Community Pessimism

[Agua 0]

Must agree here. BIS' provides outstanding support for this game. The patches are more effective, and frequent, than a game called ww2ol which you must pay a monthly fee to play!! And that game had a #### of a lot of further to come along than OpFP.

Great job BIS.

[DrDeathGNJ 0]

I think the people who b*tch and Moan about OPFP have either never played it, Only played the demo or don't have the mental capacity to move beyond brainless shooters like Q3 and the like.

OPFP is by far the most realistic Military Shooter\Simulation I have ever seen. I close friend and former MARINE buddy is blown away by Flashpoint.

The shear magnitude of what Flashpoint presents in gameplay should command only respect even from those who can't get into it.

Other games like GhostRecon pale in comparison to Flahpoint.

It sickened me when I see all these games mags saying GhostRecon is the most realistic military shooter of all time. That is the most load of CRAP I have ever seen and heard.

GhostRecons environments can't even compare to Flashpoint's. GhostRecons AI is shotty at best. Either too Good or Too stupid.The command interface in GhostRecon is just above crap.The game is fun on a simplistic level and thats it. Flashpoint makes you feel like your apart of something great.

Flashpoint has bugs of course but, its doing something no game has ever done. Combine Flight Simulators,RealTime Strategy and FPS all in one game. And I think they did it rather well.

So if you can't see and enjoy what Flashpoint has done and offers then go play Q3 or some mindless run and gun and stop whining.

My hats off to those who see, enjoy and respect Flashpoint and its accomplishments.

[Antichrist 0]

I said countless times before that OFP is the best game ever. If I reviewed it I would've given it 100%, cause I think no other game will be ever able to beat it

Well except for OFP 2 of course, which i will give 101%

[Maldita Vecindad 1]

OFP is best game ever!!!

any doubs you b*tches?

[Rogue 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">from DrDeathGNJ on 12:20 am on Dec. 18, 2001 I think the people who b*tch and Moan about OPFP have either never played it, Only played the demo or don't have the mental capacity to move beyond brainless shooters like Q3 and the like.

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Hear hear, you appear to have the ultimate insight why people doesn´t like ofp! maybe just grab yourself one of the latest pc titles and judge for yourself if Flashpoint is the reincarnation of buginfested software.

The ofp demo fyi looked and played better than the fullversion, why o why is that i ask ya. I think it´s quite unnecessary to give away statements on other peoples mental capacity, if your own seems to be on the line, arrogant schmuck .

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OPFP is by far the most realistic Military Shooter\Simulation I have ever seen. I close friend and former MARINE buddy is blown away by Flashpoint.

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There are many realistic wargames out there, just because your pal is a former marine it doesn´t makes your or his statement more valid. Flashpoint is as realistic as any other shooter in this genre, but too much things had been left outside, half-finished, buggy or nonfunctional along with other flaws in gamedesign.

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The shear magnitude of what Flashpoint presents in gameplay should command only respect even from those who can't get into it.

Other games like GhostRecon pale in comparison to Flahpoint.

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Know what most people want? A solid gaming experience, workable in single and multiplayer, last one with priority. They dont want to sit hours on their PC´s messing around with the game/settings, because something doesn´t run as it should, or because multiplayer is so boring on those huge maps, if they´d find a game at all.

Most of these things like solid multiplayer  are not content of Flashpoint, but Ghost Recon, this is why it has already a bigger fanbase than ofp.

And thats why *stupid games*, as you refer to them, work out, and flashpoint doesnt.

Does the usage of vehicles make a game less stupid, does a large terrain make a game less stupid- both can be answered with a definite NO. How stupid a game plays depends on the player, if you´re not smart enough to have success in counterstrike, you wont be very successfull in flashpoint either, as its always the same, you can twist and turn it to your liking, but the principle doesn´t change in contrast to real life. Flashpoint is a stupid game like all others.

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It sickened me when I see all these games mags saying GhostRecon is the most realistic military shooter of all time. That is the most load of CRAP I have ever seen and heard.

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Deny reality and be a true rampant hardcore fan to ofp, Ghost Recon is already more successfull than ofp regarding acceptance in the multiplayer  community for obvious reasons. Probably because all other except you are dumbarses and have no clue, yeah must be that way.....

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GhostRecons environments can't even compare to Flashpoint's. GhostRecons AI is shotty at best. Either too Good or Too stupid.The command interface in GhostRecon is just above crap.The game is fun on a simplistic level and thats it. Flashpoint makes you feel like your apart of something great.

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I agree on the AI part of Ghost Recon, but same is true for ofp. However the terrain is not comparable to ofp, it firstly looks better and gives better cover than ofps flat terrain, appears more like the real thing actually.

Except you of course, everyone else can get along with smaller maps, especially in mp. fact is most maps of Ghost recon are to big for a 10 men TD, for 36 players even mediocre maps are mpore than enough. Ghost recon makes something in multiplayer that ofp has huge problems with producing: F.U.N. Multiplayer is solid, and gives you solid action- what everyone wants, although at times its too boring because of the map sizes, now multiply the boredom factor by 50 and you have ofp in multiplayer.

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Flashpoint has bugs of course but, its doing something no game has ever done. Combine Flight Simulators,RealTime Strategy and FPS all in one game. And I think they did it rather well.

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At least you admit flashpoint has some "tiny" bugs *shakes head*

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So if you can't see and enjoy what Flashpoint has done and offers then go play Q3 or some mindless run and gun and stop whining.

My hats off to those who see, enjoy and respect Flashpoint and its accomplishments.

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So everyone not having a similar opinion can basically go and play quake?

Interesting point of view to say at least,  although i dont catch the valid point in there, more sort of weak  argumentation.

(Edited by Rogue at 2:52 am on Dec. 18, 2001)

(Edited by Rogue at 2:54 am on Dec. 18, 2001)

[CanisDEK 1]

ROGUE

What you mention isn't what frustrates me about OFP (although I do agree on some of it)... what frustrates me is that OFP could have been a much better MP game than GR... that is more fun. I still have some faith that OFP will get better (respawn with class weapon, respawnable vehicles, smaller MP islands made with MP in mind etc.). I hope OFP will eventually be "perfect" and then I think it will be more fun than GR... or perhaps we have to wait for OFP2... I know I'll buy it if they focus on MP. For now I'll stick to Ghost Recon and hope for a few OFP miracles.

[angrysquirrel 0]

I have been playing this game since the european release (and I'm in the united states). The game is in my opinion one of the boldest endeavors and accomplishments in computer gaming history. Never have there been so many things you can do in this game.

I remember when I first played the demo and all the guys were running for the chopper. I was shot in the leg and was crawling to the chopper. The game was so well polished at that point that I literaly EXPECTED someone to get out of the chopper, run over to me and pull me in. The immersion level is amazing!

And I applaud BIS for their hard work and continual dedication to improvements to this game. They don't have to do it but they still work on making this game better and better. You guys should be the standard for dedication among software designers. You rock!

[EveronVetsAgainstTheWar 0]

I love OFP. I am sure it's more realistic and fun than GR (good thing I got that for free). I mean hey, you cant even see the guns in GR.

But what I am really concerned is what a Pepsi Max is. Someone mentioned it above.

[euly 0]

I have more of a neutral view of the ups & downs of OFP, I don't agree with a lot of pessismistic attitudes on the forum, but I see where they come from so I'm not going to rant on them for being close minded.

I'm a very big gamer & OFP is by far one of the best war games I've ever played, yet when I hear about projects like this VBS thing for the millitary I can't help but think, "geez, now BIS is gonna start leaning their resources towards that." It's a little depressing to see signs of it, but a lot of people exploite this causing more people to feel the same way & pretty soon you have 1/4 of the forums acting like the game is just $hit now because the producers no longer support it. Very few people seem to realize, even if BIS completly cut off communication to the community, OFP would still be a good game, & still better than most games on the market. If you've played games like Rogue Spear, (not ghost recon) where all the terrorists only aim for your head or You can walk flat up against a wall, fire your weapon & the bullet will hit 2 feet away from the barrel. Sure, the graphics are better, but game play is equal in the negatives.

For people that don't agree because of bugs, they can go out & buy Cutthroats, by Eidos. Eidos must be on about their 10th? major patch for it by now. The readme's have things like "No really, we fixed it this time for sure". Or gamers can buy World War II Online, Is that game even in it's alpha testing yet? So what if OFP is just mediocre in multiplayer, it's a lot better at MP than WWII online. I never even use it for multiplayer games because I hate seeing that familiar chat message "GOD WHO'S LAGGING.....somebody boot that 56k'er outta here" & please don't mention broadband, I live 40 miles from my isp. So I stick to single player & get frustraited when "the latest in patching technology" changes the AI's ability to see me through a house, 2 bushes, & a partridge in a pear tree. Then nail me with 2 shots from a 3 round burst.

I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to relate to some of the reasons why people get so bitter towards BIS, but alot of the angry gamers are just temporary and will move on the the next big game that comes out & then go b*tch in that game's forums.

To sum it up, my point is pessimism will never stop, it just keeps revolving as more games are released, so the people who are sick of it should just have a little patience & soon all that will be left is those optomistic veterans.

[nordin dk 0]

There are only three other games I remember getting equally emerged in. The one that popped my cherry was Tomb Raider 1 (PS), then Final Fantasy VII (PS) then Baldurs Gate. OFP equals TR in adrenalin that's for sure. It naturally doesn't match FF VII or BG in the storytelling department, but then it offers so much else. The one thing that has me pissed is MP (se my rant from yesterday). I guess it's because there are so many good things about this game, that when one (rather important, no?) aspect isn't satisfactory you react strongly to it...

Still, OFP will be here for a long time. It has revolutionised by daring to be more than just a FPS,

by taking on the impossible project of go-where-you-want-by-whatever-means-you'd-like.

I don't mind waiting for the 4.0 if only it offers some netcode improvement. That's all we need. Forget about adding more vehicles, there are addons galore by now.

Forget about more weapons, buildings, people. As long as there are people out there spending time on scripting some good missions, we don't even need more of that from BIS/CM.

I'll sure as #### have played this game more than any of the three I mentioned first, and I will continue to.

And btw, Pepsi Max is Diet Pepsi.

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[Random 0]

Rogue,

Please don't tell me what ALL gamers want. Personally, I don't care about multiplayer, since I only have a 56K and can't really compete. I think you'd be surprised at how many people have bought OFP for its singleplayer, and not MP. Just because you prioritise MP over SP, doesn't mean that everyone else does too. Talk about being an arrogant schmuck.

And there must be something wrong with your computer if the demo of OFP ran better than the full version.

[Rogue 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Random on 1:38 pm on Dec. 18, 2001

Rogue,

Please don't tell me what ALL gamers want. Personally, I don't care about multiplayer, since I only have a 56K and can't really compete. I think you'd be surprised at how many people have bought OFP for its singleplayer, and not MP. Just because you prioritise MP over SP, doesn't mean that everyone else does too. Talk about being an arrogant schmuck.

And there must be something wrong with your computer if the demo of OFP ran better than the full version.<span id='postcolor'>

It´s obvious that you personally dont care about multiplayer with your slow motion connection, otherwise statements like yours wouldn´t be made. Make a poll in this forum about how many people prefer a solid multiplayer and overall gaming experience, if you cant see the truth in my words.

The bugs and low performance isn´t exclusive to multiplayer, but also singleplayer.

Longvity and perspective for game has always depended on multiplayer capabilities, Flashpoint hasn´t got these to an satisfying extent. This is why many server parks are unwilling to offer Flashpoint servers.

And fyi my computer is a 1.4 Athlon + Geforce 3 and the demo did look better than the piece ´o crap sold in the stores. Im not the only who has noticed this.

Im just telling like it is, even if some of you don´t like it, because they prefer to live on in their dreamworld of shattered hopes and illusions not seing the facts anymore.

[whisperFFW06 0]

"So everyone not having a similar opinion can basically go and play quake?"

No, anyone can come, and NOT say :

"the demo did look better than the piece ´o crap sold in the stores."

If this game is such a piece of crap, please, don't play it and don't come in.

[Anaconda 0]

Well said Uziyahu

[Rogue 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from whisperFFW06 on 4:14 pm on Dec. 18, 2001

"So everyone not having a similar opinion can basically go and play quake?"

No, anyone can come, and NOT say :

"the demo did look better than the piece ´o crap sold in the stores."

If this game is such a piece of crap, please, don't play it and don't come in.

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You´re just proving your inability to counter any of my arguments, yeah i know its hard to find arguments for ofp.

I stopped playing the game after patch 1.20 was released, it got worser and worser.

But that doesn´t stop me from posting on this forum from time to time and voice my oppinion, after all this is what makes a discussion, in case noone told you yet.

If you can´t stand someone given you his arguments or point of view, you should avoid contact with human beings, at least with those able to communicate.

[Gaswell 1]

Rogue, I gotta admire your persistence. If I come across a game I don't like, I've lost interest in both the game and its community (if any) in a matter of hours. There must be something about OFP that keeps dragging you back.

[Rogue 0]

All my ranting will hopefully improve the game sometime in the future, this is why im a sceptical nay-sayer by nature- unlike many others, that take whatever a developer is throwing at their feets with delight, and a sorry sense of masochism.

[whisperFFW06 0]

LOL

I just meant that "this game is such a piece 'o crap" is not an argument

About my contacts w/ human beings, everything is fine, thanks for your attention.

[JoeSchmoe 0]

Well...

I enjoy this game. Is it flawless? Nope. But what I do see here is a tangible commitment from the developers to help and advance the game. They ask for feedback and they listen to it.

This is what many people complain is lacking from so many other games. Think back in the Counter Strike/Half Life world to what forced PunkBuster to withdraw support - lack of help from Valve.

Somehow, I don't think that Opf has the same problem with lack of developer interest.

n1 BIS. Your game isn't flawless, but you've pointed it in the right direction and it's moving.

oh...btw...Merry Xmas.

[762WorldOrder 0]

Rogue, why are you even here?

I have a 1.2Ghz Athlon with a GeForce2, and the full version ran a lot better than the demo, regardless of what you say.

If you don't like OFP anymore, kindly go the f**k away and leave us alone. It's not like people on here enjoy listening to you say, "X, Y, and Z are wrong with Operation Flashpoint, and I'm not going to play it again until they fix it, but I'll sit in the forums and constantly remind everyone that I don't like it." No one cares.

I have rarely - if ever - been killed by the AI in OFP when I thought it was cheap or because of a bug. OFP certainly has its problems, but on the whole it has accomplished more than virtually any other game out there, including GR.

I have no problems playing on public servers on Gamespy with 10, 12, or 16 players with my DSL connections. And that's even using Gamespy! On public servers! IMO, the vehicle code needs to be tweaked a bit so you don't fall out of choppers and aiming the gun in a moving vehicle is easier, but those are minor complaints. I've had OFP since the European release and have been playing both SP and MP all this time, and I don't have all the problems you whine about. Learn how to configure your servers if you're having problems. I have a LAN at my place and I play with my buddies all the time, no problems.

Sure, I wouldn't mind seeing a revamped version of OFP optimized exclusively for online play (that I would pay for even), but you're blowing the problems out of proportion and dooming the whole game becuase MP isn't as robust as you'd like it to be.

[Antichrist 0]

I dunno what u're b*tching about

In my opinion OFP got the best MP out of all games available out there

I tried to play other MP games after the release of OFP but they all just......well, kinda suck

All of them! Every single one of them

Just name me a game that got better MP than OFP and give me at least 5 reasons why is it better

I'll counter any reason easily

[Black Op 0]

dod is a better mp game

1) it has really good netcode

2) you can join mid game

3) it has a built in search engine to find games

4) you dont spend years looking around the map for people

5) the maps are a lot more fun

(Edited by Black Op at 9:02 pm on Dec. 18, 2001)

[Antichrist 0]

1) What do u mean good netcode? I believe OFP got netcode better than any other game. It runs lag free on my connection its all that I need. And I pretty sure that DOD netcode won't even handle OFP

2) U consider this a plus? I always consider that a minus when any moron can join mid-game that do couple of TKs and disconnect.

3) d*amn its a tough one.....oh well s**t happens

4) Well u probably just don't get it. Searching for people is the main part of the game. U just don't know the feeling to spend 30 minutes lying in bush checking the timing on a russian patrol and their path... Especially when u get killed by a lone guard who was standing right behind u...... *drools*

5) How can a cube 30*30*30 metres with walls can be fun? When u know that there are only 3 roads to the enemy base and only 4 places to attack compare that to OFP with infinite number of ways to get to the enemy base

[Black Op 0]

1) What do u mean good netcode? I believe OFP got netcode better than any other game. It runs lag free on my connection its all that I need. And I pretty sure that DOD netcode won't even handle OFP

2) U consider this a plus? I always consider that a minus when any moron can join mid-game that do couple of TKs and disconnect.

without a join mid game feature proffesional servers such as jolt, blueyonder and barrysworld are never going to get involved with ofp

3) d*amn its a tough one.....oh well s**t happens

4) Well u probably just don't get it. Searching for people is the main part of the game. U just don't know the feeling to spend 30 minutes lying in bush checking the timing on a russian patrol and their path... Especially when u get killed by a lone guard who was standing right behind u...... *drools*

and many of the maps people make arent very proffesional and you end up flying around as a seagull for the next 30 mins as they dont know how to put respawn scripts in

5) How can a cube 30*30*30 metres with walls can be fun? When u know that there are only 3 roads to the enemy base and only 4 places to attack compare that to OFP with infinite number of ways to get to the enemy base

people never play like that in ofp though, unless your in a clan theres no sense of teamplay, just people getting in choppers and flying around shooting anything that moves

[Antichrist 0]

That's exactly what i'm talking about

It has nothing to do with the game, its all people's fault

And that is why every other game is even worse because u often see heaps of morons like that

I only play OFP with my clan and never had any bad experiences with that