The Iraq Thread 2

[bn880 5]

During the actual war I used to watch Al-Jazeera's web-feed. It wasn't translated so I didn't understand a word they were saying. What I did see was that they gave interviews from both sides. You had some US general talking and then some Iraqi official etc

Basically it looked rather balanced to me.

Then they got their English subtitles up. Sure, they were giving reports from both sides but they were also editorializing beyond belief. Not uncommon were phrases like "the zionist infidels were killed by the hand of the brave Iraqi people" etc

Their bias is way way beyond CNN and even way beyond FOXNews.

But, I think that they absolutely should have the right to free speech and most certainly that they should not get bombed.

Heh, I didn't know about that one...

[Apollo 0]

Just shows you how high above the human race the United States think they are. If people truly beleive this, then it shows that indeed that they know nothing about the world.

Yes, the rest of the world are nothing more than neandertals trying to invent fire, yet the Americans are nothing less than gods.

Well ,that was only FOX though ,i don't think it reflect's the U.S society as a whole.There are many mondial American's ,but the shortsighted Americans make more noise so to speak.

[DracoPaladore 0]

Of course not. But the article itself is a good show of how much talent the FOX news network has in writers. Right now, that they've finally got their prize Saddam, they are more confident than ever and probobly will do this sort of thing over again.

One thing that wouldn't surprise me if Americans actually defended the article. But hey, the war is over. So there is nothing new to write about. Deaths of soldiers is getting too depressing, and it's non-patriotic, so they have to come up with something.

[DracoPaladore 0]

Well, if you people are inclined enough, you can properly respond to the writer here: jegorin@erols.com

Careful! Don't hurt her brain.

[Apollo 0]

I have just send her a mail.

[Crazysheep 1]

I have just send her a mail.  

Could you post a copy here please?

[ran 0]

a shame you can't put explosives in e-mails .......

[TexMex Leprechaun 0]

Quote[/b] ]Hardly "left radicals" by non-US standards, comrade.

And anyways, weren't Clark and Dean the most likely democrat candidates?

Yeah, I know, most of Europe probably does nto cinsider them radical, but then again I consider most of Europe left wing radicals. No, Sharpton or Hillary have no chance of ggeting elected, but if they did I would be extremly tempted to change my status as an American.

[EiZei 0]

Yeah, I know, most of Europe probably does nto cinsider them radical, but then again I consider most of Europe left wing radicals. No, Sharpton or Hillary have no chance of ggeting elected, but if they did I would be extremly tempted to change my status as an American.

A real left wing radical would have your CEOs lined up against a wall and have them shot or sent to alaska.

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a shame you can't put explosives in e-mails .......

So guess that frenchies DO support terrorists then..

[ralphwiggum 6]

<s>Bush</s> Aznar visits troops in Iraq.

Quote[/b] ]BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- In a morale-boosting show of support, Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar Saturday made a brief, whirlwind visit to 1,300 Spanish peacekeeping troops in southern Iraq.

The visit comes as the violence persists throughout Iraq nine months after the war began. The Coalition Provisional Authority told CNN that 15 insurgents engaged a 4th Infantry Division in a gunbattle north of Fallujah. Three insurgents were killed, and there were no coalition casualties.

Aznar -- in what is his first trip to Iraq since the U.S.-led war began in March -- appeared to be taking a cue from President Bush, who made an unannounced visit last Thanksgiving to see U.S. troops in Baghdad. The trip wasn't made public until Bush arrived at his Iraqi destination.

The prime minister and a 17-member delegation traveled to Spain's main base of Diwaniyah, the Spanish news agency EFE reported, a city about 100 miles south of Baghdad. Defense Minister Federico Trillo and several senior aides were among those in the delegation.

Aznar arrived in Iraq at 10:45 a.m. (2:45 a.m. ET), and ate lunch with the troops. He headed home four hours later after the surprise trip, a Spanish reporter told CNN partner station CNN+.

For security reasons, the trip was kept a secret to outsiders until after Aznar's party arrived in Iraq, Aznar's office told CNN+.

[ran 0]

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a shame you can't put explosives in e-mails .......

So guess that frenchies DO support terrorists then..

remember .... Satanique , Greenpeace , Rainbow Warrior , DGSE

[DracoPaladore 0]

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a shame you can't put explosives in e-mails .......

So guess that frenchies DO support terrorists then..

remember .... Satanique , Greenpeace , Rainbow Warrior , DGSE

FLQ

[joltan 0]

FLQ

French Liberation of Quebec?

[miles teg 1]

Hmm.... damn we better watch those Acadians and Cajuns here in the US. Before we know it, they may start sabotaging our military by throwing crawdads, okra, and catfish into tank gun barrels and sneaky stuff like that!!! They need to pass laws to stop them from speaking that Frenchy stuff that's not even real French! The agents of Nepolean are probably all over the place in their communities!!!

Note: I'm being sarcastic by the way. I actually love Cajun culture, and more importantly, Cajun food!!!

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[ran 0]

note that without us dropping Louisiana no "Far west" expansion ...

[Apollo 0]

Quote[/b] ]note that without us dropping Louisiana no "Far west" expansion ...

Well ,it was technicly sold ,though afcourse for a rediculously low price.

France was a Key partner if not the most important for the U.S from it's independance onward to the end of the 19th century ,it's Only in the 20th century that the U.S began to overshadow European powers.

France IMO is entitled to some more respect that it get's from the U.S media these days.

[TexMex Leprechaun 0]

Quote[/b] ]France IMO is entitled to some more respect that it get's from the U.S media these days.

Yeah thnaks France for helping us win our independence, to bad you can't be a friend anymore, or trusted. France deserves no repsect anymore from America, but Im not going to get into a flame war Ill just drop it there. Napoleon was desperate for money, why he sold the land, not to help U.S..

Quote[/b] ]A real left wing radical would have your CEOs lined up against a wall and have them shot or sent to alaska.  

Heh yeah, or run for the Democratic nomination.....

[ran 0]

Yeah thnaks France for helping us win our independence, to bad you can't be a friend anymore, or trusted. France deserves no repsect anymore from America, but Im not going to get into a flame war Ill just drop it there. Napoleon was desperate for money, why he sold the land, not to help U.S..

if he was so desperate for money , i think he would have sold this piece of land at a higher price ....

i won't jump into a flamewar either ....

[bn880 5]

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a shame you can't put explosives in e-mails .......

So guess that frenchies DO support terrorists then..

remember .... Satanique , Greenpeace , Rainbow Warrior , DGSE

Remember what Bush said, you're either with us or with the terrorists. Obviously France, Germany and Russia are with the terrorists, in Bushies little pea brain.

EDIT: Correction, Obviously most of the world is with the terrorists.

[ozanzac 0]

Quote[/b] ]My definition of a threat is someone who destablises world peace by:

1. Setting an example that pre-emptive strikes against supposed enemy nations is OK, even if you can't produce proof that these nations were ever a threat to you

I can agree a little on this statement, we went to war on the wrong agenda, we should have gone for humanitarian aid, which is an obvious choice, because Saddam was a psychopathic murderer, who enjoyed giving acid baths and slowly putting people in meat grinders before their families eyes. If you want to end a genocide, take direct action like we have, despots don't give a F*** about santions. Or is it wrong to save people from a despot? How would you like it if Australia was like Iraq, and noone cared enough to free you?

Sorry for the lateness of this response, but I'll voice my opinion anyway.

Chances are, if Australia got to the point where it was like Iraq, it would in one way or another have been from the actions of America's foreign policy, like it or not.

Why did Iraq get out of control. America nurtured Saddam and his corrupt and destructive regime until he did something that made America uncomfortable and invaded Kuwait. Then all of a sudden, you realise you can't control him, uh oh, your experiment with world politics backfired......... again.

On the other side of things, America creates enemies out of the people it doesn't support on the international stage. You supported Batista (a currupt dictator) before Castro in Cuba, and when Castro extended the hand for potential freindship between America and Cuba after the revolution, but before he aligned himself with the commies, you snubbed him off. America was Cuba's lifeline, and Eisenhower knew that at the time, yet you snubbed him off. Had America simply let Cuba gain back some national pride, Castro probably wouldn't have had to turn to the other side, which you forced him to do. And it was only after he did turn commie, that you took notice of him, trying to destabilize his government through CIA US government activities.

Hence the problem that America has on world policy. You make the leaders of nations bend over backwards for your benefit, even if it means installing the most corrupt, pro-american son of a bitch you can find, who will kill his own people to be your freind. (Very un-american, don't you think) and if a worlds leader doesn't or didn't conform to the mold you want them to be in, they get forced to the otherside for protection because you threaten them with sanctions e.t.c. , and after that, do all in your power to destabilise the system in place in that nation to install another corrupt pro-american son of a bitch, that is probably just as repressive as the anti-american bastard before him, thus the people of that nation still get nowhere, despite all you pretenses.

It's a almost neverending cycle, yet still your not quite sure why most of the worlds people hate America, or don't enjoy having their government associated with America.

So America shouldn't change their tune to "Oh, we can still justify our war on humanitarian grounds" because that would have been a justifiable reason when he gassed the Kurds, 15 years ago.  Yet America let him get away with it then, and America did nothing to rectify it.

GWII was a rectification for just another srew-up in a long line of screw ups in American foreign policy, though it's never screwed up for the Americans themselves, because they always end up getting what they want anyway, and in some instances, they end up getting what they deserve; instead, their actions screw up the rest of the world., and you get on with your happy lives, blissfully oblivious to the timebomb that your government helped to build, that culminated in 9/11.

[denoir 0]

Quote[/b] ]France IMO is entitled to some more respect that it get's from the U.S media these days.

Yeah thnaks France for helping us win our independence, to bad you can't be a friend anymore

Yeah, I agree. It's going to take a long time before France can start trusting USA again. I mean, what kind of friend would go and do such a serious thing as starting a war against the will of a friend. Yepp, it's going to take a long time before not just France, but most of the world will be able to trust America again.

Bush certainly made a good job of alienating all your friends and allies. Not to mention those that weren't crazy about you in the first place.

1. September 11th - all the world is with USA. Everybody offers their help. For the first time in history, NATO unanimously offers military help. All of UN is behind USA. And Chirac was by the way the first foregin leader to visit ground zero.

2. Bush does his stuff. In Afghanistan he completely ignores all his friends and allies that offered their help. He backs out on numerous international treaties and tries to marginalize the UN.

3. Against the wishes of USA's friends and allies and the international community in general he starts a war against Iraq,

Yes, Bush managed to go from a point where America's popularity had reached record levels to a point where anti-Americanism has reached epic proportions.

So yeah, after that France and others can't really be your friend now. It will take some time to repair the damage that Bush has done by being a lousy "friend".

[TexMex Leprechaun 0]

Quote[/b] ]Yeah, I agree. It's going to take a long time before France can start trusting USA again. I mean, what kind of friend would go and do such a serious thing as starting a war against the will of a friend.

We did not go against the will of a friend, we went against the will of France.

Quote[/b] ]1. September 11th - all the world is with USA. Everybody offers their help. For the first time in history, NATO unanimously offers military help. All of UN is behind USA. And Chirac was by the way the first foregin leader to visit ground zero.

Wonder what Chriac planned to get out of it? Besides I wish the U.S. woud leave the U.N.. The U.N. is the biggest joke ever, I want nothing to do with them.

Quote[/b] ] Against the wishes of USA's friends and allies and the international community in general he starts a war against Iraq,

Yes we should always listen to our "friends" when our saftey is at stake. I could not imagine hurting our "friend's" dealing with Iraq so that we(Americans) could be safer. I apologize.

Quote[/b] ]Yes, Bush managed to go from a point where America's popularity had reached record levels to a point where anti-Americanism has reached epic proportions.

So yeah, after that France and others can't really be your friend now. It will take some time to repair the damage that Bush has done by being a lousy "friend".

France has not been a friend for along time, and any country that is not our "friend" anymore becuase of the war was never a friend in the first place. Maybe some people worry about what the world think more than I do, but im not to worried becuase when you worry about what others think it creates problems.

[denoir 0]

We did not go against the will of a friend, we went against the will of France.

Against the will of France and against the will of about 170 other nations.

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Besides I wish the U.S. woud leave the U.N.. The U.N. is the biggest joke ever, I want nothing to do with them.

Funny thing since your country is one of the two countries that had the most benefit of the UN. Had it not been for the UN USA and Russia would most likely be parking lots. Selective memory is very convenient, right?

Quote[/b] ]Yes we should always listen to our "friends" when our saftey is at stake. I could not imagine hurting our "friend's" dealing with Iraq so that we(Americans) could be safer. I apologize.

And how exactly was your safety at stake? You mean that you were threatened by the non-existing WMD. Or was it the non-existing terrorist ties? Or was it just that you wanted to be nice to Osama by focusing on another problem?

Quote[/b] ]France has not been a friend for along time, and any country that is not our "friend" anymore becuase of the war was never a friend in the first place.

Oh, so the countries that don't do exaclty what you wish and don't agree with you on everything are not your friends? If that is your definition of what a friend is then I predict that you will have a very lonely life.

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Maybe some people worry about what the world think more than I do, but im not to worried becuase when you worry about what others think it creates problems.

I think that Saddam would most certainly agree with you on that.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]We did not go against the will of a friend, we went against the will of France.

Denoir already flattened him on this so I won´t push further

Quote[/b] ]Wonder what Chriac planned to get out of it? Besides I wish the U.S. woud leave the U.N.. The U.N. is the biggest joke ever, I want nothing to do with them.

As long as you pronounce CHIRAC as CHRIAC there are a lot of things to do...

And Mr. Smartman could you please explain to me how several major conflicts could have been solved without the UN ?

With US forces ? Hehe sorry, but you got no idea.

Quote[/b] ]Yes we should always listen to our "friends" when our saftey is at stake. I could not imagine hurting our "friend's" dealing with Iraq so that we(Americans) could be safer. I apologize.

Ohhhhhhh yes, the WMD´s...

Excuse me  but where are they?

Where are the links to AQ ?

Where is the connection to Nigeria uranium contracts that have been proven to be a fake done by your own CIA.

No joke, this is proofable.

Quote[/b] ]France has not been a friend for along time, and any country that is not our "friend" anymore becuase of the war was never a friend in the first place. Maybe some people worry about what the world think more than I do, but im not to worried becuase when you worry about what others think it creates problems.

i´m so sorry Mr Uninformed, but we activate our brain before we send our people to war without any reason like your government did. Can you name one reason that was listed as a justification for this war by YOUR government that has proven to be true ?

Can you ?

Do you think our intellegance agencies do know less than yours?

So how does it come that we in germany have taken people to court who were alleged with 9/11 while you , your country and your GBW government halted all investigations only 3 months later ?!?

The war on Iraq with the US/Brits reasons was far from being legitimate. No discussion here. No WMD´s have been found.

No threat has been found. No democracy has been installed. No freedom for people. No democracy, BUT Halliburton contracts.

You want to explain this to an old worthless UN trooper ?

Do so quick !

[TexMex Leprechaun 0]

Quote[/b] ]Against the will of France and against the will of about 170 other nations.

Sorry.......

Quote[/b] ]Funny thing since your country is one of the two countries that had the most benefit of the UN. Had it not been for the UN USA and Russia would most likely be parking lots. Selective memory is very convenient, right?

I do not know enough about the former U.N. to comment on it, although I should. I am talking about the U.N. that has been around for the last 10 or so years.

Quote[/b] ]And how exactly was your safety at stake? You mean that you were threatened by the non-existing WMD. Or was it the non-existing terrorist ties? Or was it just that you wanted to be nice to Osama by focusing on another problem?

Im not sure if Iraq has WMDs or not, but I do believe they could have gotten them, and that is enough to go in, and yes I believe Saddam would have helped the terrorist. Besides Osama does need a break.....

Quote[/b] ]Oh, so the countries that don't do exaclty what you wish and don't agree with you on everything are not your friends? If that is your definition of what a friend is then I predict that you will have a very lonely life.

Never said this. What I am saying is that any country that no longer wants to be so called "friends" with us anymore becuase we went to war was never really our friend, nothing to so with differnace of opinions. See friends can disagree yet stay firends. I never wanted anything to do with France or many if not all of the other countries.

Quote[/b] ]I think that Saddam would most certainly agree with you on that.

I guess.