Eviscerator 0 Posted May 31, 2003 I didnt know about that weapon, someone on the BAS IRc channel showed me a pic of the same weapon and said it was 5.56mm. You may be getting it confused with the M4 SPR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DKM-jaguar Posted May 31, 2003 Actually...i think it could've been. Thanks for clearing that up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJonth Cheeky Monkey 1 Posted May 31, 2003 The SR-15 is the 5.56mm version Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DKM-jaguar Posted May 31, 2003 Thats it! BTW, does the barrel look wider on that han the 7.62 one? i know its in perspective, but it still looks bigger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eviscerator 0 Posted May 31, 2003 Thats it!BTW, does the barrel look wider on that han the 7.62 one? i know its in perspective, but it still looks bigger. Because the SR-25 shown is probably an Airsoft replica, so fires tiny BB's... Edit: 2000th post WAHEY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent_64 0 Posted May 31, 2003 How do you plan on makeing the SEAL team difrent? Other then giveing them other weapons and cammo? Edit: My 100th YEAH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9mm 0 Posted May 31, 2003 An AIRSOFT replica in my post  What a shame...  I shall edit my previous post now  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AngusHeaf 0 Posted May 31, 2003 Haha. At least that last pic is of a relatively good looking airsoft replica from a company called Armored Gallery who happens to build replicas, many times, out of real steel parts. The asian airsofters are real sticklers for accuracy in their replicas. Not so much in this country but definitely over in asia. Hark I have strayed off topic!! ::Flees:: P.S. It's not a real sniper rifle unless it's bolt action!! Oh and from airsoft sniping I can tell you in my limited experience Harris bipods are annoying as hell. Long live Versapod since you can adjust the cant on the gun on uneven terrain without having to fiddle with the legs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lpdotcom 0 Posted May 31, 2003 If we can get back to the point, when can we expect a release of these new navy seals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJonth Cheeky Monkey 1 Posted May 31, 2003 If it was a replica then it would have the right sized barrel, about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJonth Cheeky Monkey 1 Posted May 31, 2003 An AIRSOFT replica in my post  What a shame...  I shall edit my previous post now  Oh your not one of those anti airsoft errr....... people are you? Gees its only a bit of fun whick kicks paintballs ass, if those dumbass 13 year olds wanna go out on the streets and get gunned down by our rather trigger happer Armed Response Unit then thats fine by me, if they are (or where) that stupid in the first place then they needed shooting anyway. Anyway heres a nice pic of a real SR-25 reciever pic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PunkerSXDX 0 Posted May 31, 2003 I'm No Gun expert by any means but isn't the SR-25 kindof a Sniper version of the M16 and the M4 SPR the sniper rifle of the M4? (prolly not just a random thought) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DKM-jaguar Posted May 31, 2003 Maybe, but isnt the whole point in the M4 to be a gap between the M16 and a submachinegun? what's the point in making it into a sniper rifle if the M16 would be more suited to this in the first place? Â I am not talking about just adding scopes, as i can understand that even in urban situations you need to have accuracy on your side and a scope can make this possible. BTW: this is on topic, as it is a discussion about the SEAL's weapons. Â As too the bipod issue: I made my project weapon with a steel, fixed leg length bipod off [i beleive] a FN-41-50 machinegun. This was a simple 'pod, you just push the legs together and the legs' slotted out of the main mount, meaning they were free to swing upwards and under the foregrip. This was extremely simple to use and could not go wrong unless a huge amount of dust and earth got into the slider which pushed the legs apart. my point is: I dont think for the purposes of the average rifle that you need a complex bipod. BUT this does not apply to sniper rifles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJonth Cheeky Monkey 1 Posted May 31, 2003 I suppose its the answer if your looking for a small handy concealable... ish? snipers weapon, I think they are quite accurate too, obviousley your not gonna get the same performance as from a 7.62 weapon, but within 500m you should be able to hit. The SR-15 would be the sniper version of the M16 and the SR-25 is just a 7.62mm version which looks like the AR-10 T, just with a RIS front handguard etc. AR-10 T Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eviscerator 0 Posted May 31, 2003 Quote[/b] ]I'm No Gun expert by any means but isn't the SR-25 kindof a Sniper version of the M16 and the M4 SPR the sniper rifle of the M4? (prolly not just a random thought) No, the SR-25 is an updated/modernised sniper version of the AR-10 (the precursor to the AR-15, it was up against the M14 to be the US Armys post-WW2 rifle, it lost because it was seen to be too modern), its chambered in 7.62x51 not the 5.56x45 of the M16/M4, also the M4 SPR isnt exactly an M4, its based on an M16A1 lower receiver with an all new upper receiver, its as accurate as an M24 out to 800m, in regards to the bipods the SR-25 and M4 SPR are not average rifles, they are dedicated sniper rifles. Also the SR-15 is not a 5.56mm version of the SR-25, however there are versions of it that look very similar to the SR-25, the SR-15 is basically just an M4 (but obviously KAC's version, and i think semi auto only) but with RAS as standard, there is however also a 'Match' rifle, with a 20" FF RAS barrel, which is the version cheeky monkey showed which does look a lot like the SR-25, but is not just a '5.56 version of the SR-25', as the normal SR-15 looks just like the M4, even the match version has a lot of noticable differences as their receivers look totally different. Edit: Just read Cheeky Monkeys post, the SR-15 is not the sniper version of the M16, if anything is its the SPR, the SR-15 has a barrel length of 16 inches, only two more than the M4 and 4 less than the M16 (two less than the M4 SPR), its also a civilian weapon, so not a sniper weapon, as that would be illegal There is a match shooting variant as i mentioned above but it is not a basic SR-15, thats like saying the M4 is the M4/M16's sniper rifle just because it carries somewhere near the same name as the M4 SPR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9mm 0 Posted May 31, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Oh your not one of those anti airsoft errr....... people are you? For Christ's sake no, i'm not. Anyway, a SR-25 is a rapid fire marksman rifle, what about proper sniper weapon the SEAL snipers use? Is it a regular M40 or something else, and errr... would it be included in the pack? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJonth Cheeky Monkey 1 Posted May 31, 2003 McMillan M87? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_unknown_one 0 Posted May 31, 2003 I dont know if Seal team 6 might use sniper rifles (CT/SP, long riflemen etc.etc.) but surely Seal Team 8 wouldnt; they are trained in VBSS and CQB and stuff. Im not sure though, correct me if im wrong. the_unknown_one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eviscerator 0 Posted May 31, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Oh your not one of those anti airsoft errr....... people are you? For Christ's sake no, i'm not. Anyway, a  SR-25 is a rapid fire marksman rifle, what about proper sniper weapon the SEAL snipers use? Is it a regular M40 or something else, and errr... would it be included in the pack? Its an M91, a remington 700 based weapon. And yes, its already in there. Theres also the .300 WinMag, although thats not included. The M88 is an SASR not a sniper rifle, just like the Barret, they are used for Anti-Material and arent that accurate. (The best the M88 can do is 1.5 MOA while the Barret is probably a lot worse) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJonth Cheeky Monkey 1 Posted May 31, 2003 Quote[/b] ]I'm No Gun expert by any means but isn't the SR-25 kindof a Sniper version of the M16 and the M4 SPR the sniper rifle of the M4? (prolly not just a random thought) No, the SR-25 is an updated/modernised sniper version of the AR-10 (the precursor to the AR-15, it was up against the M14 to be the US Armys post-WW2 rifle, it lost because it was seen to be too modern), its chambered in 7.62x51 not the 5.56x45 of the M16/M4, also the M4 SPR isnt exactly an M4, its based on an M16A1 lower receiver with an all new upper receiver, its as accurate as an M24 out to 800m, in regards to the bipods the SR-25 and M4 SPR are not average rifles, they are dedicated sniper rifles. Also the SR-15 is not a 5.56mm version of the SR-25, however there are versions of it that look very similar to the SR-25, the SR-15 is basically just an M4 (but obviously KAC's version, and i think semi auto only) but with RAS as standard, there is however also a 'Match' rifle, with a 20" FF RAS barrel, which is the version cheeky monkey showed which does look a lot like the SR-25, but is not just a '5.56 version of the SR-25', as the normal SR-15 looks just like the M4, even the match version has a lot of noticable differences as their receivers look totally different. You gotta love the AR-10, its a shame it was a bit late in production because by the time it was ready all the other armies had ordered the G3 or the FAL. Shame . Sorry about saying it was a 7.62mmm version of the SR-15, I changed what I was going to say and didn't read it through again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJonth Cheeky Monkey 1 Posted May 31, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Oh your not one of those anti airsoft errr....... people are you? For Christ's sake no, i'm not. Anyway, a  SR-25 is a rapid fire marksman rifle, what about proper sniper weapon the SEAL snipers use? Is it a regular M40 or something else, and errr... would it be included in the pack? Its an M91, a remington 700 based weapon. And yes, its already in there. Theres also the .300 WinMag, although thats not included. The M88 is an SASR not a sniper rifle, just like the Barret, they are used for Anti-Material and arent that accurate. (The best the M88 can do is 1.5 MOA while the Barret is probably a lot worse) So what would you use at 1600m? M24? no you wouldn't. The only reason they aren't too accurate is because of the lack of match grade 12.7mm ammo. Anyway what about that Canadian dude that hit that guy from was it 2000m away prolly more, I can't remember. I doubt you'd be able to do that with your M91 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eviscerator 0 Posted May 31, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Oh your not one of those anti airsoft errr....... people are you? For Christ's sake no, i'm not. Anyway, a  SR-25 is a rapid fire marksman rifle, what about proper sniper weapon the SEAL snipers use? Is it a regular M40 or something else, and errr... would it be included in the pack? Its an M91, a remington 700 based weapon. And yes, its already in there. Theres also the .300 WinMag, although thats not included. The M88 is an SASR not a sniper rifle, just like the Barret, they are used for Anti-Material and arent that accurate. (The best the M88 can do is 1.5 MOA while the Barret is probably a lot worse) So what would you use at 1600m? M24? no you wouldn't. The only reason they aren't too accurate is because of the lack of match grade 12.7mm ammo. Anyway what about that Canadian dude that hit that guy from was it 2000m away prolly more, I can't remember. I doubt you'd be able to do that with your M91 1.5 MOA is with match grade .50 ammo(edit, just checked again, wasnt match grade ammo), also apparently the canadian guy needed 5-10 shots to get the guy, which, with a sniper rifle is attrocious, sniper rifles are meant to hit on the first round, so the sniper can get away quickly, which is why bolt action sniper rifles are more popular (not talking about the M88 anymore), as they are more predictable, their loading process is less complicated so less things can go wrong, making it more likely the rifle will shoot in roughly the same place each time making it more likely for a first shot hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJonth Cheeky Monkey 1 Posted May 31, 2003 I suppose, but its still better than most other things at that range . Now I said that people will be posting links to 14-20mm AMRs, well dont as I know a load of them. I like that Steyr 14.5mm? might be 15.4mm, there were two models, one was a 13.7mm or somet, well thats the one I liked. cant remember, but they fire Mini Fin Stabilized Discharging Sabot rounds from a smoothbore barrel, don't know how accurate it is, but Its still cool  . Total overkill against infantry targets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eviscerator 0 Posted May 31, 2003 Total overkill against infantry targets. Indeed, like dropping Mk 82's on the annoying ants in your garden... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DKM-jaguar Posted May 31, 2003 so is a 50cal an over kill then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites