Chinese rip-off of a typhoon?

[FSPilot 0]

Thats one thing about the russians, they dont copy other nation's designs, they make their own (and some very good ones too I must admit).

Yeah?

[Tovarish 0]

Thats one thing about the russians, they dont copy other nation's designs, they make their own (and some very good ones too I must admit).

Yeah?

Do you even bother to read the thread?

Posted by me in this same page before:

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Well TBH the Chinese are reputed for ripping off other countries' designs so it would make sense to assume that this is the case for this aircraft

uh-huh. So are the Russians, and from what I've seen these assumptions are crap and I'm pointing it out.

The one time where such plagiarism did undisputably occur (B-29/Tu-4) The Russian engineers tasked with copying it found it to be a nightmare due to the different materials available, the fact that the fuselage was designed by machinery based on Imperial measurements instead of the Metric-based machinery the Russians used, ect. They basically had to build the same plane, with different materials and different tools than were intended. In the end it would have been just as much work to build an indigenous design from scratch.

[FSPilot 0]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise I couldn't say things other people had said.    

The hell's wrong with you?

[Tovarish 0]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise I couldn't say things other people had said.    

The hell's wrong with you?

Oh I don't know, could be that it just gets tiresome that one incident that occurred in the mid 1940's under the direct orders of Stalin is still being quoted as proof of such BS as the MiG-29 being an F-14/F/A-18/F-15 ripoff. Hellfire was speaking in general terms and here you try to make the exception look like the rule.

[FSPilot 0]

Let me know when you get back from planet tangent.

[Tovarish 0]

Let me know when you get back from planet tangent.

Hey you asked didn't you? Were you saving that response for whatever it was I might post?

Let me know when you get back from the Head in Anus Galaxy

[FSPilot 0]

You're really overreacting to this dude. I was pointing it out as an inaccuracy in his statement, not trying to insult your beloved motherland.

[Tovarish 0]

I was pointing it out as an inaccuracy in his statement, not trying to insult your beloved motherland.  

Oh please, you tried to make the exception look like the rule. It's the same as if I answered someone who said that the Americans create original military hardware by pointing out all the stuff that was based of German WWII designs. As for my beloved motherland, it is Cuba, and you've done enough to insult it already in the first Iraq thread.

[FSPilot 0]

You're really going too far with this. He said something that wasn't entirely true and I pointed it out.

It like you pointing out how the US is the only country to have used WMDs in combat.

[ran 0]

ok , stop this cat fight now before the mods get on your back

[Badgerboy 0]

Christ, whats FSPilot been drinking? He seems very tetchy today.

Quote[/b] ]The J-10 [the export version being designated F-10] is a multi-role single-engine and single-seat tactical fighter, with its combat radius of 1,000 km. It is designed for point defensive warfare with performance generatlly matching aircraft such as the Mirage 2000 deployed by Taiwan. Apparently, Chinese engineers are trying to develop the J-10 from a single F-16 provided by Pakistan, and with assistance from Israeli engineers associated with Israel’s US-financed Lavi fighter program, which was cancelled in 1987.

The acquisition of Su-27, after China had attempted for years to develop the J-10 aircraft with equivalent technology to perform similar functions, demonstrates a lack of confidence in domestic industrial capabilities. China’s record on reverse engineering aircraft has not been impressive, and it remains in doubt whether the J-10 will ever join China’s interceptor inventory.

It is unclear what specific technologies and systems Israel has provided, although it is reported that the Jian-10's radar and fire-control system is the Israeli-made ELM-2021 system, which can simultaneously track six air targets and lock onto the four most-threatening targets for destruction. Some experts believe that the Israeli contribution will focus on avionics and radar, with Russia supplying the engines. In December 1991, US intelligence officials announced that Israel was planning to open a government coordinated and sponsored "arms office" in the PRC. In light of what the Israelis have to offer, and what the Chinese need, it was most likely that a transfer of avionics and other technologies developed in the Lavi program would ensue, since there is a void in the Chinese avionics and fire control system capability due to the 1989 termination of a US/Chinese program in response to Tienanmen square.

China and Israel started collaboration in the early 1980's and full-scale cooperation was underway officially by 1984. After the 1987 cancellation of the Lavi, it was taken over by CAIC and the IAI carried on with the development of avionic equipment. However, the Lavi project had included many elements that Israel could not develop by itself, and China cannot obtain these key technologies from the United States, which has consequently substantially increased the technical difficulties of the F10. In addition, there are certain difference between the Israeli and Chinese requirements for the aircraft. Since Israel already already had fighters such as the F-15, its primary requirement for the Lavi was short-range air support and interdiction, with a secondary mission of air superiority. In contrast, the Chinese Air Force is interested in replacing its large fleet of outmoded J-6 and J-7 fighters, for which air superiority capabilities remain a top priority while the air-to-ground attack capability is of secondary importance.

Since neither China nor Israel is capable of developing the propulsion system required by the J-10, in 1991 China acquired the AI31F turbofan engine from Russia for incorporation into the J-10 fighter. This engine is also used in the Su-27 air superiority fighter that Chinese acquired from Russia. The performance of the AL31F engine is significantly better than that of the American PW1120 originally slated for the Lavi, it may be anticipated that the performance of the J-10 will be accordingly enhanced.

The J-10 features a delta wing canard configuration which ensures aircraft stability with widened static stability active control technology. The deep burial of the engine and the extensive use of composite materials for wing-fuselage fusion design reduces the aircraft's radar signature. This aircraft uses control-figured vehicle design and nine independent control planes: two forward wings, two forward wing flaps, two inside elevons, two outside elevons, and one vertical rudder.

In November 1995 the Jian-10 fighter prototype crashed during a test flight, and consequently it was decided to indefinitely suspend manufacturing plans which had anticipated deliveries to users by 1998. By mid-1999 flight testing had resumed, with little prospect of entering service by 2005.

[FSPilot 0]

I'm a little touchy!?

*head explodes*

Anyway, whats your source for that Badgerboy?

Just wondering.

[USSoldier11B 0]

Quote[/b] ]As for my beloved motherland, it is Cuba, and you've done enough to insult it already in the first Iraq thread.

Bah, try being a conservative American on this forum.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Quote[/b] ]As for my beloved motherland, it is Cuba, and you've done enough to insult it already in the first Iraq thread.

Bah, try being a conservative American on this forum.

Being a moderate American ain't no piece of cake either.

[nolips71 0]

so what are they going to call it? asiafighter monsoon? no serroisly if its made by the chineese its gonna be ripped off. and it will be if its got anything to do with the isrealis either