The Iraq Thread

[ralphwiggum 6]

uhmm..excuse me, but could someone please tell me where The Iraq thread is?

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ April 11 2003,07:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually, my Mom is in the business of auditing doctors and the government on what they charge patients and what they spend on them, and my sister in law is a medical student, and all I have to say is that the American health care system, from what I've heard from them, is well and truly fucked.  OBGYN's are no longer delivering babies in Nevada, because the malpractice insurance is more than half their salaries.  Women having babies in Nevada have increasingly been having to go out of state to deliver them, and its starting to happen in other states as well.  The healthcare system here is going to go into a full crisis soon.  Frivolous law suits are increasingly more popular, and increasingly more successful.  They won't even allow video cameras in the labor and delivery rooms anymore because the tapes were starting to turn up as "evidence" of malpractice in too many ridiculous civil suits.

HMO's are denying the proper care to their customers in an effort to cut costs, and there are entirely too many people in this country without any sort of health insurance at all.  Yes, those people can still recieve health care, but by free riding, they cost the taxpayers billions.<span id='postcolor'>

Wow.  That's pretty amazing  

One of the things we Canadians chuckle about our neighbors to the south over is how litigious you guys are down there.  I am willing to bet 90 percent of lawsuits filed in the US would get tossed out as frivolous.

When my son was born in 96, I was allowed to video tape everything except the C-Section.  And that was not allowed NOT because of lawsuit problems, but because they didnt want stray germs in the OR.  They told me that if I would let them autoclave my camcorder, that I could take it in.  I politely declined

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">uhmm..excuse me, but could someone please tell me where The Iraq thread is?

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I bet in Iraq, that medical care for everyone will improve. At least until the HMO's and lawyers get over there!!

[OxPecker 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ April 11 2003,07:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">uhmm..excuse me, but could someone please tell me where The Iraq thread is? <span id='postcolor'>

This started when people were discussing the merits (and benefits, such as healthcare) of enfocing your own ideal of democracy (or other ideal system of government) on other countries.

[Schoeler 0]

My brother just died from leukemia, and he had excellent health care coverage, but I can tell you, that there were several other families at the hospital at that time whose loved ones weren't so fortunate. HMO's were denying critical tests and drug treatments to their patients because they were cutting edge or experimental, and didn't fit the HMO's cookie cutter doctrine of how to treat cancer the cheapest way possible. What gets me is that health care is about saving fucking lives and not money. It complete shit. When the revolution comes, you can bet Americans are going to be lining the insurance executives and their attorneys up against the wall first!

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ April 11 2003,07:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dont forget beer.  We all know that American beer is like sex in a rowboat! <span id='postcolor'>

Fucking oar-ible?

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ April 11 2003,07:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ April 11 2003,079)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dont forget beer.  We all know that American beer is like sex in a rowboat! <span id='postcolor'>

Fucking oar-ible?<span id='postcolor'>

Fucking close to water.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ April 11 2003,07:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ April 11 2003,07:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ April 11 2003,07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dont forget beer.  We all know that American beer is like sex in a rowboat! <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'>

Fucking oar-ible?<span id='postcolor'>

Fucking close to water.<span id='postcolor'>

lol

[turms 0]

Schoeler: Im sorry to hear about your brother

[Warin 0]

Perhaps my most favourite picture so far:

[FallenPaladin 0]

I loooooooove Hippies!!

[FallenPaladin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (joltan @ April 11 2003,00:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Which by the way is one of the most horrible reads if you start thinking of the consequences of all the little sidenotes - like him sending out his thugs to burn the fields and catch the cattle, or the sheer number of people he and his legions masacred throughout the campaign, often enough including woman and children...<span id='postcolor'>

Regarding the burned fields and the killed cattle. As far as I remember (been some years since I read it) the tribe of the Helvetiis is using the tactics of burning earth for it`s own purpose, when it`s fleeing from the tribe of the Germanes.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ April 11 2003,07:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My brother just died from leukemia, and he had excellent health care coverage, but I can tell you, that there were several other families at the hospital at that time whose loved ones weren't so fortunate.  HMO's were denying critical tests and drug treatments to their patients because they were cutting edge or experimental, and didn't fit the HMO's cookie cutter doctrine of how to treat cancer the cheapest way possible.  What gets me is that health care is about saving fucking lives and not money.  It complete shit.  When the revolution comes, you can bet Americans are going to be lining the insurance executives and their attorneys up against the wall first! <span id='postcolor'>

sadly, HMO's are about making money.  Arent these "organisations" just insurance companies?

So if providing proper care and treatment is draining the coffers and reducing the dividends..why would we want that?!?  

[joltan 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FallenPaladin @ April 11 2003,09:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Regarding the burned fields and the killed cattle. As far as I remember (been some years since I read it) the tribe of the Helvetiis is using the tactics of burning earth for it`s own purpose, when it`s fleeing from the tribe of the Germanes.<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, but Cesar also used it often enough as a tactic to "pacify" an area. Where there's no food, no enemy can attack you. The Helvetics story is only the first part - read a bit further until you get to the part covering his "achievements" in Belgium, etc.

I just read the book a few weeks ago out of curiosity (having studied modern languages at school). I surely won't touch that POS again, not even with a pair or pliers. Thinking about that, it's still an obligatory book to read in German schools if you're learning Latin. Good thing most pupils are too busy getting the grammar right to really understand what they're translating.

[FallenPaladin 0]

That`s true. It`s somehow sad that the way propaganda is used hasn`t changed in the last 2000 years. It`s even worse that we still have to use propaganda after we are so civilized nowadays...

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ April 11 2003,01:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">uhmm..excuse me, but could someone please tell me where The Iraq thread is? <span id='postcolor'>

sorry.. I'll take the blame...

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ April 11 2003,01:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My brother just died from leukemia, and he had excellent health care coverage, but I can tell you, that there were several other families at the hospital at that time whose loved ones weren't so fortunate.  HMO's were denying critical tests and drug treatments to their patients because they were cutting edge or experimental, and didn't fit the HMO's cookie cutter doctrine of how to treat cancer the cheapest way possible.  What gets me is that health care is about saving fucking lives and not money.  It complete shit.  When the revolution comes, you can bet Americans are going to be lining the insurance executives and their attorneys up against the wall first! <span id='postcolor'>

I still think several private HMO's are far better than one giant government run HMO.

Just a counterpointfor you. How long could the healthcare system last if every person had multimillion dollar experimental drugs and operations? I absolutely understand your point and not defending these insurance companies but these guys can't throw all financial sense to the wind.

Sorry about your brother.

[Jinef 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (joltan @ April 11 2003,09:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">not even with a pair or pliers.<span id='postcolor'>

Most people would settle with a barge pole but not you lot. Bloody Germans with their precision!

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ April 10 2003,23:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am glad you have confidence in your President's ability to halt the rather depressed economy.  Going back to his sad tendancy towards 'Reaganomics', do you relly think he can spend his way out of a depressed economy... or in his case a combination of spending and tax breaks, without depressing the economy even further?<span id='postcolor'>

Funny this coming from a Canadian. There was once a time when I could use Canadian quarters interchangeably with my American quarters. Now, cashiers will pick out Canadian quarters and not accept them.

*throw worthless canadian quarters at Warin*

[Jinef 2]

Well considering Britain is at an elevated state compared to most other countries when it come to economy i can say that Warin is right, Bub has proved himself worthless once again.

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ April 10 2003,17:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No not really. It's been working for almost 100 years now and our economy is in much better shape then the US one.

Not that our is doing so exceptionally well, but more that your is doing exceptionally bad. I'm sure that Bush will solve the 300 billion dollar budget deficiency by a series of tax cuts.<span id='postcolor'>

nah.. the U.S economy is simply on the underside of the business cycle whereas the European economies are having trouble based on fundamental economic structure. Look at Germany.  0% growth, 12% unemployment and growing..

As Germany goes, so goes Europe.

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ April 10 2003,17:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Beuhler....Beuhler....Beuhler....<span id='postcolor'>

Do you mean Bueller?

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ April 10 2003,19:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm neither wealthy nor affluent, and I have good healthcare and cheap prescriptions. The media tends to center on the plight of a few of the screwed, usually arising out of the evil HMO architecture.

If you are poor (dirt poor) then no...you probably don't have health insurance, but that doesn't stop you from recieving treatment at clinics and hospitals.  There is a problem with senior citizen prescription plans and costs, and that is what Congress is dealing with now.

If you have a job, you have some kind of healthcare or another, which extends usually to your entire immediate family.

Medicare and government sponsored programs have been underfire and constantly being debated in Congress and the news. It's clear that there is work to do, but people aren't "left to rot in the gutter" either.<span id='postcolor'>

Exactly.

[FallenPaladin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ April 11 2003,14:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As Germany goes, so goes Europe.<span id='postcolor'>

That`s not correct. Our german economy is messed up, because we have dumb politicians here also, but there are other countries in europe who don`t have our problems and a good economy.

[FallenPaladin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ April 11 2003,13:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bloody Germans with their precision!  <span id='postcolor'>

/me strokes his G3 hrhrhrhrhr

[PitViper 0]

ok.. looking through the posts i notice that topic relevance is lacking.  I'll show discipline and I won't post unless it's to do with Iraq.