Ever wanted to take a ride in an an su-30mk?

[FSPilot 0]

Ok, I took it up to a little over 7000m, got it pretty slow (around 250kmph), then gave it full left rudder/aileron. It started to do something resembling a spin, but kept accelerating. I sat there and watched as it kept going fast and faster. I guess it was accelerating to infinity or something because my screen whited out and I had to end the game.

[Commander-598 0]

Dude, you don't need Hypersnap. Just press Print Screen and paste into your favorite imaging program. Like in Mspaint its: Edit->Paste

[Tovarish 0]

Dude, you don't need Hypersnap. Just press Print Screen and paste into your favorite imaging program. Like in Mspaint its: Edit->Paste

Yeah! Thanks!...or....I could just NOT hit alt-tab everytime I want to save a screenshot and use a program like hypersnap :P .

FS - don't know what to tell you, I'm having no problems spinning now on "Maneuver" mode

[FSPilot 0]

I'm having some wierd trouble with this program. If I simply push print screen I get really messed up colors. If I use FSScreen I get the same colors. If I use hypersnap I end up crashing the program. And of course there's the spinning into infinity thing

[R. Gerschwarzenge 0]

Dude, you don't need Hypersnap. Just press Print Screen and paste into your favorite imaging program. Like in Mspaint its: Edit->Paste

Yeah! Thanks!...or....I could just NOT hit alt-tab everytime I want to save a screenshot and use a program like hypersnap :P .

FS - don't know what to tell you, I'm having no problems spinning now on "Maneuver" mode

Fraps has a screenshot button too and you won't get any stupid tags on the pictures.

[Necromancer- 0]

I'm having some wierd trouble with this program.  If I simply push print screen I get really messed up colors.  If I use FSScreen I get the same colors.  If I use hypersnap I end up crashing the program.  And of course there's the spinning into infinity thing

I have that too.... spinning into the infinity.

Probably just a bug.

[FSPilot 0]

My only complaint is that it needs more power.

*tim allen grunt*

Seriously, it'd be the best airshow machine out there if it could hover. Use those vectored thrust nozzles to control it.

[Tovarish 0]

Seriously, it'd be the best airshow machine out there if it could hover.  Use those vectored thrust nozzles to control it.

Well it can just about hover from what I can see, not like a Harrier but long enough to do what it needs to anyway . VTOL would require a pretty significant redesign, you just wouldn't have the same AC anymore.

I'm really going to miss this baby in Lo-Mac. With the ability to Somersault and perform all those other extreeme AoA/Low speed maneuvers AND Helmet-sight targetting with R-73's, it would be unstoppable close in. Then again I guess it would kill game balance....hmm...ok here's the deal, as soon as Lo-Mac comes out buy it and start demanding for an F-22 and an Su-30mk in an addon . Till then the MiGs and the other Flankers will keep me happy, they can perform most of those maneuvers anyways, with the exception of stuff like the Somersault.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Well it can just about hover from what I can see, not like a Harrier but long enough to do what it needs to anyway . VTOL would require a pretty significant redesign, you just wouldn't have the same AC anymore.

I'm really going to miss this baby in Lo-Mac. With the ability to Somersault and perform all those other extreeme AoA/Low speed maneuvers AND Helmet-sight targetting with R-73's, it would be unstopplable close in. Then again I guess it would kill game balance....hmm...ok here's the deal, as soon as Lo-Mac comes out buy it and start demanding for an F-22 and an Su-30mk in an addon . Till then the MiGs and the other Flankers will keep me happy, they can perform most of those maneuvers anyways, with the exception of stuff like the Somersault.

Obviously, years of late and/or inadequate pay have left Russia's pilots very bitter and extremely willing to push the envelope with government property you can't beat disgruntled fighter pilots when it comes to revolutionizing air combat doctrine lol

[SKULLS_Viper 0]

I'm having some wierd trouble with this program.  If I simply push print screen I get really messed up colors.  If I use FSScreen I get the same colors.  If I use hypersnap I end up crashing the program.  And of course there's the spinning into infinity thing

Same here.I even tryed to paste it to Paint shop pro and it didn't help.

And also, when you get into that spinning into infinite bug, the game crashes.

[Tovarish 0]

I'm having some wierd trouble with this program.  If I simply push print screen I get really messed up colors.  If I use FSScreen I get the same colors.  If I use hypersnap I end up crashing the program.  And of course there's the spinning into infinity thing

Same here.I even tryed to paste it to Paint shop pro and it didn't help.

And also, when you get into that spinning into infinite bug, the game crashes.

Are you guys running it under Windows 98 emulation if you have XP? That might help.

[FSPilot 0]

Quote[/b] ]Well it can just about hover from what I can see, not like a Harrier but long enough to do what it needs to anyway . VTOL would require a pretty significant redesign, you just wouldn't have the same AC anymore.

Lol, that's not what I mean.

I saw this trick once, in a flight sim but it probably be possible in real life, where an F-16 comes along nice and slow, then pulls up to the vertical and adds power. Since the F-16 has such a good thrust to weight ratio it can accelerate vertically and also hover. The guy sat there and hovered for a good 30 seconds then climbed out and left the area. I don't know how he controlled the aircraft, but it would be possible with the Su-30's vectored thrust nozzles.

Quote[/b] ]Are you guys running it under Windows 98 emulation if you have XP? That might help.

How do we do that?

[blackdog~ 0]

you right click the shortcut and go to "compatibility"

[Tovarish 0]

Quote[/b] ]Well it can just about hover from what I can see, not like a Harrier but long enough to do what it needs to anyway . VTOL would require a pretty significant redesign, you just wouldn't have the same AC anymore.

Lol, that's not what I mean.

I saw this trick once, in a flight sim but it probably be possible in real life, where an F-16 comes along nice and slow, then pulls up to the vertical and adds power.  Since the F-16 has such a good thrust to weight ratio it can accelerate vertically and also hover.  The guy sat there and hovered for a good 30 seconds then climbed out and left the area.  I don't know how he controlled the aircraft, but it would be possible with the Su-30's vectored thrust nozzles.

uhhh....You know those three pics of a Tailslide I showed in the last page...that's pretty much what you're describing . I was pointing  roughly 90 degrees up, at more or less the same altitude, while slowly sliding forwards  (due to the momentum from when I began the maneuver) . I don't think however that would work in real life in an F-16 for two reasons - the air intake in the F-16 is not designed to handle the high AoA the Flanker and Fulcrum can pull - it would be starved of air. The MiG and the Sukhoi have air slats on top of the intakes that open at extreeme AoA's. Also, the G/AoA limiter would prevent it, and in the F-16 you can't switch those off as you can in the MiG and Sukhoi.

Quote[/b] ]How do we do that?

Right click on fly.exe -> properties -> Compatibility -> Run this program in compatibility mode for -> Windows 98/Me

[SKULLS_Viper 0]

I'm having some wierd trouble with this program.  If I simply push print screen I get really messed up colors.  If I use FSScreen I get the same colors.  If I use hypersnap I end up crashing the program.  And of course there's the spinning into infinity thing

Same here.I even tryed to paste it to Paint shop pro and it didn't help.

And also, when you get into that spinning into infinite bug, the game crashes.

Are you guys running it under Windows 98 emulation if you have XP? That might help.

Yup.Its doing it both in XP, and under compatibility mode Windows 98 / Windows Me.Its just the pictures are only like 4 colors.Mostly black.

[FSPilot 0]

Quote[/b] ]uhhh....You know those three pics of a Tailslide I showed in the last page...that's pretty much what you're describing . I was pointing roughly 90 degrees up, at more or less the same altitude, while slowly sliding forwards (due to the momentum from when I began the maneuver) .

How'd you pull that off? I can't hold my own altitude with nothing but thrust.

Quote[/b] ]Right click on fly.exe -> properties -> Compatibility -> Run this program in compatibility mode for -> Windows 98/Me

Worked a little better, but the pictures are still wierd.

[Tovarish 0]

Quote[/b] ]uhhh....You know those three pics of a Tailslide I showed in the last page...that's pretty much what you're describing . I was pointing  roughly 90 degrees up, at more or less the same altitude, while slowly sliding forwards  (due to the momentum from when I began the maneuver) .

How'd you pull that off?  I can't hold my own altitude with nothing but thrust.

Took a little practice,started off fairly slow, pulled up and worked the throttle watching my altitude. I was loosing alt slowly - you can tell by the smoke on the third pic. You can accelerate while climbing in modern planes, but that dosen't nessesarily mean accelerate/climb while pointing nose up - you need wings for something after all :P. BTW, here's an F-16 pilot's explanation of why they aren't capable of maneuvers like the bell, cobra, ect:

Quote from an F-16C squadron commander that practiced against German MiGs (Source - Jane's how to Fly and Fight in the Mikoyan MiG-29)

We have a limiter, which ensures that we cannot exceed the airplane's g and alpha limits, period. You can pull as hard as you like and the black boxes will not let the airplane exeed 9 g, and will not let us rake the nose too much. The airplane won't let the pilot get in trouble! In the MiG-29, when you pull the g, you start feeling a limit on the stick, but by applying pressure you can pull through that and then you can go beyond 26 degrees AoA and beyond your 9g

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It's very impressive the way those engines can keep running in the face of what must be severe air flow distortions. I flew a tail slide in the MiG-29 and that was just eye-watering. The tail slide is pretty much a deliberate whip-stall. You engage full afterburner, pull the nose up to 90 degrees, and let the airspeed decay and decay until the MiG flies back on its tail. We can't do that in the  F-16 due to the intake, the way the intake is designed. The MiG-29 is real  nice at low speeds and high angles of attack because he has the dorsal vents for the engine over the wingroots

[FSPilot 0]

You wouldn't need to be moving forward if you had enough thrust though. If you're pointed 90 degrees up in a 2000 pound plane with an engine that generates 3000 pounds of thrust, 2000 pounds of that thrust are going to be used to keep the plane in the air, and the extra 1000 pounds are going to accelerate the plane vertically. It's the same thing with rockets, they don't have wings, they just use thrust to go up.

And am I the only one that can only pull about 34 degrees AoA? I've got the AoA limiter turned off (A key) and the plane is in maneuver mode (M key), but the thing just won't do more than 34 degrees.

[Tovarish 0]

You wouldn't need to be moving forward if you had enough thrust though.  If you're pointed 90 degrees up in a 2000 pound plane with an engine that generates 3000 pounds of thrust, 2000 pounds of that thrust are going to be used to keep the plane in the air, and the extra 1000 pounds are going to accelerate the plane vertically.  It's the same thing with rockets, they don't have wings, they just use thrust to go up.

We're not quite flying rockets though ;)

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And am I the only one that can only pull about 34 degrees AoA?  I've got the AoA limiter turned off (A key) and the plane is in maneuver mode (M key), but the thing just won't do more than 34 degrees.

At what speed?the best maneuvering speed I find is about 350km/h. BTW, trust me on this, "A" key does nothing on this one, you just need "M". "A" key was in SSI's Flanker simulation when you were outside the navigational avionics modes, and here those are all you have. Yoiu're just enabling an autopilot with no waypoints. And i haven't been watching the AoA readings to be honest, but 34 is well past the norm

[FSPilot 0]

Quote[/b] ]We're not quite flying rockets though ;)

That's the problem.

Quote[/b] ]At what speed?the best maneuvering speed I find is about 350km/h. BTW, trust me on this, "A" key does nothing on this one, you just need "M". "A" key was in SSI's Flanker simulation when you were outside the navigational avionics modes, and here those are all you have. Yoiu're just enabling an autopilot with no waypoints. And i haven't been watching the AoA readings to be honest, but 34 is well past the norm

I posted a link to this thread at frugal's falcon 4 forums. So far only one person has responded, and he's said that an AoA of 180 is "easilly attainable". So far I've only been able to get 34 before the plane starts climbing. I usually do the maneuvers at 370, but that's not set in stone.

[Tovarish 0]

I posted a link to this thread at frugal's falcon 4 forums.  So far only one person has responded, and he's said that an AoA of 180 is "easilly attainable".  So far I've only been able to get 34 before the plane starts climbing.  I usually do the maneuvers at 370, but that's not set in stone.

I don't know which gague he's watching but 34 is the most I get also   Even while Somersaulting. The gague isn't reading it right, no way that the AoA is less or equal to 34 during a tailslide or the finishing stages of a somersault when you're pointing the nose in the complete opposite direction of where you had it pointed 2 seconds ago. I was reading -9 degrees at that moment.

[FSPilot 0]

There's an AoA analog gauge and a digital one on the HUD (I think it's the bottom of three numbers stacked on top of each other. Top is the airspeed, and one of hte other two is AoA, I don't know of the other).

I don't know why the gauge would be reading wrong.

[Tovarish 0]

There's an AoA analog gauge and a digital one on the HUD (I think it's the bottom of three numbers stacked on top of each other.  Top is the airspeed, and one of hte other two is AoA, I don't know of the other).

I don't know why the gauge would be reading wrong.

Just noticed the analog AoA gague (the one with the greek Alpha on it, and the max measurement on it is 40 degrees. It also dosen't go past 34. Looks to me like an instrumentation limitation....whoever's telling you they're reading 180 is looking at the wrong instrument.

[FSPilot 0]

Yeah I just noticed that too. I think he's talking about a known capability of the aircraft and not just what gauge can read.

Fine by me. Makes me feel like I'm breaking the needle off.

[SKULLS_Viper 0]

lol!Try this stunt!

ftp://ftp.ubisoft.com/games/lomac/media/showoff.zip

Taken from Lock on.