War against terror

[walker 0]

Hi all

***Latest News***

US Media being gagged court case in progress.

The FBI agent is a senior Translator.

She has said that TBA new before 9/11 that Aircraft were to be used to crash into buildings.

The White House is gagging her now.

Stay Tuned Walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

Quote[/b] ]US 'KNEW TERROR THREAT'

Top US officials knew before September 11 that al Qaeda planned to use aircraft to commit a terrorist outrage.

FBI translator Sibel Edmonds insists: "There was general information about the timeframe (and) about methods to be used."

Senior figures in the Bush administration are adamant they had no prior warning of the attacks on New York and Washington.

Ms Edmonds has accused US national security adviser Condoleezza Rice of telling an "outrageous lie" when she denied warnings had been received.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-13044958,00.html

US media outlets are censored and not able to run this story.

FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is currently in a court case where the white house are atempting to Gag her.

What price Freedom of the press.

Shocked Walker

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]US media outlets are censored and not able to run this story.

BBC must be censored too....could not find anything on their site.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Ms Edmonds has already given evidence to the Congressional commission investigating the September 11 atrocities.

If she said at the 9/11 commission would not that be big news...

[walker 0]

Hi billybob2002

It is because there is a court case brought by The White House in order to gag her. The evidence was given in private but she wants to testify on oath in public.

What price freedom huh?

Do you like living under stalinist censorship?

Kind Regards Walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

BBC now Reporting the news that an FBI Translator has given evidence that

Quote[/b] ]It is the sustained pressure on the Bush administration that makes the Independent's front page.

It carries an interview with a woman it calls "the whistleblower the White House wants to silence".

Sibel Edmonds, a former translator for the FBI, tells the paper that she has handed detailed evidence to the panel investigating the 11 September hijacks that proves senior officials knew of al-Qaeda plans to attack the US.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3592161.stm

Still no reports in the US press self censored or the heavy hand of The White House Gaging Order?

Kind Regards Walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

The paper that released the story

Quote[/b] ]It is the sustained pressure on the Bush administration that makes the Independent's front page.

It carries an interview with a woman it calls "the whistleblower the White House wants to silence".

Sibel Edmonds, a former translator for the FBI, tells the paper that she has handed detailed evidence to the panel investigating the 11 September hijacks that proves senior officials knew of al-Qaeda plans to attack the US.

apears to have had its service hacked?

This page which normaly links to the UK's top paper apears to now link to THE BELFAST TELEGRAPH can any one else check this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/

Very Strange.

Kind Regards Walker

[billybob2002 0]

It works..

Quote[/b] ]It is impossible at this stage to verify Mrs Edmonds' claims.

hmmm...Guess you have to wait for the 9/11 report.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Do you like living under stalinist censorship?

The most funniest thing I have seen today.

[walker 0]

Hi all

It apears to be my DNS server very odd still more than one way to skin a cat.

Anyway I got a link to the original article from a friend

Quote[/b] ]'I saw papers that show US knew al-Qa'ida would attack cities with aeroplanes'

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=507514

Quote[/b] ]Sibel Edmonds said she spent more than three hours in a closed session with the commission's investigators providing information that was circulating within the FBI in the spring and summer of 2001 suggesting that an attack using aircraft was just months away and the terrorists were in place. The Bush administration, meanwhile, has sought to silence her and has obtained a gagging order from a court by citing the rarely used "state secrets privilege".

The heavy hand of a White House Gaging order can shut up the US press then.

Truly Sadened by the loss of freedom in the US Walker

[billybob2002 0]

The Sibel Edmonds thing as ready been reported in the states almost a year ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/25/60minutes/main526954.shtml

Read it!

[walker 0]

Hi billybob2002

That is previous story where she blew the whistle on corruption in the FBI for which she was as your article says properly praised by the US Senate as being a very credible witness

These are New Revelations not included in the article you link to. These are about papers she placed before the 9/11 commision that directly contradict what TBA are saying and these articles are being censored those articles you mention were not they were welcomed as a good example of whistle blowing.

If you are going to post links to articles please at least read them this is the second time you have posted a link to something that has been not wht you puported them to be. You only embarass your self and as a good debater it does not help your cause.

kind Regards Walker

[SpongeBob 0]

Why should we believe her, she worked for the FBI's translation department that she says was "riddled with incompetence and corruption."

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]These are New Revelations not included in the article you link to. These are about papers she placed before the 9/11 commision that directly contradict what TBA are saying and these articles are being censored those articles you mention were not they were welcomed as a good example of whistle blowing.

60 mintues:

Quote[/b] ]This is the story of hundreds, if not thousands, of foreign language documents that the FBI neglected to translate before and after the Sept.11 attacks because of problems in its language department - documents that detailed what the FBI heard on wiretaps and learned during interrogations of suspected terrorists.

Quote[/b] ]

She told The Independent yesterday: "I gave [the commission] details of specific investigation files, the specific dates, specific target information, specific managers in charge of the investigation. I gave them everything so that they could go back and follow up. This is not hearsay. These are things that are documented. These things can be established very easily."

She came in after 9/11 to translate wiretaps and documents for the FBI. From her translations she discover general information about a terrorist attack. TBA is not incharge of translating those documents.

Quote[/b] ]general information about the use of airplanes and that an attack was just months away.

hmm general information.

Thats why the 9/11 commission is going to talk about failures of TCA, TBA, FBI, CIA and etc. in their report. Not just TBA.

[walker 0]

Hi billybob2002

It was TBA's watch. They were suposed to be on guard. They new civil aicraft were to be used as weapons against US cities in the spring and summer before 9/11 yet they did nothing.

No one needs to say more.

Kind Regards Walker

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Sibel Edmonds said she spent more than three hours in a closed session with the commission's investigators providing information that was circulating within the FBI in the spring and summer of 2001 suggesting that an attack using aircraft was just months away and the terrorists were in place.

Remeber the FBI, CIA, and etc. did not usually give each other their information.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]It was TBA's watch. They were suposed to be on guard. They new civil aicraft were to be used as weapons against US cities in the spring and summer before 9/11 yet they did nothing.

Well it was the job of the CIA, FBI, and etc to go after the terrorists (on the ground) who want to do harm aganist USA. Also, TCA basically did do not anything to Al-Quida during their 8 years in office (but on paper, execpt for a few missiles).

[joltan 0]

I think all this 'could have', 'might have' and hindsight is just a waste of time imo. I don't believe a moment if any of the parties involved had had a reason to believe those attacks were imminent they wouldn't have reacted. There were definitely failures and weaknesses have been exposed - whether the attack could have been prevented is beside the point as it's already happened.

What is important is how TBA continued from thereon - how they acted in Afganistan, Iraq, the Middle East - and in relation to the muslim world in general. That is where they really fucked up. Not before 9/11, but afterwards.

[billybob2002 0]

Like I have said it is meaningless to play the blame game.

[bn880 5]

Quote[/b] ]Sibel Edmonds said she spent more than three hours in a closed session with the commission's investigators providing information that was circulating within the FBI in the spring and summer of 2001 suggesting that an attack using aircraft was just months away and the terrorists were in place.

Remeber the FBI, CIA, and etc. did not usually give each other their information.

That is why the president should haveorganized something like Clinton did in the past, where htey held weekly meetings to bring in all the newset information from all the intelligence sectors.

It is the job of the president to take threats seriously, but Bush clearly ignored threats and organized no weekly meetings to exchange information.

[bn880 5]

Like I have said it is meaningless to play the blame game.

It is NOT meaningless, your lovely President IGNORED threats of a major attack on US soil. My current theory is he did so to have something to unite Americans against anyhting he may wish to pursue, like Iraq and Afghanistan etc. Only he probably did not realize that 3000 people would die for it first, make that he surely was too stupid to imagine that kind of death toll.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]My current theory is he did so to have something to unite Americans against anyhting he may wish to pursue, like Iraq and Afghanistan etc.  Only he probably did not realize that 3000 people would die for it first, make that he surely was to stupid to imagine that kind of death toll.

Here comes the conspiracy theories..

[Akira 0]

The talk that it is meaningless is just plain ignorant.

Was it meaningless that Nixon ordered the Watergate break in? What was the big deal? It was already done so why play "the blame game"?

Because it shows a stunning abuse, or lack of competency in the White House, that is why. So obviously there are some people that are happy being lied to and manipulated, as long as they don't have to deal with "the blame game."

Give me a break.

What's the big deal since it already happened? Well for one...it didn't have to happen. And thats a pretty big deal if you ask me.

The only thing more stunning is the complete apathy considering 3000 people died in one event, and then tack on the wars in the name of 9/11. That's a big deal. To ignore the Al Queda threat because your families arch-nemisis is sticking his tongue out at you is a big deal. And if this new whistleblower is true, to actively ignore it for whatever reason to follow a private vendetta is a very big deal. And if the alleged 9/12 speech where Star Wars is highlighted as opposed to the true threats is right, that is a very big deal and more proof.

Wake the fuck up people.

[Scorpio 0]

Wake the fuck up people.

^^^

Wise words.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]The only thing more stunning is the complete apathy considering 3000 people died in one event, and then tack on the wars in the name of 9/11. That's a big deal. To ignore the Al Queda threat because your families arch-nemisis is sticking his tongue out at you is a big deal. And if this new whistleblower is true, to actively ignore it for whatever reason to follow a private vendetta is a very big deal. And if the alleged 9/12 speech where Star Wars is highlighted as opposed to the true threats is right, that is a very big deal and more proof.

It does not require a brain that TCA, TBA, CIA, FBI, and etc. failed in dealing with Al Qaeda. It just pisses me off that people are trying to pin the blame only one group for 9/11. That is why blame game is stupid for this instant.

9/11 commission was created to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks (taken from website). It was created to not point fingers but get the facts.