dayglow 2 Posted November 16, 2002 The first one is a B-36, the second I forget the number p-??, but it's the black widow and was a night fighter. COLINMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edc 0 Posted November 16, 2002 Yep. Its P-61 I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted November 16, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Nov. 16 2002,03:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Come on Tovarish, got any more Soviet come American planes that you can post so i can frustrate myself all over again?<span id='postcolor'> lol, I'm afraid that yak-23 was a "once in the cold war" occurrence (as far as any of us know) but I do have some prototypes. Always thought this was a pretty cool bird: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edc 0 Posted November 16, 2002 I'm probably wrong but is it a Ye-5, one of the Mig-21 prototypes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col. Kurtz 0 Posted November 16, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (edc @ Nov. 16 2002,17:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm probably wrong but is it a Ye-5, one of the Mig-21 prototypes?<span id='postcolor'> You might be onto something, the rear of the plane looks like the MiG-21, but the front half looks more like the Euro fighter Typhoon or the Rafale..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted November 16, 2002 Hmm, Soviet aircraft, probably from the cold war, it has sort of a streamlined empennage so it reminds me of Sukhoi, similar to the EF2000... I give. After a thorough search of the FAS site, and a look at the clock, I give. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dayglow 2 Posted November 16, 2002 It's definitly based on the Mig-21, the wings, fusalage tail and tail pipe are all Mig-21 by appearance. New front end though. An older prototype though because it still has a AA-2 Atoll under the wing. Something newer would have AA-8s atleast, IMO. COLINMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted November 16, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (edc @ Nov. 17 2002,00:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Tovarish? <span id='postcolor'> Heh, sorry guys I've been out clubbing then working so haven't been at a comp lately. edc, you are close, it's a Ye-designation prototype based on the MiG-21. you can see the resemblences to the Eurofighter Typhoon, and this plane flew in 1962, so it was really ahead of it's time. Anyways, I'm at a party tonight so I won't be able to check this thread often (or if I do, I may not be sober enough to be coherent). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edc 0 Posted November 17, 2002 Its a Ye-8. I was searching to find a site that had info on the Mig-21 development when I saw a picture of it(not the same picture that Tovarish posted) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted November 17, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (edc @ Nov. 17 2002,01:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Its a Ye-8. Â I was searching to find a site that had info on the Mig-21 development when I saw a picture of it(not the same picture that Tovarish posted)<span id='postcolor'> Right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolips71 0 Posted November 17, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DayGlow @ Nov. 15 2002,17:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nolips71 @ Nov. 15 2002,06:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DayGlow @ Nov. 15 2002,00:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's an Av-8B, you can tell by the fact it has the larger wing with the extra outboard pylon, the outriger wheels are in the middle of the wing instead of the tip. Also you can see the LERX root extensions and also the bubble canopy. COLINMAN<span id='postcolor'> you did quite an accurate discription of the sea harrier there j/k well it is a gr7 <span id='postcolor'> Gr.7 is the british version of the AV8B, but it does have the extra pylon infront of the outriggers for the Sidewinder and I missed that in the pic. Sea Harrier has the bubble cananpy, but it doesn't use larger wing with LERX. It also has the blue fox (?) radar that lets it use AMRAMMS as well. COLINMAN<span id='postcolor'> correction AV8b is the american version of the harrier, not the other way around the americans only called it the AV8b too save face and not make it look like they bought it off us Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted November 17, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nolips71 @ Nov. 17 2002,23:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the americans only called it the AV8b too save face and not make it look like they bought it off us <span id='postcolor'> Not really. Us bastard Americans organised your airplane like we always do. A stands for attack V stands for VTOL (I think, I'm not sure. Correct me if I'm wrong please) 8 is just it's number, and B I assume is it's model. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolips71 0 Posted November 17, 2002 they origanalaly ordered 40 from hawker, (not sure if it was BAe then) and they wrecked a few of um in a couple of months (well maybee more then a few ) when they aquired a licence they called it the AV8b its true at that the yanks did not say too the american population that it was bought under licences from us Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted November 17, 2002 Not really. Besides, we saved your butts in world war two. Ok, let's stop this flaming. We both need to use each other's military to beat the crap out of Iraq. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dayglow 2 Posted November 17, 2002 Actually if you want to get technical the AV8/B GR.5 program was first a colaberation between McDonald Douglas and Bae, but the Brits pulled out. McDonald Douglas continued the design and the British bought it off of them. the GR.7 is a upgrade to the GR.5, which is a McDonald Douglas design. COLINMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dayglow 2 Posted November 18, 2002 Here's one: COLINMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dayglow 2 Posted November 18, 2002 To be picky it's a G91Y COLINMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolips71 0 Posted November 18, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DayGlow @ Nov. 17 2002,22:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually if you want to get technical the AV8/B GR.5 program was first a colaberation between McDonald Douglas and Bae, but the Brits pulled out. McDonald Douglas continued the design and the British bought it off of them. the GR.7 is a upgrade to the GR.5, which is a McDonald Douglas design. COLINMAN<span id='postcolor'> wede already had the sea harrier mk1 the gr1 and the gr3 before that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolips71 0 Posted November 18, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Nov. 17 2002,21:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Not really. Besides, we saved your butts in world war two. Ok, let's stop this flaming. We both need to use each other's military to beat the crap out of Iraq.<span id='postcolor'> true, iraq needs the crap kicked out of them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dm 9 Posted November 18, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A stands for attack V stands for VTOL (I think, I'm not sure. Correct me if I'm wrong please)<span id='postcolor'> You asked to be corrected, here it is... The AV-8 is still searching for a "propper" designation, at the moment, and since its conception, the american version of the Harrier has been know as the AV-8, which stands for Aerial Vehicle #8, and yes the A/B/B+ is the model... The Marines, who are the primary users of the Harrier, still want it to have the designation A-8B(+), but the US government wont allow it as the harrier is an "experimental vehicle" in their eyes, and do not want the designation changed... well thats democracy for ya (and this isn't a cut and paste job either...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
