Hvymtal 1251 Posted April 18, 2017 All aircraft began on the ground with full fuel and all tests were performed with at least 75% fuel. All aircraft were flown on the same day on the same terrain at the same time by the same pilot (Wake Island, default time/day, me) All tests averaged over at least 3 runs, Roll median at 5 Controls were mouse and keyboard with default curves All planes were relieved of ordnance but had full guns and CM, Shikra and Wasp were stealth and had no external pylons, Buzzard had no gun pod PERFORMED ON 12 MAY 2017, ALL NUMBERS SUBJECT TO CHANGE Oukej states that any major flight model changes will not occur between now and launch so this is it UPDATE 12 MAY The big re-test, numbers final until FMs are altered further Fighters & Sentinel Spoiler Minimum T/O distance full flaps (full flaps, holding pitch up, note that planes are uncomfortable at minimum t/o and need to gain more speed ) F/A-181: 280m @ 240 km/h To-201: 346 m @ 279 km/h A-149: 233 m (!) @ 180 km/h (INSANE!!!) Sentinel: 270m @ 179 km/h Minimum T/O distance half flaps F/A-181: 329m @ 248 km/h To-201: 413m @ 300 km/h A-149: 250m @ 185 km/h Sentinel: 197m @ 190 km/h Minimum T/O Distance no flaps F/A-181: 338m @ 257 km/h To-201: 485m @ 312 km/h A-149: 260m @ 195 km/h Sentinel: 344m @ 204 km/h 360 Roll @ 700 km/h F/A-181: 1.65 s median, 2.14 s first To-201: 1.63s median, 2.27s first A-149: 1.35s median, 1.54s first Sentinel: 2.40s median, 3.06s first 400-800 km/h level (decel to 400, 500m) F/A-181: 17.84s To-201: 10.70s (jeebus 0.0) A-149: 16.86s Sentinel: 27.13s Notes: Wasp and Shikra liked to pitch down near these speeds with no flaps. 400-800 km/h 10 degree dive (0% and Brake to 400 at dive angle, then punch it. Hard deck 1000m, start dive/decel from 500 km/h at 2500m) F/A-181: 14.57s To-201: 9.33s A-149: 13.69s Sentinel: 19.56s (Note: UAV ladders are in 15 degree increments, dive @ 10 degrees approx) 400-800 km/h 30 degree dive (Hard deck 1000m, 450 km/h at 4000m) F/A-181: 10.66s To-201: 7.63s A-149: 10.06s Sentinel: 12.90s 400-800 km/h 10 degree climb (Start at 200m) F/A-181: 23.90s To-201: 12.21s A-149: 22.72s Sentinel: 57.11s 400-800 20 degree climb F/A-181: 34.16s To-201: 14.52s A-149: 36.02s Sentinel: Did not attempt Notes: Test was altered from 30 degrees due to Wasp’s inability to get to 800 km/h in a useful time Practical top speed (decel to 700 km/h and gun it, 900-1100m) F/A-181: 1178 @ 30s, 1314 @ 60s To-201: 1323 @ 30s, 1319 @ 60s A-149: 986 @ 30s, 1043 @ 60s & -15 degrees (uncorrected pitch), 990 maximum in level flight Sentinel: 865 km/h @ 30s, 870 maximum in level flight Dive top speed (800 km/h @ 15000 m, 60 degree dive, record @ 2500m) F/A-181: 1712 km/h To-201: 1770 km/h A-149: 1403 km/h Sentinel: 1135 km/h Notes: A-149 performed from 12k, Sentinel from 11k Max Altitude F/A-181: 15k (hard ceiling) To-201: 16k (hard ceiling) A-149: 12k (hard ceiling) Sentinel: ~10.5k (soft ceiling) Notes: Due to need for high fuel, sentinel tests were restarted after this one 200-3000m @ 600 km/h 90 degrees (pull up at 600 km/h accelerating) F/A-181: Failed, 2899m @ 33.70s total stall (650 km/h was 26.08s @ 297km/h) To-201: 20.49s @ 635 km/h A-149: 22.06s @ 496 km/h Sentinel: Failed, 2909m @ 31.18s total stall (650 km/h was 30.2s @ 180 km/h stalling, 700 km/h was 26.51s @ 240 km/h) 200-3000m @ 600 km/h 45 degrees F/A-181: 27.03s @ 546 km/h To-201: 20.57s @ 896 km/h A-149: 25.37s @ 602 km/h Sentinel: 30.17s @ 439 km/h 900 km/h level 360 100% throttle (accel turning @ 900) F/A-181: 14.26s @ 553 km/h To-201: 10.61s @ 400 km/h A-149: 14.42s @ 586 km/h Sentinel: 17.25s @ 529 km/h Notes: Sentinel began test at 800 km/h 700 km/h level 360 50% throttle F/A-181: 15.00s @ 279 km/h To-201: 15.02s @ 183 km/h stalling (got about ¾ through before stall) A-149: 13.53s @ 393 km/h Sentinel: 16.21s @ 366 km/h 200m-1000m-0m 700 km/h, 90 climb 50 dive (100% throttle, initiate turns @ 700 km/h, 1000m (km/h @ m & s) F/A-181: 371 @ 1394m & 10.47s, 813m @ 30 & 23.14s To-201: 415 @ 1400m & 9.74s, 929 @ 24m & 21.01s A-149: 489 @ ~1390m & 10.50s, 868 @ <20m & 22.03s Sentinel: 354 @ 1393m & 11.49s, 732 @ 0m & 24.70s (Might’ve bought it. Oh well, drones can be replaced, and i needed to refuel anyway) Power Loop 700 km/h (100% throttle, begin loop @ 200m, will be timed on re-test) F/A-181: 421 @ 874m & 7.03s, 462 @ 314 & 13.85s To-201: 392 @ 665m & 5.31s, 384 @ 256 & 11.05s A-149: 486 @ 826m & 6.90s, 566 @ 216 & 13.17s Sentinel: 430 @ 936m & 8.29s, 520 @ 282 & 15.39s Immelmann 700 km/h (number repeated from Power loop due to redundancy, will be timed on re-test) F/A-181: 421 km/h @ 874m, 7.03s To-201: 392 km/h @ 665m, 5.31s A-149: 486 km/h @ 826m, 6.90s Sentinel: 430 km/h @ 936m & 8.29s Split-S 700 km/h (100% throttle, complete Split-S with roll @ 1500m, accelerating through 700 km/h) F/A-181: 700 km/h @ 675m, 7.72s To-201: 510 km/h @ 966m, 6.03s A-149: 696 km/h @ 597m, 7.82s Sentinel: 707 km/h @ 399m, 9.93s Notes: Shikra was very difficult due to imprecise roll, overshot multiple times 200m to stall from 700 km/h, no brakes (Pull up, cut throttle @ 90 deg) F/A-181: 1752m @ 19.22s To-201: 1488m @ 17.04s A-149: 1719m @ 19.19s Sentinel: 1614m @ 19.14s Notes: Thrust vectoring makes stall recovery on the Wasp and Shikra a breeze Same, with brakes (engage brakes while cutting throttle) F/A-181: 1539 m @ 17.93s To-201: 1308 m @ 15.03s A-149: 1440 m @ 16.37s Sentinel: 1399m @ 16.34s Nose angle 400 km/h no flaps (decelerate through speed w/o brakes, pull vertical) F/A-181: 80 To-201: 80 A-149: 115 (lol) Sentinel: 115 Nose angle 350 km/h no flaps F/A-181: 63 To-201: 64 A-149: 89 (LOL) Sentinel: 89 Nose angle 300 km/h no flaps F/A-181: 47 To-201: 50 A-149: 65 (LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL) Sentinel: 63 Ratings 1st, 2nd, 3rd, tie---tie Speed: To-201, A-149, F/A-181 High and Medium Speed Maneuverability: To-201, A-149, F/A-181 Low Speed Maneuverability: A-149, To-201---F/A-181 Vertical: To-201, A-149, F/A-181 Energy Retention: A-149, F/A-181, To-201 (Deceleration is reversed) Stall Characteristics (subjective): F/A-181, A-149, To-201 Handling Characteristics (subjective): F/A-181, A-149, To-201 Flat Scissors: To-201, A-149, F/A-181 (hard to record numbers for scissors, performed online, hosted server, ping below 50 for both. Assistant wishes to remain anonymous) Diving Scissors: To-201, A-149, F/A-181 Rolling Scissors: F/A-181, To-201---A-149 Air-Air Ordnance: F/A-181, To-201, A-149 Air-Ground Ordnance: To-201---F/A-181, A-149 Swing-role Ordnance: To-201, F/A-181, A-149 (Wasp & Shikra are near-tie) Radar Range: F/A-181, To-201, A-143 Stealth: F/A-181, To-201 (hard to record numbers, but Wasp was definitely the stealthier one from all angles) Available Bases Including Carrier: F/A-181, A-149, To-201 Not Including Carrier: A-149, F/A-181, To-201 Conclusions: F/A-181 Black Wasp II: Good in level and at high speed, poor in vertical, good energy retention To-201 Shikra: MONSTER acceleration, excellent in vertical, great climb, great at causing overshoots A-149 Gryphon: Professional baby murderer, excellent in every area except acceleration and speed UCAV Sentinel: Surprisingly good considering it’s not a fighter, it’ll hold its own if it has to. Roughly on par with CAS in terms of overall performance CAS Spoiler T/O Full Flaps A-164: 120m @ 120 km/h (Though it won’t climb at all) Realistically: ~250m @ ~140 km/h To-199: 460m @ 190 km/h A-143: 525m @ 186 km/h T/O Half Flaps A-164: 330m @ 150 km/h To-199: 500m @ 200 km/h A-143: 521m @ 189 km/h (?) T/O No Flaps A-164: 350m @ 168 km/h To-199: 530m @ 210 km/h A-143: 602m @ 160 km/h (IDK) 360 Roll @ 500 km/h A-164: 2.54s median, 2.94s first To-199: 2.42s median, 2.92s first A-143: 1.50s median, 1.75s first 300-600 km/h level A-164: 29.86s To-199: 14.88s A-143: 30.12s 300-600 10 deg dive A-164: 18.35s To-199: 11.24s A-143: 19.38s 300-600 30 deg dive A-164: 11.62s To-199: 7.31s A-143: 11.58s 300-600 10 deg climb A-164: 1:12.74 @ 580 km/h (Accel stops @ 596 & 2:30s) To-199: 21.87s A-143: Not attempted, even slower than Wipeout Practical Top Speed @ 1k (Decel to 400 km/h and gun it) A-164: 638 @ 30s, 710 @ 60s To-199: 783 @ 30s, 914 @ 60s A-143: 637 @ 30s, 692 @ 60s Dive Speed from 10k A-164: Automatically shakes and pulls out at 900, max 1008 To-199: 1228 A-143: 1084 (need to brake hard to pull out) 200-2000 60 degrees @ 500 km/h A-164: Failed, 24.70s @ 1701m stalling, Failed 550 km/h To-199: 21.07s @ 386 km/h A-143: Failed, 25.92s @ 1677m stalling, DNA 550 km/h 200-2000 (or 2000) 30 degrees A-164: 33.35s @ 337 km/h To-199: 28.27s @ 514 km/h A-143: 34.57s @ 298 km/h 200-1000-0 500 km/h (50 degree dive from amax, pull out to 10 degrees at 500m A-164: 118 @ 1146m & 15.19s, 619 @ 10m & 35.65s To-199: 293 @ 1313m & 14.93s, 745 @ 19m & 33.40s A-143: 133 @ 1203m & 17.33s, 669 @ 10m & 38.87s Power Loop 500 km/h 200m A-164: 257 @ 697m & 7.92s, 295 @ 418m & 13.37s To-199: 306 @ 829m & 10.14s, 465 @ 104m & 19.34s A-143: 243 @ 731m & 8.95s, 366 @ 262m & 17.09s Immelmann 500 km/h 200m, no roll-out (repeated from power loop) A-164: 257 km/h @ 697m, 7.92s To-199: 306 km/h @ 829m, 10.14s A-143: 243 km/h @ 731m, 8.95s Split-S 500 km/h 1500m including roll-out A-164: 661 km/h @ 182m, 13.08s To-199: 550 km/h @ 527m, 10.87s A-143: 575 km/h @ 480m, 10.80s 550 km/h 100% Level 360 A-164: 23.89s @ 421 km/h To-199: 19.94s @ 409 km/h A-143: 17.98s @ 360 km/h 400 km/h 50% level 360 A-164: 13.34s @ 163 km/h Stalling To-199: 22.45s @ 271 km/h Minor Stall A-143: 17.86s @ 218 km/h 200-Stall no brakes (500 km/h) A-164: 15.14s @ 995m To-199: 15.40s @ 1054m A-143: 14.56s @ 974m 200-Stall brakes A-164: 14.40s @ 922m To-199: 15.13s @ 972m A-143: 13.72s @ 903m Nose angle 350 km/h A-164: 145 (JRIUWEDATFJVGRNHEDJIVGJHRIUEGHJIUFRSEDUNHGIUFRSEDNHG) To-199: 40 :P A-143: 79 Nose angle 300 km/h A-164: 88 To-199: 29 (can recover easily, it’s almost as if it’s doing a cobra) A-143: 51 Nose angle 250 km/h A-164: 62 To-199: 14 A-143: 30 Max altitude not tested, all have soft ceilings and you aren't going anywhere near them in a reasonable amount of time anyhow Ratings 1st, 2nd, 3rd tie---tie Speed: To-199, A-164---A-143 High and Medium Speed Maneuverability: A-143, A-164, To-199 Low Speed Maneuverability: A-164, A-143, To-199 (very wide margins) Vertical: To-199, A-164, A-143 Energy Retention: To-199, A-143---A-164(Deceleration is reversed) Stall Characteristics (subjective): A-143, A-164, To-199 (Neo far behind, Wipeout and Buzzard near-tie) Handling Characteristics (subjective): All tie, they're different but didn't feel inherent superior or inferior Flat Scissors: A-164, A-143, To-199 (hard to record numbers for scissors, performed online, hosted server, ping below 50 for both. Assistant wishes to remain anonymous) Diving Scissors: A-164---A-143, To-199 Rolling Scissors: A-143, A-164, To-199 Ordnance: To-199---F/A-181, A-143 (Neo can use quad skalpels, Wipeout has more bombs and more accurate gun, Buzzard far behind but still quite capable) Available Bases: A-164, To-199, A-143 Conclusions: A-164 Wipeout: Slow, fairly maneuverable (hilariously maneuverable below 250 km/h), decent energy retention, not terrible for defensive flying. Insane nose angle provides get-out-of-jail-free card at low speed To-199 Neophron: Fast but not really faster than a fighter, energy retention is great but maneuverability SUCKS, will require a lot of vertical maneuvering for defensive flying A-143 Buzzard: Bad but consistent takeoff, surprisingly good in terms of maneuverability and about on par with Wipeout in speed and vertical. It will compress HARD in dives above 850 km/h , though, so don't go after fighters this way. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McQuade 10 Posted April 18, 2017 The Su-35 is slower then F-18 - only in Arma :D - Let´s hope they will fix this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hvymtal 1251 Posted April 19, 2017 Only in sustained, straight, level flight. In practical top speed it's at least 100 km/h faster, dive speed is faster, it retains energy better (see 200-3000), and as you could see in 400-800 they were dead even. I couldn't come up with a good representative test to display this but it recovers energy much easier above 300 km/h than the Wasp/ Try doing a gentle climbing brake, then nose down and gun it. The difference is enough to matter in a fight. The difference between them is whether you want better energy retention and recovery or the ability to better cause overshoots and a smaller circle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hvymtal 1251 Posted April 27, 2017 New tests Minimum T/O with half flaps and no flaps 400-800 km/h in dives 200-3000m at 45 degrees Immelmann and Split-S at 700 km/h (Immelmann repeated from power loop due to redundancy) I'm also committing to re-test including CAS planes (midified tests, of course) on release 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oukej 2911 Posted April 27, 2017 Awesome stuff! :) 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainAzimuth 714 Posted April 28, 2017 Love the Gryphon. It's such a neat little fighter, despite not having the speed, altitude and stealth capacities of its opposition, however the STOL makes up for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hvymtal 1251 Posted April 28, 2017 And its energy retention. And its insane climb. And its tiny turn circle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainAzimuth 714 Posted April 28, 2017 I think it's fair. While testing, the Gryphon is fun. However, it isn't stealth, and as such, is only good at close in fights... If it can get close. Otherwise it must engage other targets visually, unless it shows up on radar. I found I've only been able to track the Shikra and Black Wasp II with my visual sensor. Most times unaware of other threats until I had already been fired upon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hvymtal 1251 Posted May 10, 2017 Shikra performance no longer accurate. I'd like to re-test but I'd prefer not to since we're so close to release. I'll perform the re-test on Wednesday since I'm working Monday and Tuesday and I don't wanna do it sunday because of possible Monday last-second changes 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hvymtal 1251 Posted May 13, 2017 Updated with re-test: everything is timed, Sentinel is included, A-143, A-163, and To-199 are included. Was considering doing the KH-3A and MQ-4/K-40 but their endurance is pitiful and I'd have to adjusts tests again; they won't exactly do 600 km/h. Or 500 km/h. Or 450 km/h. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
