Matthijs 40 Posted February 7, 2003 Edit: I have completed the script to enable taking helmets off, and putting them on again. I used a menu action, and was able to set the action radius, to prevent your teammates fooling around with the helmet in multiplayer. Everyone thanks for the input. One problem remains: wound textures don't work. I could really use some help from an experienced addon-maker with this... -------------- Original post: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Currently I'n (still) working on units. I added the possibility to take off the PASGT helmet (hang it on your load bearing vest), and put a beret (or hat) on. Dunno if it has ever been done before.... Now, how would YOU prefer to handle this action? A) Use a custom action "Wear helmet"/"Wear beret" Disadvantage: other players can execute this action on you B) Automatically wear the beret (only) in "at ease" mode, wear the helmet otherwise. Disadvantage: you have no choice c) Automatically wear the beret (only) in "at ease" and "stay alert" modes, wear the helmet otherwise. Disadvantage: you have no choice Lock in your votes... (Any other idea's?) <span id='postcolor'> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Knight 0 Posted February 7, 2003 i like B and C its a nice idea.... but y dont u make it so u can choose in the action menu?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellfish6 7 Posted February 7, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Matthijs @ Feb. 07 2003,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Currently I'n (still) working on units. I added the possibility to take off the PASGT helmet (hang it on your load bearing vest), and put a beret (or hat) on. Dunno if it has ever been done before.... Now, how would YOU prefer to handle this action? A) Use a custom action "Wear helmet"/"Wear beret" Disadvantage: other players can execute this action on you B) Automatically wear the beret (only) in "at ease" mode, wear the helmet otherwise. Disadvantage: you have no choice c) Automatically wear the beret (only) in "at ease" and "stay alert" modes, wear the helmet otherwise. Disadvantage: you have no choice Lock in your votes... (Any other idea's?)<span id='postcolor'> Do you mean 'careless' and 'safe' behavior modes in B and C? I like that. Or maybe it can be automatic when you put your weapon on/off your back? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkraver 1 Posted February 7, 2003 like C the most. Why didnt you make this post as a pool post?? Instead having to read all the post thats going to be here. Like the answer i made. look five first words Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted February 8, 2003 I'd say wear the beret in careless mode. Would be annoying for me to see a bunch of troops putting their helmets on when they are suprised. It gives the enemy just more time to shoot at them when they have to pull their guns and put on their helmets. Sorry for bothering you. Questions; What's the update on the marines? What do you still have to do? Are all marines gonna have backpacks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Major Fubar 0 Posted February 8, 2003 I like A myself...although I can just imagine people messing about with it in MP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister 5 0 Posted February 8, 2003 I prefer option A. Besides, if anyone gets close enough move your helmet, you should have shot him by then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miles teg 1 Posted February 8, 2003 I also like option A. In addition I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to make a mission script to tell the AI to switch from berets to helmets or vice-versa. So option A I think would be the most versatile as it would allow mission makers and players more freedom to choose what they want on their heads. Chris G. aka-Miles Teg<GD> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloney 0 Posted February 8, 2003 Awesome idea! I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Anyway, how many soldiers would wear a beret out on patrol? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pzvg 0 Posted February 8, 2003 Hmm, the ones who like quiet? <spec ops, rangers,LRRPS, and oh, just about anybody who goes for long walks in the enemy rear like to keep pots optional, the THOWCK! sound a tree branch makes smacking one is very distinctive, it got a little quieter with kevlar, but it dinna go 'way> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid_Silence 0 Posted February 8, 2003 I like the action idea... can't you set the action radius to zero or near zero? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matthijs 40 Posted February 8, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Drak Knight: i like B and C its a nice idea.... but y dont u make it so u can choose in the action menu?? <span id='postcolor'> Hm, yes. That would be option A. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By dkraver: like C the most. Why didnt you make this post as a pool post?? Instead having to read all the post thats going to be here. Like the answer i made. look five first words  <span id='postcolor'> I hate polls on my own forum. And I also want to encourage readers to give opinions and ideas, as opposed to do a brainless click. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">MR DUCK: I'd say wear the beret in careless mode. Would be annoying for me to see a bunch of troops putting their helmets on when they are suprised. It gives the enemy just more time to shoot at them when they have to pull their guns and put on their helmets. Sorry for bothering you. Questions; What's the update on the marines? What do you still have to do? Are all marines gonna have backpacks? <span id='postcolor'> Hm, yes good point. I almost have the variant in DPM parka & backpack ready. Only skinning the hands remains. To do: - skin hands - Send the next beta to the beta testers - make the wound textures appear - Add functions - Send the next beta to the beta testers - Make the other variants:   * parka, no backpack   * basic US woodland jacket, no backpack   * basic US woodland jacket, backpack & boony hat   * basic US woodland jacket, no backpack, boony hat - Make configs for all variants as Rifleman, Medic, MAG gunner, LSW gunner, AT gunner, Stinger operator. - 1st release There might be additional releases, depending on my spare time and motivation. Things on the wishlist: An M136AT4 for the AT gunner, Mossberg M500, Steyr PIIk, Leica Vector1500, sniper, CQB units (BBE), and SBS units. Does anyone care to create/convert Dutch models like the Hr.Ms. Rotterdam, Land Rover, a BV, YPR, Patria or Lynx? (or maybe even the NH-90? NOTE: I could still use some hints as to what a squad sized infantry unit and recon unit should be made of. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By: Liquid_Silence I like the action idea... can't you set the action radius to zero or near zero? <span id='postcolor'> Yes, it's my first choice too. But I don't think it's possible to change the action radius. More importantly, it would clutter up your action menu if there are soldiers around you. No way to tell you which option will put on your beret, and which will put on the beret of someone next to you. Damn... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miles teg 1 Posted February 8, 2003 Ack! Please if you can avoid it, DON'T make any more At-4's. Everyone seems to be making their own AT-4. The TOW team already made a fantastic looking AT-4 that was released a long while back with Fransdens's Marines. Please just use that one, it looks and works fine. Also someone already made a Mossberg M500 that if I remember correctly was pretty good. I know it's tempting to make everything yourself but if there are good weapons addons already made floating around, please just use those and just include them with the pack. That's my suggestion anways. Chris G. aka-Miles Teg<GD> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio 0 Posted February 8, 2003 You could choose A, and throw in a global script so that nobody can do it 'for you'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matthijs 40 Posted February 8, 2003 I was a little too quick to say that the radius can't be changed. --> it can be set, and it works like a charm. So I think I'll go for the action. Players will have a possible action "Take off helmet". A few snatches remain, amongst which are wound textures. Arms work fine, but the damage won't show on the body. Could hard-core modellers please give me a hand on this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matthijs 40 Posted February 8, 2003 Ok, it's working rather nicely... See the actions? - camo face is a one time gig, after your face has been painted, you'll have to restart the level to get it cleaned up again. - You can paint another guy's face if you are REALLY close, like both having the guns slung across the shoulder and standing nose-to-nose. - Wear/remove helmet works only for yourself Still no solution to the wounds problem though. HEEEEEELLLLLLP !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellfish6 7 Posted February 8, 2003 Wow... very cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miles teg 1 Posted February 8, 2003 Ack...I lost track of who these troops are. Are these Canadian troops? I hope you share the script for the helmet/hat removal with other mods as well that have non-Canadian troops. I'd love to see this feature with British, and American units, like for the TOW Marines/Rangers, the BIB British forces and the BAS Rangers/Delta-Force units. Chris G. aka-Miles Teg<GD> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frk19732001 0 Posted February 8, 2003 just the same thing but twice wow wow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matthijs 40 Posted February 8, 2003 These are Dutch Marines, which are part of NATO's NL/UKLF. By the way, the camo face was provided to me by Frandsen. I got an idea. Anyone that has made his own soldiers, and can help me out with getting my wound textures to work properly, will receive my config.cpp and helmet script before I release the marines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJFLY 1 Posted February 8, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Matthijs @ Feb. 08 2003,09:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Drak Knight: i like B and C its a nice idea.... but y dont u make it so u can choose in the action menu?? <span id='postcolor'> Hm, yes. That would be option A. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By dkraver: like C the most. Why didnt you make this post as a pool post?? Instead having to read all the post thats going to be here. Like the answer i made. look five first words  <span id='postcolor'> I hate polls on my own forum. And I also want to encourage readers to give opinions and ideas, as opposed to do a brainless click. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">MR DUCK: I'd say wear the beret in careless mode. Would be annoying for me to see a bunch of troops putting their helmets on when they are suprised. It gives the enemy just more time to shoot at them when they have to pull their guns and put on their helmets. Sorry for bothering you. Questions; What's the update on the marines? What do you still have to do? Are all marines gonna have backpacks? <span id='postcolor'> Hm, yes good point. I almost have the variant in DPM parka & backpack ready. Only skinning the hands remains. To do: - skin hands - Send the next beta to the beta testers - make the wound textures appear - Add functions - Send the next beta to the beta testers - Make the other variants:   * parka, no backpack   * basic US woodland jacket, no backpack   * basic US woodland jacket, backpack & boony hat   * basic US woodland jacket, no backpack, boony hat - Make configs for all variants as Rifleman, Medic, MAG gunner, LSW gunner, AT gunner, Stinger operator. - 1st release There might be additional releases, depending on my spare time and motivation. Things on the wishlist: An M136AT4 for the AT gunner, Mossberg M500, Steyr PIIk, Leica Vector1500, sniper, CQB units (BBE), and SBS units. Does anyone care to create/convert Dutch models like the Hr.Ms. Rotterdam, Land Rover, a BV, YPR, Patria or Lynx? (or maybe even the NH-90? NOTE: I could still use some hints as to what a squad sized infantry unit and recon unit should be made of. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By: Liquid_Silence I like the action idea... can't you set the action radius to zero or near zero? <span id='postcolor'> Yes, it's my first choice too. But I don't think it's possible to change the action radius. More importantly, it would clutter up your action menu if there are soldiers around you. No way to tell you which option will put on your beret, and which will put on the beret of someone next to you. Damn...<span id='postcolor'> ru making modern day US troops? can we please have pics? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted February 9, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ru making modern day US troops?<span id='postcolor'> No dude, he's making some dutch marines, for pics go to previous page. Try to arrange something with BAS concerning their ranger addon, maybe you could make something out from there using the BAS model? (or ask someone else?, friendly of course) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Snrub 0 Posted February 9, 2003 I'd have to go with option A as well - as others have said before, it would provide mission makers with a great versatility. I'd also think that troops would wear the same headgear throughout a mission, and wouldn't be bothered to change if a firefight broke out... It might be a bit annoying to have people taking your helmet off for you in MP, but certainly no more than other irritating things, like TKing teammates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matthijs 40 Posted February 9, 2003 I edited the first post, so that we don't get the same questions over and over. As said, I have a solution to the problem that others might fool around with the helmet. Still no solution to the wound texture problem though. Works fine on arms and face, but not on body and legs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adammo 0 Posted February 9, 2003 Mattijs, I'm curious about your "action radius" script and how you where able to limit the radius of actions so that others can mess with it. Can you post the script somewhere? Thanks, Capt Moore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
