Banned by Game Developer

[ZaPHoN 3]

BattlEye et al "Develper Ban" class action

These global bans by developer are never reversed and designed to force customers to have to shell out more money for what they've already paid for.
 

If anyone has purchased any game that uses BattlEye and lost multiplayer functionality because of a global ban that has done nothing wrong, send an email here but do not send any personal information for the time being because right now we are building a list of victims of this abuse to evaluate justification of a class action claim.
 

battleyecase (at) veritasmedia (dot)org
 

What's needed is:
 

Country of origin
The games in question and date of purchase
Date and type of ban and amount lost.
Any other details about the ban.
 

In time when lawyers are in place if this should get to that point, they will then and only then need your personal info then and proof of purchase.
 

Yes there are legitimate "Global Bans" however, since 2018 the list of unjustified "Global Bans" has continued to increase and the growing consensus is that this is a deliberately ignored problem or designed to force paying customers to have to repay for what they've already bought.
 

The cheaters are never punished because they find ways to get back on without cost to them. It's the customers who've done nothing wrong that continue to be extorted for more money while the cheaters continue to ruin online gaming according toan insider within the industry that will be coming forward in the future.
 

It's an age old story. Let a percentage of criminals to continue while the honest people are fleeced in a justification for their security.
 

The intent is to force BattlEye et al to provide tangible recourse for customers who've already paid for games that use BattlEye for anti-cheat measures.
 

On BattlEye's website they claim over 150,000 bans in 15 months. Even if a conservative number of 10% is claimed to be unjustified bans and the average customer has had to repurchase a game of $40 BattlEye's cohorts have received $600,000 extra by fleecing 15,000 customers in 15 months. Scraping numerous web forums would suggest since 2018 there are thousands of unjustified bans every. It's clear that this 10% is considerably higher than BattlEye and their cohorts are willing to release? I'm not even factoring in the bans caused by glitches.
 

Shortly, there will be a dedicated website and forum on a decentralized platform not subject to censorship for victims of this scam to gather necessary evidence to seek class action.
 

Until this forum thread is banned at Bohemia you can enter the discussion here.
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/forum/153-arma-3-troubleshooting/
 

A temporary Reddit can be found here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlEye_bans/comments/on86s0/unjust_battleye_global_bans/
 

File a Ripoff Report here
https://www.ripoffreport.com/report/battleeye-et-al/bellevue-wa-bohemia-steam-1510123

 

Those who would dissuade anyone from perusing this effort should have their motives questioned because often their interests lie with the corporations who pay them. Not you.

 

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."

Thomas Jefferson

"After months of not playing anything on Steam because of family and work I thought I'd take some me time and try playing Arma 3 again because a year ago I bought the ultimate edition only to find out some jerk had hijacked my steam account somehow. I was able to use my credit card to recover my account and changed every password for every account I have. Once back in I see that my profile had been changed to the name Zendox and my location was changed from Canada to Germany.

After changing everything back I bought S.O.G. Prairie Fire and tried to play to find out I've been permanently banned.

It says:

You've been permanently banned in Arma 3 by BattlEye on behalf of the game developer.

You can view your Steam account's In-Game Ban status and see a list of games affected by a specific ban by visiting your ban history.

 

Please see our In-Game Ban Article for more information about how In-Game Bans are applied."
 

[sarogahtyp 1108]

https://support.bohemia.net/arma-3/ban/17

 

Edit:

 

Seems to be chanceless.

From Battleeyes page:

 

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Please also note the following before sending in your appeal:

No one is banned for using non-hack programs (like Fraps, overlays, etc.), picking up or using hacked in-game items, weapons or vehicles, being on a server at the same time as a cheater, or other passive non-cheating activity.

It doesn’t matter if you only cheated on your own private server. Cheating on all BE-enabled servers is strictly forbidden.

It’s your own responsibility to ensure that no one else has access to your cd-key or account. We cannot lift your ban if you were banned as a result of cd-key/account theft.

No details about your ban (including evidence) will be revealed. Hackers would love to have access to this information and therefore we cannot disclose that.

If you cheated you will have to live with the consequences. Global bans are permanent and no exceptions will be made.

No support can be given on how to buy a new game or change your cd-key.

 

[beno_83au 1369]

If it's account theft then wouldn't it affect your entire catalogue of games? 

[ZaPHoN 3]

11 hours ago, beno_83au said:

If it's account theft then wouldn't it affect your entire catalogue of games? 

I don't know why only Arma 3 is listed in the ban. It's all frustrating and honestly becoming pointless pursuing this especially after spending nearly $3000 on Virpil Equipment in 2019.

This was the one and only thing I could do for down time just for me because my wife and daughter are a higher priority.

I only have three games that I've purchased but it seems only Arma 3 is affected.

Arma 3 Ultimate Edition
DCS and  finally Blackwake I bought to support what I thought was a decent indy project so my daughter and I to play together but she hasn't played for months. I still haven't even installed it on my computers because of distractions of life.

After recovering my account with my credit card and changing passwords,  I bought Prairie Fire and tried playing Arma and that's when I noticed the ban. All I do is fly chopper which is the closest I can come to flying real aircraft anymore since losing my pilots license due to medical.

Shuttling players to and from destinations allows for a sense of purpose and responsibility for their safety which is why I don't really like DCS except flying the Bell UH-1 because of the realism which did purchase.

The only other games I have in my steam account are Argo which lead me to buying Arma 3 and America's Army which I stopped playing years ago because it's just not the same anymore. I've had this steam account for nine years which is a replacement from another steam account that was lost ten years ago when an email host shut down on me.

If this idiocy in the gaming industry is the norm and the ban isn't reversed I'm throwing all this Virpil Gear in the garbage and walking away from it all.


 

[Jackal326 1181]

20 hours ago, ZaPHoN said:

[...]

If this idiocy in the gaming industry is the norm and the ban isn't reversed I'm throwing all this Virpil Gear in the garbage and walking away from it all.

I don't think you can really lay the blame at the feet of the entire gaming industry. I'd lay the blame with your email provider/ISP security for allowing the email to be compromised (and/or your own personal password strength) that allowed the account to be compromised. I've been in a similar situation in the past where my XBOX Live account was stolen with my name and location changed as you described. I had similar hoops to jump through to get it back but once I did it damn well taught me a lesson about security and password strength.

I'm not saying you're to blame, but the ban your account has suffered is one you now have to live with unfortunately. In a way you're quite fortunate as you only had a few games on Steam and although its a pain in the arse to have to do so, its only a matter of creating a new email (with a strong password) and a new Steam account (with a $tr0ng_p@ssw0rd) and re-purchasing the game(s).

[ZaPHoN 3]

9 hours ago, Jackal326 said:

I don't think you can really lay the blame at the feet of the entire gaming industry. I'd lay the blame with your email provider/ISP security for allowing the email to be compromised (and/or your own personal password strength) that allowed the account to be compromised. I've been in a similar situation in the past where my XBOX Live account was stolen with my name and location changed as you described. I had similar hoops to jump through to get it back but once I did it damn well taught me a lesson about security and password strength.

I'm not saying you're to blame, but the ban your account has suffered is one you now have to live with unfortunately. In a way you're quite fortunate as you only had a few games on Steam and although its a pain in the arse to have to do so, its only a matter of creating a new email (with a strong password) and a new Steam account (with a $tr0ng_p@ssw0rd) and re-purchasing the game(s).

I have a feeling it was the email provider or Steam itself because as far as passwords are concerned I use 12 characters consisting of numbers letters capitals and special characters. The formula I use is changed every six months for passwords. One thing I will not do is allow the steam app to run on my phone so it can harvest lots of irrelevant information. It's ridiculous that Steam requires an app to run on one's phone for TPV while banks, exchanges and so many others don't.

I also have two firewalls. One hardware firewall for the entire network and Comodo on every computer. I'm anal about security because of what I saw during my engineering days. My network hasn't been never seen a virus and the one and only hack attempt was way back in 1998 which was unsuccessful.

Whoever took over the steam account changed my profile location to Germany so I suspect it was the gmx.com email host I was using that was compromised because they are in Germany which is why I run my own email server with my own domains for high priority emails. I've said it for fifteen years that the entire concept of emails and the protocol itself should be banned for better safer forms of communication.

I'm in the process of moving any subscriptions and accounts through that gmx email to a new email just in case.

Looking at BattlEye's twitter feed I see a ridiculously high number of complaints about false bans.

I don't think it's no coincidence that one who's legitimately bought a game cannot get a new ID for the game through verification of their credit card. Once upon a time this was common practice. It's beginning to look more likely that BattlEye is issuing far to many global bans that are capturing many innocent people who've spent good money for products from BattlEye's clients that force them to have to go buy the game again. For all we know Bohemia is fully aware of what BattlEye is doing.

Given the dirty tricks going on in the industry to try and create captured markets and force new sales, has it occurred to anyone that these bans with no ability to appeal could be a way to push more sales. I've seen far worse crap pulled by other software companies and realistically unless there's real push back those who have done nothing wrong will be an increasing list of victims.

I spoke to a lawyer about this who expressed exactly what I'm suggesting and is in fact in the process of certifying a class action against another company for similar shenanigans.

[Jackal326 1181]

7 hours ago, ZaPHoN said:

[...]

I don't think it's no coincidence that one who's legitimately bought a game cannot get a new ID for the game through verification of their credit card. Once upon a time this was common practice. It's beginning to look more likely that BattlEye is issuing far to many global bans that are capturing many innocent people who've spent good money for products from BattlEye's clients that force them to have to go buy the game again.

[...]

I understand where you're coming from, but whilst you are a victim of ban and you yourself are innocent, your account is (possibly) not.

You have no idea what your account was up to in the time it was in the hands of the (possibly) German hacker.

So whilst you are innocent, your account potentially isn't and in BattlEye's eyes (pardon the pun), the ban (may be) justified.

[ZaPHoN 3]

Is it justified to deliberately not have a mechanism to resolve the situation or provide a new ownership key based on verifiable purchase history?

This is smelling more like a scam because when looking at the play history in steam, although the account was hijacked I don't see any play history and it was only taken over less than a couple days based on email history stopping when the jerk changed the email.

I'm seeing many people complaining of unjustified bans after not being on their accounts for a long time.

Their ban procedure is looking more and more like similar tactics that twitter has been playing if one doesn't go along certain bias. In this case of BattlEye and Bohemia et, it's all designed to punish those capable of shelling out money to have to repurchase the products under the disguise of combating cheating because those who cheat don't care. I'm betting discovery would reveal a disproportionate ratio of victims who've had to repurchase games to cheaters.

I'm thinking it's time to dust off my activism boots from 20 years ago and start rallying the troops to test a class action.

Maybe reaching out to journalists like Gamer's Nexus and Linus Tech Tips would get the ball rolling for publicity as well as sniffing out some lawyers to pursue this.

[Tankbuster 1746]

I admire your tenacity, if not your grip on reality.

[ZaPHoN 3]

1 hour ago, Tankbuster said:

I admire your tenacity, if not your grip on reality.

"grip on reality"

This isn't reality?

How about this?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1289027672186720263
 

How about when Nvidia tried manipulating Steven Walton but walked it back because of the bad press they received. https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/12/13/059223/nvidia-apologizes-walks-back-threat-to-withhold-gpus-from-reviewer

If you don't think these tactics can be reality then you need to check your own grip on reality. Your comment reveals that your personality is to let others do the fighting for you because there's no fight in you to right a wrong for a clearly large amount of people so if it's a fight I must lead then so be it. It wouldn't be the first time I've damaged a company to the point of bankruptcy. Lets see where this dance leads.

It's a simple solution. Either Bohemia et al and/or BattleEye provide real tangible recourse for people who can verify their purchase to recover what they paid for or I start gathering the masses.

This isn't about a game. This is about principals. If I'm willing to throw $3000 worth of controllers from Virpil in the garbage do you think I care about a game. Halve my life was spent taking on injustice and I along with others did some real damage to the criminals dressed in benevolence. If anything this will become a way to teach our daughter how to fight back. Something more people should learn how to do instead of sitting on the side lines criticizing others because they lack the courage to ever fight for anything in their lives.

[Tankbuster 1746]

Oh, I see now, yes you're absolutely right.

I thought this was simply about you allowing your account to be compromised, when all along, it's someone else's fault.

[ZaPHoN 3]

37 minutes ago, Tankbuster said:

Oh, I see now, yes you're absolutely right.

I thought this was simply about you allowing your account to be compromised, when all along, it's someone else's fault.

So I'm responsible for the lax security of Steam?

Try this on for size
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3119273879021354341/

Or this

https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/pc/steam-hacked-valve-customer-data-compromised/

 

How about from official source?
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/3d-vision/41/130653/steam-has-been-hacked-accounts-compromised/

 

Boy, you assume a lot without taking the time to know the facts and like a typical troll you avoid addressing the facts that I previously addressed for our network and security. It's skills I learned years ago when I was as certified CATIA administrator and still stay current on 0day threats. I can't control what's outside my control but they can be held accountable.

Stick with your virtual battles and let the adults fight for you son.

P.S.

Looking at your casino page that's poorly built http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=16345 you better deal with that web based virus before Godady shuts you down. You likely don't have any exploit scanning because that would cost money and it's clear from the quality of the website, barely a shoestring is budgeted to host it on a virtual hosting account and designed to do nothing but try and lure in fools with a hope of separating them from their money.

I took the liberty of reporting it to Godaddy but knowing Godaddy the way I do they'll do nothing.

https://www.whois.com/whois/armaholic.com

[Jackal326 1181]

4 hours ago, ZaPHoN said:

Is it justified to deliberately not have a mechanism to resolve the situation or provide a new ownership key based on verifiable purchase history?

Its not a matter of determining ownership like owning a CD key from the 90's (the hoops I had to jump through when my legitimately purchased disc copy of 'Aliens VS Predator 2' had "already been used" when trying to play MP would make your head spin). Proving whether you purchased the game or not isn't a factor as you presumably can't 100% prove without a shadow of a doubt that it wasn't YOU using it at the time the ban was made. The fact of the matter is your account got banned - whether it was you, your mother or Gerhard von Strucker (random German name, sue me!) who was using it at the time is irrelevant. How the account was compromised is also irrelevant. Its a brown and sticky end of the stick that you've been left with and that brown stuff isn't chocolate, but I don't think a class action lawsuit will get you anywhere. If you want to go that route I very much doubt my words (or anyone else's here) will stop you, I just don't feel standing on a pedestal and shouting about it is the way to go. 

Also, from one of the links you posted re: Steam Guard

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Steam Guard works perfectly as intended. It is an extra security layer and doesn't prevent you from being compromised if you are negligent with your sensitive information. If you don't know the functionality and purpose of 2FA then there isn't much confidence in you being able to secure your account.

I could have state of the art locks for my front door but if I give away my house keys to the local burglar, I can't then blame the security...

 

[beno_83au 1369]

3 hours ago, ZaPHoN said:

 http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=16345 

 

Uhhh, Armaholic was an OFP/Arma site hosting mods/missions/scripts/forums/etc that got dropped by it's owner very recently. Not sure who you think here actually owns that address anymore..... But if another shady gambling site gets shut down then I doubt anyone here will complain. So that'd be helpful if you got that to happen.

 

[ZaPHoN 3]

2 hours ago, Jackal326 said:

Its not a matter of determining ownership like owning a CD key from the 90's (the hoops I had to jump through when my legitimately purchased disc copy of 'Aliens VS Predator 2' had "already been used" when trying to play MP would make your head spin). Proving whether you purchased the game or not isn't a factor as you presumably can't 100% prove without a shadow of a doubt that it wasn't YOU using it at the time the ban was made. The fact of the matter is your account got banned - whether it was you, your mother or Gerhard von Strucker (random German name, sue me!) who was using it at the time is irrelevant. How the account was compromised is also irrelevant. Its a brown and sticky end of the stick that you've been left with and that brown stuff isn't chocolate, but I don't think a class action lawsuit will get you anywhere. If you want to go that route I very much doubt my words (or anyone else's here) will stop you, I just don't feel standing on a pedestal and shouting about it is the way to go. 

Also, from one of the links you posted re: Steam Guard

 

Do you think it's acceptable to just capitulate and accept your description of the "brown and sticky end of the stick". Should everyone capitulate and prostrate themselves who've been wronged? Maybe we should all just accept our fate and let any corporation or government run rough-shot over. Would that be your ideal definition of how the world should be? How about Bohemia decides to ban me from this forum for standing up for not only myself but others as well then one days goes after you one day?

 

Let me ask you this about your contradictory position. In your post you point out you had to jump through hoops with Aliens VS Predator 2. If your advice not "standing on a pedestal and shouting about it is the way to go" then why did you jump those hoops. Maybe you're special and anyone else should be criticized for doing the same?

Please enlighten me some more contradictory advice.

[ZaPHoN 3]

1 hour ago, beno_83au said:

 

Uhhh, Armaholic was an OFP/Arma site hosting mods/missions/scripts/forums/etc that got dropped by it's owner very recently. Not sure who you think here actually owns that address anymore..... But if another shady gambling site gets shut down then I doubt anyone here will complain. So that'd be helpful if you got that to happen.

 

I'm not the one with this signature

"Making working streetside IEDs since 2011". linked to http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=16345

 

It's Tankbuster's signature who also offered constructive advice that leads to an ideology of capitulation and servitude.

It appears you once had fight in you but your advice clearly shows that fight is now relegated to a virtual world.

[sarogahtyp 1108]

I read enough of that nonsense. Blocked now.

[Jackal326 1181]

7 hours ago, ZaPHoN said:

Let me ask you this about your contradictory position. In your post you point out you had to jump through hoops with Aliens VS Predator 2. If your advice not "standing on a pedestal and shouting about it is the way to go" then why did you jump those hoops. Maybe you're special and anyone else should be criticized for doing the same?

My hoops were a long list of exchanged emails with proof of purchase and the affected CD Key spanning almost 2 months being bounced around from one department to another, not a class action lawsuit and complaining on forums. I was merely trying to show understanding and empathy of your position, but if you want to throw a thesaurus at me then go right ahead. I'm not special, neither are you so get down off of your moral high-horse. You're still preaching the "false ban", because you did nothing wrong. The ban isn't on you, it is on your account that you weren't in control of at the time - that is not BattlEye's fault, its either yours or Steams. I'm leaning towards the former for allowing the breach in the first place...

When I saw @Tankbuster and @sarogahtyp had put you on their ignore lists I thought that it was perhaps an overreaction on their parts, however I now see that was my second mistake - the first mistake was replying to this thread in the first place, which by the way, is erroneously titled as you (sorry, your account) weren't banned by the game developer (Bohemia Interactive), your account was banned by an anti-cheat software...

[ZaPHoN 3]

On 7/16/2021 at 5:24 AM, Jackal326 said:

My hoops were a long list of exchanged emails with proof of purchase and the affected CD Key spanning almost 2 months being bounced around from one department to another, not a class action lawsuit and complaining on forums. I was merely trying to show understanding and empathy of your position, but if you want to throw a thesaurus at me then go right ahead. I'm not special, neither are you so get down off of your moral high-horse. You're still preaching the "false ban", because you did nothing wrong. The ban isn't on you, it is on your account that you weren't in control of at the time - that is not BattlEye's fault, its either yours or Steams. I'm leaning towards the former for allowing the breach in the first place...

When I saw @Tankbuster and @sarogahtyp had put you on their ignore lists I thought that it was perhaps an overreaction on their parts, however I now see that was my second mistake - the first mistake was replying to this thread in the first place, which by the way, is erroneously titled as you (sorry, your account) weren't banned by the game developer (Bohemia Interactive), your account was banned by an anti-cheat software...

I appreciate you sharing your ordeal but what I don't appreciate is you're passing judgement knowing so many are affected. If you're one who's only willing to put up a resistance for yourself or capitulate then so be it but don't expect others to simply sit back and do nothing when there's something clearly wrong with this round robin "Gold Standard" BattlEye et al use to conveniently force innocent people who've done nothing wrong to have to pay again.

If that's the type world you choose to live it then by all means sit back in your virtual world and do nothing in the real world. There are those of us willing to organize to correct what is wrong while you criticize them for putting a stop to a corruption so you won't have to fight again on your own. The problem with the world today is there are too many quick to criticize and do nothing while others are robbed.

In what universe does the legal term "on behalf of" mean to you in Bohemia is not ultimately culpable to a degree?

Another question is this. Who is ultimately responsible for a breach of an account if there was no breach on my end which can be proven with logs from routers and firewalls? Your passing judgement without evidence wouldn't hold up five min in any court and finally who has custody of a Steam account if I'm not hosting on my server with my own security in which no third party has access or control. It's a shared responsibility with several participating parties and only evidence can show who was not breached which was me.

I  see you've never done a day in your life in IT administration let alone work in a network environment.

Look up the term preponderance of evidence.

[ZaPHoN 3]

Over 300 views so far in less than a week. Looks like people are starting to pay attention. I know the right people with influence are so lets see where this can go.

I'll be creating a website devoted to persuing this on a class action level for Canada and the United States and Eventually the EU.

If anyone else has been subject to an unjust ban by "BattlEye on behalf of the developer" then please post a message here.

I'll be creating an account on every forum of BattlEye's cohorts with the same message and will provide a contact eventually to participate.

 

[Jackal326 1181]

46 minutes ago, ZaPHoN said:

[...] I know the right people with influence are so lets see where this can go.

Where's your evidence for that one?

 

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I'll be creating a website devoted to persuing [sic] this on a class action level for Canada and the United States and Eventually the EU.

Hopefully it'll have an edit button so you don't double post within 15 minutes of each other...

 

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If anyone else has been subject to an unjust ban by "BattlEye on behalf of the developer" then please post a message here.

Again, I fully understand your reasonings behind your post and your intent to take the matter further, however, your argument becomes one built upon sand when you call the ban unjust. The ban as far as your account may or may not be unjust as I mentioned earlier, no-one really knows what your account was doing after it was breached (and the who's, why's and what's of that I'm not discussing anymore). The ban on you is unjust or at the very least unfair - no-one is disputing that. However the ban on your account for all we know is legitimate, and I'm not sure how someone could prove otherwise.

 

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I  see you've never done a day in your life in IT administration let alone work in a network environment.

I spend enough time on my computer in my "free" time without doing it for work. However that might give me some time for some light reading...perhaps a thesaurus, work on my vocabulary...

[ZaPHoN 3]

2 hours ago, Jackal326 said:

Where's your evidence for that one?

 

Hopefully it'll have an edit button so you don't double post within 15 minutes of each other...

 

Again, I fully understand your reasonings behind your post and your intent to take the matter further, however, your argument becomes one built upon sand when you call the ban unjust. The ban as far as your account may or may not be unjust as I mentioned earlier, no-one really knows what your account was doing after it was breached (and the who's, why's and what's of that I'm not discussing anymore). The ban on you is unjust or at the very least unfair - no-one is disputing that. However the ban on your account for all we know is legitimate, and I'm not sure how someone could prove otherwise.

 

I spend enough time on my computer in my "free" time without doing it for work. However that might give me some time for some light reading...perhaps a thesaurus, work on my vocabulary...

That evidence is for the lawyers and throw all the straw man and ad hominen attacks you like. I will not be going away.

Either Bohemia or those they have contracted on their behalf to implement some recourse for their customers instead of robbing them by forcing them to have to pay again when they've never cheated in any way or this will continue.

I'm no kid and If you think these attacks will make me go away think again. In all likelihood you have a vested interest in this problem so that only motivates me to expose this and correct it for thousands of people who've been robbed by a circle jerk between Steam, Bohemia and BattlEye et al.

If you don't like what I'm doing then what's your motivation for trying to stop me? Could it be financial. As this goes public eventually leaks will start happening. It wouldn't be the first time. Hasbro just had a great leak and the list keeps growing.

If anyone has purchase Arma 3 or any related dlc's and lost multiplayer functionality because of a global ban, they can send information here temporarily until a devoted website is constructed.

battleyecase (at) veritasmedia.org

Nobody will be represented where there is clear evidence of using exploits of any kind or been disruptive to other players during multiplayer.
 

[Gunter Severloh 4063]

3 hours ago, ZaPHoN said:

Who is ultimately responsible for a breach of an account if there was no breach on my end which can be proven with logs from routers and firewalls?

Its your account, there is no "responsibility" its not like theres something there thats running and if you dont interact with it, it shuts down for good,

the account is free to begin with, were talking your steam account.

        The games and anything else bought and added on it have no value in themselves because they cannot be sold,

they were sold/bought by you, once you reach a certain time in a new game then there are no refunds.

 

The only value anything on your account has is what you give it, it can be secured and there are certain measures set in

place such as the steam guard, and of course there is the program battleye.

 

      If someone manages to breaks into your car and somehow gets it started, and then goes off on a joy ride and then all a sudden because of

this person's actions, your cars security system automatically shuts the car down and boots the guy out (probably when cars are automated lol)

and you get the car back do you blame the car dealer, or the maker of the car for the actions of the person that went for a joy ride?

         So now you have a car you cant start, it wont let you in, is that the company's fault that created the security system?

 

Of course not, all you need to do now is reestablish security and find out how to clear the ban, or as suggested forget the account

and start a new steam account rebuy the game's and make sure all security measures are in place, and move on.

21 minutes ago, ZaPHoN said:

That evidence is for the lawyers

So your going to spend a couple grand to pay a guy to do what, look at your steam account, steam guard, and battleye to see

whether or not its BI's fault that your account got breached and to see if you can get the ban cleared from your account?

      You'd be wasting your time and money on something set in place by three companies that was designed to be automated,

automation does not lie, about all you need to do is prove that you were not the one using your account which from the looks of it

you determined it was some German guy who breached or hacked your account and move on.

[ZaPHoN 3]

Will your retract your position if in time it's revealed that these Global bans are designed to force people who have money to shell out more money again for the same game. Who's side are you on? The corporation or the people who've done nothing wrong?

Tell me how many corporations have had their servers breached and customers suffered because of their inability to keep their customer data safe? Only someone with a vested interest in BattlEye et al would take the position that all customers are at fault and it's never the corporations like Steam who had a breach.

And what would be your motivation to stop me? Could it be a financial interest in BattleEye or their cohorts?

Are you a paid moderator or someone who tries to profit believing they are an influencer?

Why does me rallying others in the same situation bother you or at the very least affect your in any way unless you have some measure of personal interest in dissuading me.

 

If anyone has purchased a Bohemia game that uses BattlEye and lost multiplayer functionality because of a global ban, they can send information here temporarily until a devoted website is constructed.
 

battleyecase (at) veritasmedia.org
 

Nobody will be represented where there is clear evidence of using exploits of any kind or been disruptive to other players during multiplayer.

 

[GTrance 0]

I'm on ZaPHoN's side on this issue.

The same thing happened to me twice and my account wasn't hacked. One game I just bought and got the ban an hour into the game. I paid nearly $50 for a game I could only play online for about an hour. Almost everyone on my list has this happen to and I'm sick of it.

I sent a message to battleyecase. Lets get this on da roll
 

If anyone has purchased a Bohemia game that uses BattlEye and lost multiplayer functionality because of a global ban, they can send information here temporarily until a devoted website is constructed.
 

battleyecase (at) veritasmedia.org
 

Nobody will be represented where there is clear evidence of using exploits of any kind or been disruptive to other players during multiplayer.