red oct 2 Posted November 10, 2002 see here for details. though i believe they have a legit reason to complain, they are targeting the wrong company, they should be after IO-Interactive for they developed H2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted November 10, 2002 Maybe I should start a petition against Interplay because the Redneck Rampage series portrays all rednecks as beer guzzling gun freaks with a limited mental capacity... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted November 10, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Based on the physical description of the Gurdwara, one can state with certainty that it refers to the Harmander Sahib, also known as the Golden Temple, which was attacked by the Indian Army in June 1984. During the attack thousands of innocent Sikhs and possibly others were killed.[2] Furthermore, the filigree and artwork shown in the game match the sacred ornamentation on the walls of the Harmander Sahib. The Harmander Sahib is a holy Sikh place of worship that serves as a religious and a political center for the Sikhs worldwide. The Harmander Sahib is held in reverence, just as the Vatican by Catholics. Whether the Gurdwara portrayed in the game is Harmander Sahib or not, such a graphical portrayal of violence within the sacred grounds of any religious place -- whether a Gurdwara, a Temple, a Church or a Mosque, is completely unacceptable. Given the media-constructed images linking Sikhs to terrorism and the oppression that Sikhs have endured in Punjab for the past twenty years, this game shows a deliberate lack of decency and sensitivity by depicting a turbaned Sikh succumbing to violent aggression within the sacred precincts of a historic Sikh shrine. Such actions in your game encourage hate and may possibly endanger innocent Sikhs all over the world by connecting Sikhs with terror. <span id='postcolor'> i do think they sorta have a point though, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assault (CAN) 1 Posted November 10, 2002 What a load of crap. Maybe bald white people should sue Eidos as well, after all, the character in Hitman 2 portrays all bald white men as violent and murderous. Â Come to think of it: I think I'll go play that mission right now! Tyler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted November 10, 2002 i would figure that there would be more people to offer some input on this topic judging how many had view it already Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted November 10, 2002 Ah cmon, this is knee-jerk bullshit... just because this happens to be liberal bullshit doesn't make it stink any less. It is a game, and just because a few polygons that resemble a Sikh happen to be killing some other polygons hardly makes it racist. BTW, how is it racist anyway? Heres the definition of racist: rac·ism n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. ---------------- The game makes no implication that the Sikhs are violent just because they are brown-skinned, so therefore their argument is bunk. EDIT: In the game, just about every race you can think of has a representative or two that are incredibly violent. Think of Hitman as an equal opportunity game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted November 10, 2002 This is most definatly NOT the first time a violent shooter has taken place on a holy place. There have been numerous churches as the setting for brutal games. Why shouldnt other religions be able to be selected as inspiration? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-RoNiN 0 Posted November 10, 2002 Gotta trust the PC brigade to come up with madness like this Why can't they just leave us all alone, go home and get a life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrMilli 0 Posted November 10, 2002 load 'o' crap. for one, most of those groups are American (there goes the court case), and the best they can do is boycott it (oh dear, someone who hasn't got any intention of buying the game won't buy it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frisbee 0 Posted November 10, 2002 Well,let the people from congo complain,since well,they were depicted 'bad' in rainbow six.Let the eastern germans complain for all the old movies where they were stereotyped. Jeez,what a load of bs,it's a game,it's fiction,maybe with realistic settings but so what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-RoNiN 0 Posted November 10, 2002 Go to the Eidos website - they gave in, now they are changing the game, changed the website and will change future releases (such as the one for the x-box). Bloody ridiculous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted November 10, 2002 I'm kinda on the fence with this one, on the one hand if we had more knowledge and respect for each other's religion there might be more harmony in the world, on the other it's a computer game...... So I say.....errr undecided I say Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-RoNiN 0 Posted November 10, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Nov. 10 2002,19:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm kinda on the fence with this one, on the one hand if we had more knowledge and respect for each other's religion there might be more harmony in the world, on the other it's a computer game...... So I say.....errr undecided I say <span id='postcolor'> Religion wasn't the issue though, it just happened that the bad guy happened to be Sikh, 10 years ago the bad guy would have been Russian or German, would Germans/Russians have grounds to protest? NO! Even if a church would be included, they wouldn't be able to protest. The whole PC brigade don't realise that they actually create and promote racism by coming up with all these weird analogies....PC'ness should be banned At least abusive PC'ness like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USMC Sniper 0 Posted November 10, 2002 Jeez! Maybe Russians should sue Hollywood for a trillion dolalrs for all the movies where Russians are commies, are steriotyped, are the bad guys, etc! WTF is Eidos doing, like some Danish programmers SURELY knew WTF a Gurdwara was, you don't even kill anyone inside one, the Sikh guys are in a hospital. Gimme a break! Â Oh yeah, I remeber in the beginning of HM2 the Mafia guy beat the hell out of that preist, and later he points a gun to his head, oh yeah and that huge massacre at the end where you kill 100s of guys in the church. Did Christians complain? HELL NO! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted November 10, 2002 From what I understand the problem was that Sikh's were in their temple killing people? That's what I read on another message board and Sikh's killing people in their temple is apparently something that would not happen because they consider it to be blasphemous or whatever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-RoNiN 0 Posted November 10, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Nov. 10 2002,19:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From what I understand the problem was that Sikh's were in their temple killing people? That's what I read on another message board and Sikh's killing people in their temple is apparently something that would not happen because they consider it to be blasphemous or whatever <span id='postcolor'> Somewhere in the Christian Bible: "Thou shalt not kill" Hence killing is blasphemous, especially in the house of god. Christians didn't complain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USMC Sniper 0 Posted November 10, 2002 There was only one temple in the game, that was in the mission "Terminal Hospitality", where you had to eliminate the leader of an evil cult. There was no one inside that temple, and the only things that could be considered bad that were inside it were a few AK74SU's. Now come on, you can't ask to recall a game because someone put a few guns in your place of worship? No one was killed inside the Sikh temple, but many were killed inside a CHURCH! The Sikh ppl should not be complaining about anything, its the Christians who should be asking to recall the game!!! Â not that i want them too, of course... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stag 0 Posted November 10, 2002 Was the subtitle "Sikh and Destroy?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted November 10, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wardog @ Nov. 10 2002,19:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Was the subtitle "Sikh and Destroy?"<span id='postcolor'> LMAO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jinef 2 Posted November 10, 2002 I agree to a point. Most of it is a load of bollocks and there are people who just want to complain. But games can go too far and not become games, become virtual outlets for peoples emotions. Example: one of the Delta Force games was on about going into caves in Afghanistan and shooting 'terrorists'. All this while people are actually dying in Afghanistan? That is insensitive and it wasn't even a good game either, they just released it so children could pretend to be killing people they have learned to hate. I'm fine with games that have realistic scenarios and real people in them that come out after a while but during? BTW why are the Russians always portrayed as the bad guys even though the war has ended (yes come out of your shelters) and they are now a democratic state. Considering that if you looked at the Russian forces during the cold war they were always in a defensive position, if they wanted to 'roll through poland and Germany' like all the 'experts' (that really were goverment officials just brainwashing people) said they would it would take months to move the resources and forces into postion. You could the attack spot months before it happened! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stag 0 Posted November 10, 2002 Er, how old are you? I'm going to hazard a guess you were in or had just completed potty training in the period in which you are talking about here: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Nov. 10 2002,00:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Considering that if you looked at the Russian forces during the cold war they were always in a defensive position, if they wanted to 'roll through poland and Germany' like all the 'experts' (that really were goverment officials just brainwashing people) <span id='postcolor'> They were already in Poland and East Germany, and in three times the numbers (at least on paper) that NATO forces were in the West; A point of some personal irritation to my family. Sure, there was some scare-mongering going on, but only to counter the thousands of airheads who thought it was allright or fucking irrelevant that the USSR had stayed in Eastern Europe after WW2 if the locals wanted them or not. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Nov. 10 2002,00:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> it would take months to move the resources and forces into postion. You could the attack spot months before it happened!<span id='postcolor'> That works both ways. The majority of forces for WW3 were in the US. This was the plan; The forces on site in West Germany would get the shit kicked out of them while an operation called REFORGER got on under way behind them. Hopefully the would hold until the reserves were raised to counter a Soviet thrust. So the Soviets were in a Defensive position? well, so were we. NATO couldn't have gone in a moments notice either. If you want to see the real difference between the two sides, just check out how many countries were quck to throw away the political systems that had been in place since the end of the second world war.Count the number on the East side of the curtain, then check the West. The West. Zero. Shit, check again, just to be sure. One thing that really pisses me off is revisionist history. Sonny, I was there. you are talking out of your arse. To Any Russians reading this and taking offence. Apologies. I'm not talking about Russia. I'm talking about something rotten that is dead and gone and good fucking riddance. Over and out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USMC Sniper 0 Posted November 10, 2002 BTW Wardog, how's it going on all those guns you were making? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stag 0 Posted November 11, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Nov. 10 2002,03:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW Wardog, how's it going on all those guns you were making? Â <span id='postcolor'> Another problem I have is a really short attention span. I er, wandered off and did something else. I'll see if I can send something your way this week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leec 0 Posted November 11, 2002 Oh my god call my lawyer cause the guy who portrays hitman looks like me Whats next? Everyone wanting to sue everyone. you got jesse jackson blah blah you got the kkk blah blah now this. Quite frankly its B.S. If you wanna flame me go ahead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted November 11, 2002 flaming? nah, this is a flame free thread. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Go to the Eidos website - they gave in, now they are changing the game, changed the website and will change future releases (such as the one for the x-box). Bloody ridiculous <span id='postcolor'> ware did it say that? i was just there and i didn't see any announcement on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites