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[Sigma-6 29]

Quote[/b] ]Lead in bullets is poisonous as well...but war is more harmful...

"Paul Kitagaki Jr. / P-I Dr. Khajak Vartaanian, a radiation expert,

holds a Geiger counter next to a hole in an Iraqi tank destroyed by

depleted uranium weapons in the Persian Gulf War in 1991. The shell

holes show 1,000 times the normal background radiation level.

DU shell holes in the vehicles along the Highway of Death are 1,000

times more radioactive than background radiation, according to Geiger

counter readings done for the Seattle Post-Intelligencer by Dr. Khajak

Vartaanian, a nuclear medicine expert from the Iraq Department of

Radiation Protection in Basra, and Col. Amal Kassim of the Iraqi navy.

"The desert around the vehicles was 100 times more radioactive than

background radiation; Basra, a city of 1 million people, some 125 miles

away, registered only slightly above background radiation level."

Lead in bullets doesn't violate the Geneva conventions on several counts:

•Weapons may only be used in the legal field of battle, defined as legal

military targets of the enemy in war. Weapons may not have an adverse

effect off the legal field of battle.

•Weapons can only be used for the duration of an armed conflict. A

weapon that is used or continues to act after the war is over violates

this criterion.

•Weapons may not be unduly inhumane.

•Weapons may not have an unduly negative effect on the natural

environment.

I'm aware of the fact that DU is only weakly radioactive (alpha, beta, and gamma emitter), and that it is, in fact, less so than natural Uranium, which occurs in all our soil, and which we drink in our water. . . However, the introduction of tons of it in pyrophoric fashion is quite apparently having a dramatic effect in Basra despite the impossibility of this since 1991. There is nothing else which coincides with a 48% cancer/leukemia risk rate, and the dramatic (to say the least) rise in terrible birth defects and childhood leukemia (at least 600,000 deaths to date). . .

Despite what I know about Uranium (and what I understand about NATO's arguments), I'm inclined to think there should be a ban.

[Shadow NX 1]

One question, how ~big(size in megabyte, unpacked) will the T55-Pack be, when it´s finished?

Thx.

MfG Lee

Can only be answered after it is fully done, the missions and the "lil" bonus will also make it bigger, but the binarizing should help make the files smaller.

[raedor 8]

the pack (only tanks; w/o weapon and crew) is 50 to 60 mb.

[Shadow NX 1]

Dunno where you got that numbers from, so far i cant agree.

Check the FTP and even that versions might be bigger later cause we add stuff or get smaller due to binarizing.

We see when it is released.

[raedor 8]

yes, right. the size i mentioned is the unpacked size.

[Sigma-6 29]

yup. . . once it's binned, it'll probably be about nearly a third of that. . . I expect.

[Acecombat 0]

Quote[/b] ]I'm aware of the fact that DU is only weakly radioactive (alpha, beta, and gamma emitter), and that it is, in fact, less so than natural Uranium, which occurs in all our soil, and which we drink in our water. . . However, the introduction of tons of it in pyrophoric fashion is quite apparently having a dramatic effect in Basra despite the impossibility of this since 1991. There is nothing else which coincides with a 48% cancer/leukemia risk rate, and the dramatic (to say the least) rise in terrible birth defects and childhood leukemia (at least 600,000 deaths to date). . .

Despite what I know about Uranium (and what I understand about NATO's arguments), I'm inclined to think there should be a ban.

Wow first guy i hear talking against this stuff , Cheers mate i hope you fill some sense in others about it.

Everyone keeps sayings its unharmful and that its UN approved blah blah...

But as you said cancer rates are definitely high in Iraq and even SA too but i guess thats due to aair pollution and water too due to the OIl burn and leaks in water cancer threat in the eastern province is 40% high.

[Sigma-6 29]

It's not. It's due to Uranium contamination in the water table, hand-to mouth action of settled particles in children, inhaled particles and myriad other factors. Radiological toxicity causes those symptoms, not burning oil, or chemical toxicity in a heavy metal. There hasn't been enough of anything else going on, and in any case, the main issue is Leukemia, which doesn't correlate with the other risk factors. DU is most certainly *not* UN approved. The last major UN report that got past the major players concluded that while the current (NATO) studies tend to indicate the risk is slim to none, the evidence suggests more detailed study is required. That's a lot coming from the UN, and the undercurrent there is that there should be an outright ban.

I have a hard time believing that burning oil is increasing background radiation and causing leukemia at that level when tons of Uranium have been introduced (320 tons in southern Iraq in 1991, and more in 2003 further across the country).

[Acecombat 0]

Sigma i dont know how you have a hard time believing that oil isnt doing anything here but during Gulf War the rain dropped black oil on us here even the mositure at night turned the cars black over night , and IT IS harmful i had infact contracted a disease back then from eating contaminated fish but thankfully it wasnt something chronic but doctors have warned against eating sea food from here due to oil spillspolluting water life.

My mother had Leukameia so i know what sort of a disease it is and she had contracted it way back in 93-94 excatly after the Gulf War so i can safely assume that that shit isnt HEALTHY for us.

[Sigma-6 29]

Certainly it isn't healthy for you, no question. I just doubt that it has killed 600,000 iraqis.

[Acecombat 0]

Certainly it isn't healthy for you, no question. I just doubt that it has killed 600,000 iraqis.

Yes but given a period of a decade dont you think so its possible? The figure might have been exaggerated but once such desease spread they are transferred from mother to child incase of birth so the ratio of the disease might have become high. Plus poor hospitals with no proper hygenic standards set think of the usage/handling of blood number 1 cause of transfer of Leukaemia it can spread through numerous ways.

I have even heard of such stories from Bosnia and the Balkans where soldiers have extracted cancer by going near and staying beside wrecks which wer destroyed by DU rounds.

[Sigma-6 29]

Let me establish again that *I* think that the DU is responsible for the Cancer rates, and not the oil or other contaminants (IE, spot-destroyed chemical stocks). I don't believe the number has been eggagerated, I believe it's a low figure. I'm using a conservative estimate. Some people believe it's as high as 1.2 million. That's certainly not 'normal' in either case, and it's certainly not due (exclusively) to pollution as a result of burning oil wells, or other forms of battlefield pollution. Were that the case, we'd have seen this type of thing before with relative frequency. As it is, those involved can only compare the birth defects and massive increases in cancer (and risk of it) to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. . . they are the only comparable references in recent memory.

Incidentally, it's likely to get a lot worse.

[raedor 8]

chernobyl...

[Sigma-6 29]

chernobyl...

oh yeah. . . Chernobyl. . .

But that was an accident. . .

[raedor 8]

yes, but it had very bad results and shows that uranium really CAUSES cancer, leukemia, birth defects, and so on...

and burning oil does not, cause i live in a city where hundreds (thousands) cars drive, and most of these cars have gasoline/diesel motors, and that's nothing else then burning oil.

[Acecombat 0]

Dude you see normal day cars burn fuel , not direct Oil well burns they are dangerous IMO , you should come over here and how things are developing. Cancer rates are reaching their peaks here especially lymphomatic. Children are being born with deficient Bone marrows unable to produce proper blood cells i have a friend who has that problem even though hes my age but hes still hardly 4 ft tall , his growths been stunted due to it.

Now unless that Uranuim is flying from iraq in to my city i'd blame it on the Oil pollution , this thing wasnt happening in the late 80's it only began in the early 90's and the only thing significant enough to have an impact such as this is burning OIL WELLS.

[waffendennis 0]

What one word can do....

[Shadow NX 1]

http://aj.zerodistance.org/believe.jpg

Seems waiting makes people creative  

If this is the outcome we better stick to the rule and dont show stuff before its fully done.

But how do we keep the masses intrested without pics...stupid situation though

If we show pics were teasers, if we dont people lost intrest and our reputation stays low ( reputation in my eyes is important to recruit good new memebers ) so what?

I just can say its woth the wait and you will be amazed of what you get.

Even the surprise comming with it is as almost as big as the T55 pack...for me it is even cooler than it  

[Acecombat 0]

F@ck wheres the Url giveme.........  

EDIT:

Where is IT i cant see it at your site maybe i am blind ... dont torture us damnit

[EiZei 0]

In case someone did not get that one I suggest you look at this pic:

[Acecombat 0]

Damn you Shadow NX i nearly fell for it

[raedor 8]

If this is the outcome we better stick to the rule and dont show stuff before its fully done.

But how do we keep the masses intrested without pics...stupid situation though

If we show pics were teasers, if we dont people lost intrest and our reputation stays low ( reputation in my eyes is important to recruit good new memebers ) so what?

I just can say its woth the wait and you will be amazed of what you get.

Even the surprise comming with it is as almost as big as the T55 pack...for me it is even cooler than it

hehe, look on the dates:

one newspost is from 09.14.03 (MM.DD.YY), the other one from 15.08.03 (DD.MM.YY).

[EiZei 0]

If this is the outcome we better stick to the rule and dont show stuff before its fully done.

But how do we keep the masses intrested without pics...stupid situation though

If we show pics were teasers, if we dont people lost intrest and our reputation stays low ( reputation in my eyes is important to recruit good new memebers ) so what?

I just can say its woth the wait and you will be amazed of what you get.

Even the surprise comming with it is as almost as big as the T55 pack...for me it is even cooler than it

hehe, look on the dates:

one newspost is from 09.14.03 (MM.DD.YY), the other one from 15.08.03 (DD.MM.YY).

I blame my european habits.

[Shadow NX 1]

Damn you Shadow NX i nearly fell for it  

Do i have to get that?

Im just posting a pic someone showed on our IRC chat today  

Guess why the "i want to believe" is added and the date is from long ago...cause he joked

[Donnervogel 0]

bah now I almost got a heart attack! Damn the maker of that pic. I don't wanna die. Not yet at least!