chaztheducky 0 Posted February 15, 2003 whats relly weird is that the only aircraft shotdown in the past 10 years are the stealth/i move to fast for stealth technology to get on my plane, type planes. so would that make it better to be in a non stealth aircraft? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spitfire 0 Posted February 15, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RaptorAce @ Feb. 15 2003,04:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">nope, the F-15 has a 100+ kill record and no combat losses EVER... Many an F-16 has been shot down, probably all by SAMs... Â adversary aircraft have been sucking ever since vietnam<span id='postcolor'> I definitely remember at least one F-15E shot down during the Gulf. Another F-15 fighter variant was shot down in Yugoslavia. Syrian MiG-23s have scored at least three confirmed kills agains Israeli F-15s. And to think that IAF pilots are one of the best trained pilots in the world, some would say that even better than American. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLOY 0 Posted February 15, 2003 new screenies http://www.flashpoint.ru/news/images/s37-01.jpg http://www.flashpoint.ru/news/images/s37-02.jpg http://www.flashpoint.ru/news/images/s37-03.jpg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaptorAce 0 Posted February 15, 2003 bird looks great what's the release date for it </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I definitely remember at least one F-15E shot down during the Gulf. Another F-15 fighter variant was shot down in Yugoslavia. Syrian MiG-23s have scored at least three confirmed kills agains Israeli F-15s. And to think that IAF pilots are one of the best trained pilots in the world, some would say that even better than American. <span id='postcolor'> show some proof... i've never heard anything like that /edit </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The F-15 Eagle has a perfect combat record of 101 victories and zero defeats. F-15s downed four Mig-29 fighters during the recent Balkan conflict and 33 of the 35 fixed-wing aircraft Iraq lost in air combat during Operation Desert Storm. During the Balkan conflict, the F-15E was the only fighter able to attack ground targets around the clock, in all weather conditions. <span id='postcolor'> http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/f15/f15_back.htm that's the source... now im done, keep talking about the Su-47 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted February 15, 2003 Since where talking about the F-15 Check here: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Their primary targets were SCUDs, command and control links, armor, airfields and road interdiction. While flying over 2,200 sorties, only two were lost in combat.<span id='postcolor'>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/appendix/whitepaper.html </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">20 At least one USAF F-15 Eagle fighter has been lost, with the pilot, reportedly an African-American major, alive and in custody as a POW. At least one German pilot (some sources say two men, implying perhaps a Luftwaffe crew from a Tornado) has been captured. There is also a report that at least one US female pilot has been killed<span id='postcolor'>http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/docs99/990506-11614.htm I'll get more soon when I find some more, don't have the time now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spitfire 0 Posted February 15, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RaptorAce @ Feb. 15 2003,16:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">show some proof... i've never heard anything like that<span id='postcolor'> A book called "Russia's Top Gun" claims that Syrians reported shooting down 3 Israeli F-15's. However, it's only a claim. The one in Yugoslavia is contradictory. There was an aircraft shot down, which was captured on this quite blurry video. It was aired by BBC and Yugoslavian television and it was positively ID'd as F-15E by several specialists. However, at the same time a F-117 was shot down too and it was captured on tape too. Pentagon seemed to do the wise thing to protect the Eagle's reputation passing two different videos for one and admitted losing only the F-117. I have seen the first footage (not the F-117 one) and I'm positive that it was indeed an Eagle. The video was clear enough not to be mistaken as a completely different looking F-117 and also it couldn't be a MiG-29 since no 29's were operating in the area at that time. I've heard loss figures ranging from 0 to 4 and I'm pretty sure that some of those claims are true. They have just been swept under the carpet to keep the Eagle record clean and tidy as long as possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaptorAce 0 Posted February 15, 2003 even if it did have 1-4 combat losses, which i dont believe, the eagle is still the best... i mean its still got 100 kills to a (possibly) minimal loss record Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted February 15, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RaptorAce @ Feb. 15 2003,18:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">even if it did have 1-4 combat losses, which i dont believe, the eagle is still the best... i mean its still got 100 kills to a (possibly) minimal loss record<span id='postcolor'> You sound like a F-15 pilot. Most pilot's claim that the fighter they fly IS the best. But looking at you're birth date, I think you're not. (neither am I) The record of 100 kills vs. possible one loss is because of the pilots that are in it. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The US Air Force claims the F-15C is in several respects inferior to, or at best equal to, the MiG-29, Su-27, Su-35/37, Rafale, and EF-2000, which are variously superior in acceleration, maneuverability, engine thrust, rate of climb, avionics, firepower, radar signature, or range. Although the F-15C and Su-27P series are similar in many categories, the Su-27 can outperform the F-15C at both long and short ranges. In long-range encounters, with its superiorr radar the Su-27 can launch a missile before the F-15C does, so from a purely kinematic standpoint, the Russian fighters outperform the F-15C in the beyond-visual-range fight. <span id='postcolor'>http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-15.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rattler 0 Posted February 15, 2003 I'll still take an F-16 over anything else American Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaptorAce 0 Posted February 15, 2003 F-16s arent as good as the F-15... the records prove it... but lets keep this on topic now, this bird looks good... though the pilot looks kind of big in that cockpit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted February 15, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RaptorAce @ Feb. 15 2003,20:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">F-16s arent as good as the F-15... the records prove it... but lets keep this on topic now, this bird looks good... though the pilot looks kind of big in that cockpit<span id='postcolor'> Ya, you're right, let's stay on topic. Pilot's too big? I dunno, let's see... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaptorAce 0 Posted February 15, 2003 look at the 3rd pic. it looks like the pilots head is popping out of the canopy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rattler 0 Posted February 15, 2003 So? I would still take an F-16. What sorta weapons is this gonna carry? And what type of gun? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted February 15, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So? I would still take an F-16. <span id='postcolor'> Yes, good (me too), now let's cease this "which plane got the biggest dick" stuff yes? Before it turns out into a flame war and trigger happy mod comes in to lock it. Back to topic: Naah that ain't so bad, I don't see any big differences Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaptorAce 0 Posted February 16, 2003 the F-15 has the biggest dick but seriously if u look closely, the guy looks bigger than the canopy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spitfire 0 Posted February 16, 2003 But the F-16 has a bubble canopy with an excellent visibility and a pressure sensitive stick! I'd choose the Viper over any other American fighter. Back to topic. That Su-47 sure looks nice but there are something wrong with the proportions, for sure. And ZLOY, the size of the first image exceeds 100k, compress it or put it behind a link before a mod does it for you (for how long can we hide our off-topic conversation in these seemingly on-topic posts? ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antichrist 0 Posted February 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (2stoned2kil| @ Feb. 10 2003,22:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">shit thats fucked , now i cant trust those good old illegal russian sites anymore : but this was posted at Flashpoint.ru </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">SU-37 Â cyxob187 is working on SU-37 addon. Â Â Â 02/10/03 / 07:23:35 by psyKKe [+/- 0 ] Â No comments<span id='postcolor'><span id='postcolor'> Sorry for that! I was misinformed and since nobody knows what kinda plane that is I don't think it was my fault Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaptorAce 0 Posted February 16, 2003 it's a Su-47 a Su-37 is like a Su-27 with canards and thrust vectoring Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ludovico Technique 0 Posted February 17, 2003 I think (I could be wrong) but I think the SU-37 should have thrust vectoring, canards and also a rear facing radar system, as well as short range rear aspect missiles. Aside from that though, to go back to the whole Cobra maneuvre thingy, I thought the obvious point was you get the plane to somersault, halfway through the move you unload your long range missiles at the guy behind you who is nicely lit up by the plane's all-aspect radar system, and then you scoot off again. For an ordinary plane turning to engage a nippy pursuit fighter would be a lot of effort, the SU-37 can cover its arse while remaining pretty much on course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ardvarkdb 104 Posted October 10, 2003 *Bump* Any News on this plane? It's become one of my favorite aircraft and I'd love to have it in opflash...I've seen two different people working on this plane but no one seems to have released one yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellfish6 7 Posted October 10, 2003 Over 4 months old. Closing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
