  Hmmmm. It seems foolish to air ones opinion without being asked.  

[Bernadotte 0]

Denoir, I'm curious what your neural net predictor is projecting into the final days.

Neural net projection from 21 Oct:

Actual:

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Denoir, I'm curious what your neural net predictor is projecting into the final days.

Yes, increase your post count....

[BoweryBaker 0]

AHHH HAHAHAHAHA.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]AHHH HAHAHAHAHA.

Are you okay..

[BoweryBaker 0]

Yeah.  Hmmmm.  I gotta see where I went wrong.      In the meantime, these hackers are going to pay dearly. Okay done.