Some more military mishap videos

[toadeater 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chris330 @ April 21 2003,22:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Okay that helicopter crash video I found extremely disturbing. Particularly as recent posts tell that I just watched the moment when 7 men died. I am not trying to stir up controversy or anything (really I'm not) as I have noticed most people have replied to this thread with dignity. Please try and remember the fact that the clip is a terrifying testimony to the realities of war and life, and show as much respect as possible when replying to this thread. Oh and I am not American either I am English, but i don't think nationality has anything to do with the point I just raised. Ofp is just a game and nothing more, that is a very distressing glimpse of reality.<span id='postcolor'>

I just thought it was interesting how well BIS has modelled shipboard helicopter landings. If you try to land an OFP helicopter on the landing ship addon, it does the exact same thing this Sea Knight did.

There's no need to get upset, I don't think anyone was laughing at this incident, and it wasn't anything graphic.

If you think this is a depiction of war, you should see some videos from Chechnya and Africa, you might decide to become a monk after that. People need to see these things at least once in their lives, if they do perhaps then they will respect what war truly is a bit more, rather than think it's all like something from a Hollwood movie or CNN where they don't show the casualties. Makes it all nice and "clean" then doesn't it?

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ April 22 2003,07:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yepp, alive in one piece and not injured. It's the same test pilot you see ejecting on the other clip (that was 4 years later).

He retired after that  <span id='postcolor'>

with his luck I'd like to see how he did at the lottery!

[R. Gerschwarzenge 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ April 21 2003,20:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jas 39 Gripen had two crashes. The amazing part was that the both planes were flown by the same pilot (who safely ejected on both occasions). Both crashes were due to software errors.

JAS Crash in Linköping

JAS Crash in Stockholm<span id='postcolor'>

Thanks, Denoir. I've been trying to find these clips.

[SpeedyDonkey 0]

Has the Jas 39 Gripen "only" had two crashes?

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ April 22 2003,03:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ April 22 2003,01:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denoir, you mean the pilot made it out of that landing crash alive!?<span id='postcolor'>

Yepp, alive in one piece and not injured.<span id='postcolor'>

Did he eject or did he remain in the cockpit? At some point during the roll over on the ground, it looks like something shot away from the plane with some flames behind it but you can't tell whether that's wreckage or an ejection seat.

I'm guessing he didn't eject.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sgt. Milkman @ April 22 2003,03:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ April 21 2003,12:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jas 39 Gripen had two crashes. The amazing part was that the both planes were flown by the same pilot (who safely ejected on both occasions). Both crashes were due to software errors.

JAS Crash in Linköping

JAS Crash in Stockholm

The second one could have ended very badly since this was in central Stockholm during the annual "Water Festival". Fortunately the plane crashed on a beach in a park and nobody got hurt.

Edit: fixed second link<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah windows 98 will do that to you.    <span id='postcolor'>

*This jet has a performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. If you continue experiencing problems, please contact your software vendor.

[-TU--33ker 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ April 22 2003,14:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ April 22 2003,03:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ April 22 2003,01:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denoir, you mean the pilot made it out of that landing crash alive!?<span id='postcolor'>

Yepp, alive in one piece and not injured.<span id='postcolor'>

Did he eject or did he remain in the cockpit? At some point during the roll over on the ground, it looks like something shot away from the plane with some flames behind it but you can't tell whether that's wreckage or an ejection seat.

I'm guessing he didn't eject.<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jas 39 Gripen had two crashes. The amazing part was that the both planes were flown by the same pilot (who safely ejected on both occasions). Both crashes were due to software errors.

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[SpeedyDonkey 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jas 39 Gripen had two crashes. The amazing part was that the both planes were flown by the same pilot (who safely ejected on both occasions). Both crashes were due to software errors.

<span id='postcolor'>So how much is he in debt to the Swedish army?

[Jinef 2]

I'm pretty sure he was raising the collective and doing standard (well standard with the royal navy aviators, i asked. I don't do shipborn landings much, i usually just hover over them) emergency procedures. If he had come in astern heading in to the wind it would have been easier. Maybe the US Navy doesn't practice sailing into the wind while recieving aircraft, i'm sure they do as it is the safest, but maybe he was trying to cut corners.I don't know how the guy misjudged a 40 ft difference though, i wouldn't want to be on the end of a fastrope with him flying!

It was basically the equivalent of someone grabbing your leg ( the wire and the wheel snagging) and then you stumbling into the way of a welsh rugby player ( the wind plus the torque of the increasing collective which he couldn't compensate for because of his heavy load plus being pivoted by the wheel) tackling you to your side! I thought the video was going to be of just him banging the side of the ship, but due either to unsafe procedure, pilot error or just being plain unlucky. I would say that he misjudged and then became sticky the stick insect that got stuck on a sticky bun, if you know what i mean. But when, as Badgerboy said, you're in this 'game' you have to think along the lines of - at least you couldn't get a fire!

[Longinius 1]

"So how much is he in debt to the Swedish army?"

1. Airforce, not army

2. He is a test pilot, its in his jobdescription to survive the crashes he is pushing the machine not to cause

[Tovarish 0]

B-52 crash at an airshow

Su-30MK crash at an airshow

MiG-29 middair

[Jinef 2]

Bah, that's what you get for trying to copy the red arrows!

Remember, there's one thing we're still good for, pretty displays!

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ April 22 2003,17:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bah, that's what you get for trying to copy the red arrows!

Remember, there's one thing we're still good for, pretty displays!<span id='postcolor'>

Swifts (MiG-29 aerobatics team) (9.64mb) Better version (18.4mb)

Russian Knights (Su-27 Aerobatics team) (19mb)

No misshaps there except for the unfortunate choice of some very annoying music on the second clip.

[Jinef 2]

But who's got the more pretty areoplanes that go Whoosh across the big blue sky!

With descriptive powers like that how could you deny?

[Blaegis 0]

Since everyone seems to be feeling ghoulish today here are some more fly-by-wire foul-ups. I'm not too good at IDing planes, so some of the names might be wrong. As I remember login and pwd should be "videos" and "videos", if it asks for them.

F-22 prototype crashes on landing

Airbus A320 flies into a forest

and a SeaKing crash

Speaking of that Gripen crash in the middle of Stockholm, I always wondered why the pilot never tried to regain control of the aircraft, but ejected over the middle of his nation's capital with some sort of fair going on below at the same time.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Blaegis @ April 22 2003,21:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Speaking of that Gripen crash in the middle of Stockholm, I always wondered why the pilot never tried to regain control of the aircraft, but ejected over the middle of his nation's capital with some sort of fair going on below at the same time.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, if it was a software error, in the FBW system, then he was more than likely just along for the ride at that point.

[Jinef 2]

Huh, i thought that maybe my heli might have a bit more integrity than in the video, again i hope nobody was hurt.

[Warin 0]

That Airbus crash is pretty amusing when you consider that there wasnt anyone in the A/C. You could almost hear the amusement in the narrators voice as he described it being the first test of a pilotless system.

Poor Air France.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ April 23 2003,00:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That Airbus crash is pretty amusing when you consider that there wasnt anyone in the A/C.  You could almost hear the amusement in the narrators voice as he described it being the first test of a pilotless system.

Poor Air France. <span id='postcolor'>

Ah, guess I missed out on that by watching it on a comp without speakers . I kind of assumed the worst there...

[Badgerboy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ April 22 2003,23:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That Airbus crash is pretty amusing when you consider that there wasnt anyone in the A/C.  You could almost hear the amusement in the narrators voice as he described it being the first test of a pilotless system.

Poor Air France. <span id='postcolor'>

I fucked up gloriously on that account. I was at a Officers Mess dinner at St Athan (Annual Dinner I believe) , and my 'guest' (You get allocated an important geezer for the for the night, who you have to take care of), was a guy who had lead the programming team on the Airbus.

After brief chit chat, and drink fetching, we settled on what he did jobwise. He mentioned that he manage the Airbus's avionic and fly by wire systems. I then told him what a gash job his team had done concerning the airbus (I had too many G + T's by that time), and the incidents in Russia, and France.

He then blamed pilot error on every occasion, which I then rebuted, and ended up having a blazing argument with the guy, who then told me where to stick it and walked off. Feeling smug with myself, my boss (Sqn Ldr) intervened, and kindly informed me who the gentleman was, plus his titles. (Rt Hon, and soon so be 'Sir'.

I spent the rest of the night acting as a drinks monkey to the stuck up bastard.

[FSPilot 0]

lol.

I'll be using that video a lot to try to dissuade future airlines/employers to not adapt a pilotless system    

That Russian Knights video has some pretty good stuff in it (aside from the cheezy opening). I never got the russian helmet/oxygen mask though. Something's just not right about it, cant quite put my finger on it.

[Jinef 2]

I try to stay out of that stuff Badgerboy, don't make friends with officers, they're okay but the people who get things done are the enlisted and NCOs. Us officers are worthless without them!

[Tovarish 0]

Two clips of that F-117 that broke up in middair during an airshow:

http://www.mrvfc.org/amcrashlake.mov

http://www.mrvfc.org/crashairfield.mov

[FSPilot 0]

Wow, that looked pretty violent. Any word on what caused that crash?

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ April 23 2003,00:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> I never got the russian helmet/oxygen mask though.  Something's just not right about it, cant quite put my finger on it.<span id='postcolor'>

US Navy HGU-68/P TACAIR Flight Helmet

Zsh-7 Helmet

Maybe it's that the visor on the current Russian helmet retracts into the helmet itself? I've seem some US helmets that are like that also though.