Lest we forget...

[DracoPaladore 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Nov. 11 2002,17:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> no, we do NOT turn this thread into a flamewar!!<span id='postcolor'>

Unfortunatly, I can see already that Die Alive is trying to shove in Canada's face how BETTER the american army is.

As I said, I lost all respect for him. I won't try to coutner argue with him, or complain. I'm just going to ignore the hick.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Nov. 11 2002,17:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Unfortunatly, I can see already that Die Alive is trying to shove in Canada's face how BETTER the american army is.<span id='postcolor'>

1st - he's Canadian.

2nd - He's talking about the way we honor those fallen, not about the armies themselves.

And I could add my personal opinion on his statement, but this is not the place!!!

[DracoPaladore 0]

Does it matter if he's Canadian? He still lost my respect from that statement.

As for him: Rememberance day shoulden't be a day "To get out of school". Hell, we would honor them by going to school in my opinion.

However, back to the topic and off the flame war. (WHICH SHOULD BE DELETED BY MODS! )

We should remember all soldiers who died. Not just Canadians. Americans, British, everybody who contributed to what they beleived in. No country is better than another in my opinion. Every nation had their spotlight, but now its time to have the spotlight on the millions who have died for our countries.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Nov. 11 2002,17:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You know what... Americans know how to remember their war dead better than Canadians.  In the US of A, they get Memorial Day and a Veteran's Day.  That's 2 days off for remembering those who served and died in wars.

In Canada, war veterans and dead get one minute of silence and a poem.

Whoopie.

If I had a day off in May and in November, not only would I be playing more OFP, but I'd might attend a memorial service, or listen to some Vets talk about how their service changed them.  As it is now, just shutting up for one minute doesn't make me want to care or remember any much more.

-=Die Alive=-<span id='postcolor'>

If a minute of silence and a poem is all you see on November 11th... then you really dont get it.

Go by a Royal Canadian Legion today and tell me if the doors are shut and the place cold and empty.

What you are whinging about is that in the US they get two days off to remember their veterans.  To me it sounds like you just want another day off school...not because it actually means something to you.  And that shows that it is possible to not get anything in the rush to fulfill your own selfish needs.

What we owe our veterans can not be given in a month of days of rememberance.. and is not in the least slighted by a minute of silence where a nation stands together and gives its thoughts and prayers.

edit: I thought of purging the thread... but I will let it stand..

[Assault (CAN) 1]

Today we had a Rememberance Day ceremony in my schools auditorium. I was sickened by the lack of respect of some of the younger kids for the veterans who fought for them. We watched war footage from WW2 and some little idiots would laugh when someone was shot or wounded. When the poem 'In Flander's Fields' was read, some little slut behind me said "Oh, I'm so sick of this f*cking poem". My urge to turn around and slap her in the face was overwhelming.    I had to settle with cruel looks though.

On a positive note: Poppy sales are the highest this year than they have been in a while, which is good.

Tyler

[DracoPaladore 0]

Dosen't the poppies have black in the middle now? Anyways, my school didn't do much for Rememberance Day. And for that, I'm quite dissapointed. I hope maybe there is something after lunch.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Nov. 11 2002,18:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dosen't the poppies have black in the middle now? Anyways, my school didn't do much for Rememberance Day. And for that, I'm quite dissapointed. I hope maybe there is something after lunch.<span id='postcolor'>

You guys had school today?!?

Dont they close the schools in Ontario on Rememberance Day? We do here in BC.

The poppies depend. They made the change to black centers in 1986, but it took 17 years to use up the rest of the green material. So from this year on, they will be black.

Assault, I am in total agreeance with you for a change! Kids today seem to totally lack in respect when it comes to remembering the sacrifices made for them. I think it comes down to the marginalising of history as an important subject in schools.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You guys had school today?!?<span id='postcolor'>

In my 13 years of schooling, I have never got a Rememberance Day off.

I don't think closing schools is such a good idea for Rememberance Day. I feel that young children won't get the concept of the day, they might just look forward to it as another day off school. In my opinion it would be better to have an hour or half-hour ceremony with the whole school in attendance. That way, kids might get a better idea of the sacrifices paid by earlier generations.

Back in grade school about 10 years ago, our Janitor was a WWII vet. Mr. Arthur was his name. He was always freindly and smiling and liked to talk to us. Every Rememberance Day he would go around and talk to all the classes in his old Army uniform, I can still remember seeing all the medals on his chest. Anyways, he would tell us about what he did during the war, and it was a heart breaking sight to see such a freindly old man reduced to tears. At the time I never really understood why, but years later I do and I'm glad I got the chance to talk with one of Canada's war vets.

Unfortunately, Mr. Arthur passed away a few years back. We are slowly losing our war vets to the passage of time, and every Rememberance Day there are fewer and fewer of them to tell their stories. That's why I'm concerned about future generations, they won't have the same advantages of getting their information from the people who were there. So it's up to people like us to keep that memory alive and strong.

Tyler

[Die Alive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Nov. 11 2002,12:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You guys had school today?!?

Dont they close the schools in Ontario on Rememberance Day?  We do here in BC.<span id='postcolor'>

School was normal here, other than a bell for 30 seconds at 11.

Funny isn't it that the whole country gets a day off for Victoria day and not for Remembrance day... I mean, what did Queen Victoria did for Canada since she died 100+ years ago?  Meanwhile 97 000 Canadians died in both world wars and all they get is a minute of silence (the minute of silence is not mandatory, only voluntary).  Am I the only one here seeing the discrepancy here?  Isn't the death of these Canadians worthy of a day off to remember more so than the birthday of the Queen?

Sure, there'll be a few thousand of people in Ottawa (mostly seniors who aren't working) and the CBC will show it live (but who will watch, most of us are  working).  How many people go to Ottawa for Canada Day?  Don't you think that there would be more people in Ottawa if Remembrance Day is a statutory holiday, like Canada day is?  I know the real reason for not having a statutory holiday ...

Funny that on St. Patrick’s day (or the Sunday following it), there would be 200 000 people on the streets watching the most ugly parade in the world.  Or in December, 100 000 will watch a Christmas parade!!!  Or 100 000+ would watch a Gay Pride parade.  But Remembrance Day, a hand full of people.  Why? All those parades are on weekends, days people aren't working.  But on a Remembrance day, where it is  a national holiday (post office are closed, the rest are up to the regional governments to decided what's open or closed) for the majority of people... there's a handful of people.  Give the country the day off and there's going to be more people at these Remembrance events.  Because these poppies and poems are just pathetic.

Nice to hear they get the day off in BC... seems like the rest of the has a hit or miss attitude towards Remembrance Day memorial services.  I think Ontario is half half open closed, Newfoundland closes its banks (not like there’s any money in them) but schools stay open.

-=Die Alive=-

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Nov. 10 2002,19:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Today we had a Rememberance Day ceremony in my schools auditorium. I was sickened by the lack of respect of some of the younger kids for the veterans who fought for them. We watched war footage from WW2 and some little idiots would laugh when someone was shot or wounded. When the poem 'In Flander's Fields' was read, some little slut behind me said "Oh, I'm so sick of this f*cking poem". My urge to turn around and slap her in the face was overwhelming.    I had to settle with cruel looks though.

On a positive note: Poppy sales are the highest this year than they have been in a while, which is good.

Tyler<span id='postcolor'>

You know, a wel placed hit in the neck can be rather effective...

ANyway, i had no school today, every year we get a vacation on Nov 11

[DracoPaladore 0]

I agree that there is little respect for the hell people went through. Kids don't care now. Hell, I'm fucking dissapointed in my school. They read two poems and had a moment of silence. They didn't even have the flags half mast.

Maybe its the new principle. Last year, there was a whol fricken dedication for the vets. They even had several come in and talk about what they did.

But I'm like the only person in that school who cared. These people fought for us, and no one really cares. In both the United States and Canada(I lived in both. So I am not ignorant of what the United States does) kids don't really understand. To them, its some past deed over and done with.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Can we please keep the discussion out of here and instead remember the dead? Thank you.

I consider every single one of you discussing this in here to be extremely rude and disrespectful, similar to talking on a funeral or something.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I consider every single one of you discussing this in here to be extremely rude and disrespectful, similar to talking on a funeral or something. <span id='postcolor'>

Whatever. Your entitiled to your opinion. Pictures and poems only go so far, I think talking about preserving the memory of the people who fought our wars is just as meaningful, if not more so.

Tyler

[cybrid 0]

It is pretty sad with the lack of respect and all, today at my school only about 10% of the students wore poppies. No one seems to care anymore, maybe another good war would straighten western kids around, and they would drop this new certain "culture" they have adopted.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I consider every single one of you discussing this in here to be extremely rude and disrespectful, similar to talking on a funeral or something.<span id='postcolor'>

Grossly offtopic: has anyone ever cracked jokes at a funeral with someone? (Its ok if my last statment is too offtopic to answer to).

[nolips71 0]

i tried 2 find a poppy seller at my school, but could not find any