Ultimate force

[the_unknown_one 0]

dnt forget to watch Ultimate force tonight at 9.00 (i think) if yo recieve ITV, as i want to continue this discussion.

the_unknown_one

[ran 0]

ok... i see what you mean. it just seemed a bit.... vicious. If they were french special forces, ewhy didnt they havethere own guns? they just had crappy uzis and ak's.   unless thats what they use... i just thought they could have gone in real quick and killed teh terrorists, instead of having to infiltrate their way in.

the_unknown_one

what was the role of the french SF in the serie ?

[PHY_Hawkeye 0]

The French SF had infiltrated a terrorist group onboard a ship, which had to dock at a British port because of bad weather. The French didn't inform the British about the operation, and the British assumed that everyone on the ship was a terrorist.

[ran 0]

and the brits killed the french ?

[the_unknown_one 0]

yeh, basically.

tyhey just shot them all. theyre boss tried to tell them they were french SF but it was alredy too late and they dint hear.

the_unknown_one

[ran 0]

pretty dumb storyline ......

the french COS would have sent the Hubert CASM's 1st company B section , a heavily armed maritim counterterrorism unit , the Navy equivalent of the GIGN

[the_unknown_one 0]

are they the people in the lil pic in your sig? if not, who are?

the_unknown_one

[ran 0]

the people in my sig are from the left to the right :

COS operator who is probably from the 1st RPIMA(Regiment d'Infanterie Parachutiste de Marine , Marine Airborne Infantry regiment) (equivalent of the US SFOD-A/d or SAS , because since it's regiment wide , its missions are more varied , it's the french SF unit by excellence), Légionnaire of the 2nd REP on the 3 pics of the middle (the first line unit of the FFL which counts advanced elements and different specialized compagnies , but all these men normally have their parachute brevet , which mens they are first paratroopers and then mountain fighters or combat swimmers , the 2°REP counts 7 compagnies , the 1st being the antitank , urban and night ops comp. , the 2nd being the amphibious assault unit with combat swimmers , the 3rd co is the mountain warfare one , the 4th , being for sniping and demolition , the 5th is the maintenance comp. , 6th recon andsupport and 7 being the HQ), and on the last pic to the right , a french paratrooper from some first line airborne unit , i doubt he's from the 1st RPIMA because these men don't often wear insignas such as red berrets , so he might be from the 2nd RPIMA or 11th DP's(airborne div.) GCP (commando paratroopers group)

the unit i've talked about in my last post is the equivalent of Seal Team Six or the german Kampfschwimmers but french men are more specialized

the commando Hubert is a "Commando D'Action Sous Marine"(CASM) , its first compagny is a 50 men strong Underwater Action Commando composed of combat swimmers specialised in 4 domains , each domain has its own section , the command and logistics section , maritime C/T section , Swimmer Delivery Vehicle section , Recon and heavy weapons support section

the second compagny is a normal combat swimmers (but it has more advanced HQ and commad elements) unit as the four others commandos Trepel (coastal assault in preparation of beach landings , protection of navy supplies) , Jaubert (Coastal assault , skirmishes , psychological actions , combat of attrition ), De Monfort (coastal assault in preparation of beach landings , protection of navy supplies) and Penfenteyo (RESCO(french for CSAR) on enemy coasts)

These navy commandos (except for the Hubert) are each 80 men strong and share the same composition : 4 sections , command , support , assault and recon

the french navy SF also count another entity called GCMC (Goupement de Combat en Milieu Clos) a Close Quarters Combat Group specialized in boats assault , just like the second section of the 1st compagny of the Hubert commando , and for this reason , the commando hubert assists the GCMC for the logistics and support , but the GCMC isn't apart of the HUbert commando

most of the french SF units depend of the COS (Spec Ops Command) , command that is common to all the arms (Army , Navy and Air Force)

but each arm keeps 1 or 2 units of commando specialized troops under its command for practical reasons even if the COS consists of the best of the best of Special Forces troops france counts

for more info , make a research on google at : French COS special forces

one more precision : the RPIMa's don't belong to the Navy even if they have the name of Marine , they depend of the Army

i've had the luck to meet people from various units of the COS including some of the most famous ones and they are really great and show real profesionalism

for most of them , their life is their affectation in the Special Forces , they are the cream of the cream

[PHY_Hawkeye 0]

Watched tonights episode, it was nice to see Col Dempsey get some decent screen time. It think there was a rather cheekey line at the start of the episode:

"Blame the French, it's worked before."

Do you think the writers were trying to offend?

Dodsey resigning his commission? They shoulda got rid of that newbie trooper. Still, it was hilarious watching him get chased across the rugby field

Apart from that, nothing much happened.

[The Frenchman 0]

if that is a realistic portrayal of British Intelligence I take back all I said about the ineptitude of American intelligence!

At least it portrayed it better that this movie on British inteligence:

Yeah baby yeah!

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[Jinef 2]

If you have watched Ultimate Force throughout then you know they are quite dedicated to trying to get it as realistic as possible, they even use the Augusta 109s that the SAS use specially. In the bank assault they showed him firing two rounds through the spinal cord to disable all nerve actions of the terrorist. They use the army jargon and quite often don't bother explaining it, this adds realism too.

About the flashbang, you have a large grenade full of magnesium and you combust it under high pressure, it is designed to make large flash and stun and disorientate people up to 20 ft away. Hmm i wouldn't expect it to flash like that! I think you'll find that they used a real flashbang, they are not hard to obtain for movie purposes and there are different types available.

It is a pity how the soldiers are portrayed as violent wankers who just want to kill stuff, and that new guy was a bit of a dickhead, people who go through the mental challenge of getting into the SAS and have the experience to be able to pass the selection do not have that little regard for human life and will be a lot less gung ho, i think this was the most unrealistic aspect of the series.

If you read books by Andy Macnab like B20 and Immediate Action you can draw a lot of comparisons between real life and this series. Also Andy Macnab has released some fiction which has shitloads of techniques and tricks revealed in them which are probably founded from his training and his deviant childhood :-)

The twists are ok, i wouldn't call it top notch fiction, but definately a good read when not doing anything for a few hours.

[ran 0]

It is a pity how the soldiers are portrayed as violent wankers who just want to kill stuff, and that new guy was a bit of a dickhead, people who go through the mental challenge of getting into the SAS and have the experience to be able to pass the selection do not have that little regard for human life and will be a lot less gung ho,  i think this was the most unrealistic aspect of the series.

one of the motto of the french armed forces is : "sans haine et passion" or "ni haine ni colére" , which means "without hatred and passion" and "no hatred , no anger"

and that illustrates well the general state of mind in most of the western first line armed forces as you say about the SAS

[Jinef 2]

That's a good motto, i wish it was followed by more country's armed forces.

[Milkman 1]

I was just watching some show the other night even worse than ultimate force! It was literally Counterstrike! Looked like they were playing on as_oilrig and there was even a terrorist with a C4!! The guns were hilarious, the Ak47 had no muzzle flash, and the bolt didnt even expend used shells, it looked like my Ak47 airsoft gun to be honest.

[the_unknown_one 0]

was it rated "PG"?

i thiink ive heard of it, ill watch it when it next comes on!

the_unknown_one

[CoolCarlos2002 2]

I was just watching some show the other night even worse than ultimate force! It was literally Counterstrike! Looked like they were playing on as_oilrig and there was even a terrorist with a C4!! The guns were hilarious, the Ak47 had no muzzle flash, and the bolt didnt even expend used shells, it looked like my Ak47 airsoft gun to be honest.

I'm pretty sure all CS fans enjoyed that show

[EBass 0]

I thought (think) ultimate force is a pretty decent show. Whats more when people ask for realism what they really want half the time is bordom. Someone said they'd have an OP on that place for weeks. But just because they didnt show it doesent mean it isnt there.

Do you REALLY want a show which shows ALL parts of special forces life, including hiding in a bush for days on end occasionally takeing a few intelligense pictures and shitting into plastic bags? Nah thought not.

And just for the record American TV is comparitivly absolutely horrible to UK TV. In my humble opinion.

[the_unknown_one 0]

i dont think its rubbish, i just think some of it is silly.

the_unknown_one

i watched the second one today (We recorded he episode cos i wanted to see it) and it showed some of the firefight aain. I didnt realise quite how explosive the flashbang ws. it MUST have detonated fuel or something. and i can understand the french SF shooting him when he was going for the gun, but he kept shting him on the way down sfter being shot. the fench guy shot him, and nearly used up a whole mag on him before he hit teh floor.

the_unknown_one

[ran 0]

we had a nice show here in France about an armed response team like the GIGN or SWAT , it was called B.R.I.G.A.D. and featured some nice and realistic actions scenes and shown some parts of the troops training , there wasn't much violence in the serie , but the overall thing was really well done with good acting , realistic situations and equipment , I liked it a lot

[USSoldier11B 0]

Quote[/b] ]He shoots through a man, AND into another girl, with an MP-5 which uses 9mm bullets if i am not wrong, and she STILL died. Im not really a gun expert, but i dont think this is realistic. And that flashbang was very flashy and bangy.

Hmmm, depends on the ammo. A hot loaded FMJ 9mm round would likely overpenetratem but CT teams tend to carry JHP lower velocity rounds, especially if the are using supressors, in which case they would use sub-sonic ammo.

Flashbangs are very "flashy" and "bangy" at 2.42 million candlepower and 174.5 decibles at five feet from detonation.

[Jinef 2]

Read the whole thing mate, they made a mistake, she was shot by the French special forces leader at the same time he was shot by the SAS soldier.

[ran 0]

Read the whole thing mate, they made a mistake, she was shot by the French special forces leader at the same time he was shot by the SAS soldier.

ooooh yeah , we're too dumb to tell other goverments we go in and we shoot at hostages ........ yeah yeah yeah .......

edit :

shitty show

[CoolCarlos2002 2]

Read the whole thing mate, they made a mistake, she was shot by the French special forces leader at the same time he was shot by the SAS soldier.

ooooh yeah , we're too dumb to tell other goverments we go in and we shoot at hostages ........ yeah yeah yeah .......

edit :

shitty show

I'm sure you wouldnt call it a shitty show if it was the french that shot the SAS killing all sas units  

[ralphwiggum 6]

ran's criteria of a good show.

plenty of white flags

dining scene must feature a wine and cheese

aside from jokes, i really do not put much faith in tvs recreating actual event. they tend to screwup when it comes to guns.

[ran 0]

Read the whole thing mate, they made a mistake, she was shot by the French special forces leader at the same time he was shot by the SAS soldier.

ooooh yeah , we're too dumb to tell other goverments we go in and we shoot at hostages ........ yeah yeah yeah .......

edit :

shitty show

I'm sure you wouldnt call it a shitty show if it was the french that shot the SAS killing all sas units  

heh ? THAT would rock

just kidding , but what about a TV show showing the real cooperation existing between various forces ?