Us presidential election 2004

[Akira 0]

Here's What I Was Looking At

Well for one, look at the right tax reform pdf. You'll notice that one has a lot of "international"s in it. That's because that is dealing with businesses, and especially businesses that outsource.

Try looking at this.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Papa Doc Jeb Bush's third world banana republic of Florida is starting to feel the bite of freedom and democracy but still the anti democratic minions are trying to fix Floridas elections and pulling all their usual tricks to try to halt a fair democratic vote.

Quote[/b] ]JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Nearly a dozen African American ministers and civil rights leaders walked into the Duval County election office here, television cameras in tow, with a list of questions: How come there were not more early voting sites closer to black neighborhoods? How come so many blacks were not being allowed to redo incomplete voter registrations? Who was deciding all this?

Standing across the office counter under a banner that read "Partners in Democracy" was the man who made those decisions, election chief Dick Carlberg. Visibly angry, the Republican explained why he decided the way he had: "We call it the law."

Black leaders said the scene at the supervisor's office last week was reminiscent of a blocked schoolhouse door at the height of desegregation. They charge that GOP officials are deliberately using the law to keep black people off the rolls and hinder them from voting.

Four years ago, ballots cast from black neighborhoods throughout Florida were four times as likely to go uncounted as those from white neighborhoods. Nowhere was the disparity more apparent than in Duval County, where 42 percent of 27,000 ballots thrown out came from four heavily Democratic black precincts.

Despite attempts by Florida officials to prevent a repeat of the controversy that dogged the last presidential election, black leaders said they are concerned that this year new registrations are being rejected for technical errors and that limited accessibility to early polling places could lead to more disputes, roiling Florida and the nation long after Election Day.

Florida, with 27 electoral votes, is again a hotly contested battleground. Democratic organizations, black churches and civil rights groups have embarked on an aggressive get-out-the-vote effort in minority neighborhoods in Duval County and elsewhere in the state.

From the 2000 election to August 2004, nearly 200,000 black voters were added to the rolls in Florida, a 21 percent increase in large part because of registration drives by groups including America Coming Together. Registration by white voters increased almost 6 percent.

Black people overwhelmingly vote Democratic, and Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) has made turning out that vote a key part of his Florida strategy. He and his running mate, Sen. John Edwards (N.C.), have made three campaign trips to Jacksonville alone.

But black leaders said they are worried that the campaigning will not matter if black voters are disenfranchised.

In Duval County, 31,155 black voters had been added to the rolls by the end of last week. That is more than the total number of ballots nullified here four years ago, in a race that George W. Bush won by 537 votes.

But hundreds more could show up at the polls only to find they cannot vote. The office has flagged 1,448 registrations as incomplete, and as of last week had yet to process 11,500 more.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28107-2004Oct12.html

If you live in Florida, the Voter Fraud Hotline might come in handy: 877-868-3737 there are voter Fraud hotlines in other states use them.

Remember to vote this November 2nd that way you can put right the stolen election of 2000. check you are actualy registered. Take friends with you to check too record that you are actualy registered and have it witnessed by your friends.

Vote early if you can check with your party about voting early.

Vote for John F. Kerry and bring the USA back into the fold of democratic nations.

Remember it is democracy you are fighting for.

Kind Regards Walker

[shinRaiden 0]

While you're at it, contact your local elections office to verify that you are not the victim of Identify Fraud and have been illegally registered to vote multiple times and in multiple precincts by paid agents of liberal action groups.

Bulk registrations in Denver

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9News has discovered a record number of fraudulent voter-registrations across the state. Secretary of State Donetta Davidson tells 9News she is concerned about what the I-Team has uncovered and wants those responsible prosecuted. "It has just gone rampant," she told reporter Deborah Sherman in an interview Monday afternoon.

Most of the fraud has come from registration drives, where people at grocery stores or on the streets ask you to sign up. 9News has learned many workers have re-registered voters multiple times by changing or making up information about them. 9News has documented 719 cases of potentially fraudulent forms at county election offices show fraudulent names, addresses, social security numbers or dates of birth in Denver, Douglas, Adams, Boulder and Lake counties. Information from other counties is still coming in.

Some voter registration application forms are completely bogus. Others belong to legitimate voters, who have had one or two facts changed that could affect their registration when they show up at the polls November 2nd. Tom Stanislawski registered to vote six years ago. But this summer, someone signed him up again and changed his party affiliation. "My concern would be I'd walk in November 2nd and be unable to vote," he said.

Some of the registration drive workers earn $2 per application or about $10 an hour. One woman admitted to forging three people's names on about 40 voter registration applications. Kym Cason says she was helping her boyfriend earn more money from a get-out-the-vote organization called ACORN or Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. ACORN works with low or moderate-income families on housing issues. Cason said her extra registrations earned her boyfriend $50.

Avalanche of dubious registrations in Berks co. Penn.

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"In 20 years of politics, I’ve never in my life seen anything like this," said Berks County Deputy Director of Elections Christopher Winters.

County workers and volunteers be-gan working two shifts Tuesday in an effort to get through the estimated 60,000 new applications that came into the board of elections.

...

One organization sent thousands of voter registration forms that were inaccurate with falsified addresses, names and birth dates, according to Scott, who helped in the elections’ office over the weekend.

Scott wants the Berks County district attorney or the state attorney general’s office to review the fraudulent registrations.

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One organization -- Voting is Power -- submitted 2,000 voter registration applications to Berks County.

County officials were tipped off to an article published in the Palm Beach Post on Oct. 8 that claims the group is an offshoot of the Washington-based Muslim American Society.

So they had no idea they were being scammed well over the Dade County 2000 margins until they read it in the daily fishwrap...

Investigations in Florida

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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Theresa LePore vowed to close the Palm Beach County elections office at 5 p.m. Monday, the final day to register to vote in the Nov. 2 election, but a young man who arrived about 15 minutes after the deadline managed to drop off 550 applications on behalf of a group of Muslims determined to oust President George W. Bush.

LePore, no stranger to confrontations, said the man demanded she accept the bundles of voter registration applications attached to slips of paper identifying them as having been collected by Voting is Power (VIP), an offshoot of the Washington, D.C.-based Muslim American Society.

LePore said he showed up about 15 minutes after she locked the door to her office at 5 p.m., carrying a box of applications. She said she told him her office was closed but he could mail the forms as long as they were postmarked by midnight that night.

But, she said, he wasn't satisfied, and managed to slip inside the lobby when someone left.

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Although they cannot formally endorse a party, most of these groups support Democratic causes and candidates. Of the top ten 527s, only one – the Club for Growth – is Republican-oriented. The 527 advocacy groups use unlimited amounts of so-called soft money to buy radio and television advertisements and pay door-to-door canvassers, like workers for America Coming Together (ACT), which has since July opened eight Florida field offices, including one in West Palm Beach.

ACT's political action committee also supports John Kerry. Millionaires George Soros and Peter Lewis have collectively donated more than $13 million to ACT and MoveOn.org, another pro-Kerry group, according to Internal Revenue Service records.

ACT and its partner, the Media Fund, supported by the Joint Victory Campaign 2004, have collected more than $53 million thus far, followed by 527s for the service employees' union, which has $16 million, and the union representing state, federal and municipal workers, with $13 million, according to IRS records released Monday. The unions also support Kerry.

Secretary of State Glenda Hood and Gov. Jeb Bush have criticized the 527 advocacy groups' voter registration efforts even before recent reports about irregularities with the applications surfaced throughout the state.

Law enforcement officials are currently investigating complaints, including unauthorized party affiliation changes, and bogus voter registrations and forged absentee ballot requests, in St. Petersburg, Tallahassee and Miami-Dade County. A state department spokeswoman confirmed the U.S. Department of Justice is investigation allegations of voter fraud in Florida.

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), pushing the minimum-wage ballot initiative, is under investigation in Miami-Dade County, for possible violations including registering former felons to vote. ACORN workers are cooperating in that investigation, which the group blames on a "disgruntled ex-employee," and another in St. Petersburg, in which the group is accused of changing the former mayor's party affiliation without his knowledge, said spokesman Brian Kettenring.

[shinRaiden 0]

d'oh, missed this one. They're in Duluth, Minnesota too:

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When police at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport stopped a man for running a stop sign late last month, they found an unusual stash in his car trunk: More than 300 voter registration cards that had been filled out but never submitted to the Minnesota secretary of state.

The motorist allegedly told police that he was an ex-employee of Associated Community Organizations for Reform Now, or Acorn, a group that has been conducting a voter registration drive in Minnesota for a year.

Hennepin County Attorney Amy Klobuchar said Thursday her staff is investigating allegations involving the man in connection with his voter registration work.

"Charges are likely to be filed next week," Klobuchar said.

Acorn boasts of having registered 1 million voters across the country since last fall. In Minnesota, the liberal group says it has registered 36,000 voters.

The man stopped at the airport is Joshua Reed, 19, of St. Louis Park, Minn. He faces two unrelated criminal charges, a felony drug case in Hennepin County and a misdemeanor shoplifting case being prosecuted by the St. Louis Park city attorney.

Now he faces an investigation that could lead to felony charges against him or perhaps others for violating election laws. The law requires that cards be submitted to the secretary of state within 10 days of being filled out and signed, but the cards found in the car trunk were weeks or months old.

After the stop, airport police seized the voter registration cards, and an investigator took them to the secretary of state's office, where workers photocopied the cards and returned them to police to hold as evidence.

Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer asked metro-area county election officials to accept the photocopies as valid registrations.

All but a handful of the affected voters, those whose cards became illegible because of water damage in the car trunk, apparently are now validly registered.

But there is another issue. The cards contained several pieces of sensitive personal data that would make them a lucrative target for anyone seeking to commit identity theft.

[SgtBarnes 0]

I can quite easily believe Bush was wired during the debate just as he was proven to be wired during his D-Day address and press conference in France.  

Anyone have links to the D-Day footage? I remember watching it and wondering if he was repeating the lines somehow, but just dismissed it as some technical glitch.

Would be interesting to see it again.

[Badgerboy 0]

This voter registration system in the US seems crazy.

When I vote, I get a card through the door with my name and a number on it. I take it to my voting station, identify myself and then vote.

I can't remember ever having to register for every election, it seems crazy. I'm on the electoral roll already, I simply update them if I move house.

[DanAK47 1]

I never got a card and I am registered to vote.

I try to stay away from these threads for various reasons, so I'll try to rephrase my point about the taxes before bowwing out.

He is complaining about the problem with the system while taking advantage of it. That seems a little kooky to me. If he is going to be the president he should set a better example.

[walker 0]

Hi SgtBarnes

It is linked at the http://www.isbushwired.com/ site.

Because there has been a raft of fake stories planted by Republicans, I wont link to it directly, untill CNN confirm that it was on their original tape.

For now let us just keep to the humpty back stuff which all know has happened.

More importantly aparently a senior Gop official who is upset at it hapening is said to be going round with proof looking for the highest bid from a newspaper.

Kind Regards Walker

[ralphwiggum 6]

If he is going to be the president he should set a better example.

like not driving while drunk, answering whether he took cocaine or not?

[ralphwiggum 6]

Bush makes a baby cry!

taken from Tuesday's Chinese Daily News.

[Blake 0]

Wired-magazine should do an interview with mr.Bush...

[walker 0]

Hi all

Clearly not being used to questions from the public, the media or that are unrehearsed has left the fake Texan fool weak in debate, hence bulgegate and the name 3 errors debacle.

Who can forget this little gem http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/fool_me.htm of Bush attempting to quote an old saying that goes "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." he said "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." Doh!

It has got so bad that members of TBA are starting to worry.

Quote[/b] ]Bush's Isolation From Reporters Could Be a Hindrance

Some Presidential Advisers Worry That He Could Pay Price During Debates for Being Overprotected

By Mike Allen

Washington Post Staff Writer

Friday, October 8, 2004; Page A09

During a campaign forum in the Cleveland suburbs last month, President Bush was asked whether he likes broccoli, to disclose his "most important legacy to the American people" and to reveal what supporters can do "to make sure that you win Ohio and get reelected."

The "Ask President Bush" forums, which on television look like freewheeling sessions with the commander in chief, are tightly managed by the Bush-Cheney campaign, with the president calling mainly on people sitting in sections filled with his most loyal supporters. At one such event, a veteran's question was whether Bush would permit him "the honor of giving our commander in chief a real Navy salute, and not a flip-flop."

Several Bush advisers said the president may well pay a price for his decision to remain isolated from tough or unexpected questions when he faces Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), whose events are notably less scripted, in a town-hall-style debate tonight at Washington University in St. Louis. The questions are likely to be tougher than those he faced when he taped an interview about parenting for the "Dr. Phil" show this summer.

The debates, which will conclude Wednesday in Arizona, have brought new scrutiny to Bush by tens of millions of people who are accustomed to seeing him only in brief clips or formal settings. Bush received poor ratings in polls after television shots from the first debate showed him fidgeting and grimacing under challenges by Kerry, and his remarks became repetitious and at times peevish.

Wayne Fields, a specialist in presidential rhetoric at Washington University, said the first debate showed Bush had been overprotected. "If you don't talk to the press and deal with audiences with some degree of skepticism, you can't build understanding so people have confidence in you in hard times," Fields said. "His handlers think they're doing him a favor, but they're not."

After loosing the first two debates George Bush Junior has to win this one to have a chance of staying in the electoral race.

Kind Regards Walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

Time for some humour

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/startrek.htm

And what strange videos does this guy watch?

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/obgyn.htm

Kind Regards Walker

[shinRaiden 0]

Well if you want to know why Bush dislikes wasting his and the citizen's time with the press, go read any number of transcripts from www.whitehouse.gov. Read the whole litany of uninformed, off-topic, and other-wise politically leading questions, and bear in mind that most of the debate questions that you accuse him of ignoring were in fact loaded baiting questions designed to rig a lose-lose situation for him.

[denoir 0]

Well if you want to know why Bush dislikes wasting his and the citizen's time with the press, go read any number of transcripts from www.whitehouse.gov. Read the whole litany of uninformed, off-topic, and other-wise politically leading questions, and bear in mind that most of the debate questions that you accuse him of ignoring were in fact loaded baiting questions designed to rig a lose-lose situation for him.

Yes, the free press is involved in a grand liberal conspiracy against Bush and good American values. As a matter of fact the whole world is engaged in a liberal conspiracy aimed at proliferating anti-American propaganda. Can't you see that?

If you didn't know, one of the primary functions of free media is to critically analyze and challenge those in power. It's one of the corner stones of any modern democracy. If he can't handle it, then he has no business being in power.

Furthermore, the media is not nearly as good as it ought to be. TV news is an embarrassment to journalism. Today only elements of the print media still have some quality (NYT, WSJ, WP...). The rest is just crap - copying sound-bites from official press releases.

[Bernadotte 0]

He is complaining about the problem with the system while taking advantage of it. That seems a little kooky to me.

You've agreed that the system is unfair.  However, of the 2 candidates taking advantage of this unfair system, you'd rather support the guy who created it than the guy who opposes it.

Now that's what I call kooky.    

[DanAK47 1]

I did not say I agreed the system was messed up.

I would also like to see where Bush got 2/3rds off his taxes, and don't say his 84 dollars of lumber.

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]I did not say I agreed the system was messed up.

But Kerry should still pay more taxes than are required by the law just to make voters happy?  

Quote[/b] ]I would also like to see where Bush got 2/3rds off his taxes, and don't say his 84 dollars of lumber.

Correct if I'm wrong, but he's paying 30 percent of his income in taxes now, you mean he should pay 100% then?  

[DanAK47 1]

If he paid 100% of his income he would have no income left.

The tax rate for his (Kerry's too, I can reasonably assume) tax bracket is around 35% IIRC.

[Bernadotte 0]

I did not say I agreed the system was messed up.

You wrote that "Kerry is complaining about the problem with the system."

I guess what you meant to say was "Kerry is complaining that there is a problem with the system" or maybe, "Kerry is claiming that there is a problem with the system." Saying that "Kerry is complaining about the Loch Ness Monster" implies that you agree the monster exists.

So, now that we know you favour Bush's taxbreak-for-the-rich system then why not just attack Kerry's arguments against it rather than making up some weird rule about participants in the system not being allow to criticise the system?

[Akira 0]

If he paid 100% of his income he would have no income left.

lol

[walker 0]

Hi all

Allow me to repeat myself.

If you want to see tax dodges like that used by George Bush Junior in his, I am a small business man scam, stamped out and the likes of ENRON execs Halliburton contractors and other scam merchants involved in NeoConMan tax dodges and fraud brought to justice and made to pay then you will have to vote for John F. Kerry.

If you want all those big NeoConMen who gouged you with their ENRON fake power shortages and the NeoConMan speculators and Oil Billionair cronies of TBA with their fantasy oil shortage be forced to pay their fair shair in taxes then you will have to vote for John F. Kerry.

If you want to increase John F. Kerry's Taxes you have to vote for John F. Kerry because he is the only president who will get rid of the tax breaks for the the Ultra Rich who are earning over 200,000 dollars a year.

If you want fair taxes on the ultra rich and you are sick of paying their share as well as your own then you will have to vote for John F. Kerry.

It is real simple if you want a better fairer tax system you will have to vote for John F. Kerry.

With the extra bills for the defecit that the George Bush Junior has left. The money has to come from Taxes there is no other source. Countries have to pay their bills same as anyone.

George Bush Junior has been draging the US down the same stupid path that all those indebted nations in Africa have gone down, now all they do is pay back the interest on Debt which is exactly where the banks want them.

That is the same place the bankers want the USA because then they call the Shots. It happened to the UK and it was only with the New UK chancelor Gordon Brown that they got out of it.

Debt has to be paid no if buts or maybes; if you do not believe me take a loan out of the bank and see what they think of you not paying it back.

A lot of US debt is owned by China what do you think China can demand for that debt?

Now when your paying back that debt do you want the middle classes to pay it all, as it will under George Bush or do you want an equitable and fair distribution of the cost of that Defecit?

If you want the NeoConMen's Debt paid off in a fair and equitable way you have to vote for John F. Kerry because he is the only President who will ensure that this is what happens.

Kind Regards Walker

[kerosene 0]

This is a pretty interesting article

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/13/32821/029

Its about a guy who runs a voter registration program.

[DanAK47 1]

I wish you guys hadn't responded. Please respond to this indirectly so I can stop reading this thread.

Yes, the tax comment poorly, I can see where you think I was implying I thought there was a problem. Sorry for that.

What are the numbers? AFAIK the top tax bracket is still around 35%. If the tax cut was so drastic I would hate to see what their tax rate was before it. It seems like Kerry is trying to make it look like he is a middle-class savior, attacking the "fat rich people." But that isn't true.

Didn't Kerry say that he would not raise taxes? But he does have a plan for everything.

[ogre_h 0]

Just remeber guys that the reason the rich get the most largest tax breaks is because they pay the most taxes. If you don't pay taxes you aren't going to get a tax break. But if you don't pay taxes in the first place what do you care if the guy who does gets a break?

This is the IRS' breakdown of who paid taxes in 2001. You'll see that the top 50% paid 96% of the taxes, leaving the bottom 50% of wage earners paying 4% of taxes.

http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-soi/01in01ts.xls

This is what is known as a progressive tax system. Those who make less pay less and vice versa. Kerry tries to make it sound like its a Bush conspiracy that only the rich (ironicly people just like Kerry) benefit from the tax cut. But any tax cut will benefit the rich, simply because of the nature of the tax code. Kerry says that he will target only the middle class, but the middle class pays so little in income taxes as it is that his claims are meaningless. This is not to confuse the issue with FICA and payroll taxes used to fund Social Security.

Also keep in mind that no country has ever taxed itself to prosperity. Raising tax rates stifles an economy by taking money out of circulation, that could otherwise be used for investing, job creation, and forms of consumerism that would lead to the previous two. The economy is not a zero-sum game where one has to loose in order for another to gain, to mix metaphors its a continuously growing pie.

Changing gears a bit, this is an interesting article by a quadraplegic on John Edwards' claim that people in wheelchairs will be cured if Kerry is elected. http://www.time.com/time....00.html