Sensational discovery in Poland - 100m long nazi "gold train" has been pinpointed.

[sudayev 27]

Poland’s Deputy Culture Minister has said that a Nazi train allegedly laden with precious metals is “99 percent†likely to exist

 

http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/218869,Polish-official-says-%E2%80%98gold-train%E2%80%99-99-likely-to-exist

 

 

 

It's been a loud rumor since last few month about group of men who learned the location of secretly hidden train allegedly loaded with military equipment, gold, art and archives (and who knows what). Now after careful landscan with geo-radars, Piotr Zuchowski, head of conservation at the culture ministry has confirmed - it's there, for 99%. Train recovery works are planned, but due to explosions such works has to be taken and planned very carefully.

Train 100m long itself is supposed to be hidden in 4km underground tunnel near city of Wałbrzych (region famous for it's underground secrets from WW2 like Project Riese) and is protected by explosive traps. Two men (pole and German) who passed the information claim they learned the location during deathbed confession from a man who took part in hiding of this train.

 

This is an amazing discovery on a scale that never happened before. Think about the historical value of the finding. The whole train, even if empty is a hell of discovery. I forgot to mention - it's not the ordinary train, it's the armored train. The place is going to be bustling with TV crews and film crews from all round the world.

 

 

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11830226/Nazi-gold-train-found-live.html

 

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[vilas 477]

for 99% there is found "nazi golden train" in Poland

most probably train which was hidden by SS nazis with stolen goods

 

problem is other - information about this treasure was given by dying person to his grandson - and by the law Poland or owner should pay 10% to "person who found treasure" 

i just cannot imagine, how person can be awarded for things that his grandfather stolen , because who could knew about hiding such train like not SS troops, 

 

big corruption battle in our parliament was about privatization of Polish forests  - because than someone can buy such land, under such land he founds treasure and he takes treasure himself, 

now treasure is in state owned ground

 

but still it is morally not good if treasures robbed by nazis will be awarded to grandson of nazi (most probably, identity not confirmed, all we know guy is German and information has from his grandfather and our government already checked existence of that train that it is mined with IEDs)

 

i can only compare it to "my grandfather robbed your grandfather, i can tell you where he buried stolen gold, but you must give me 10% for information" 

 

also another troubles are for Polish budget - if stolen things are like Amber Chamber , than it belongs to Russia, than SS-man grandson get 10% and Putin demands Amber Chamber back (100%) than what ? Polish budget is -10% of Amber Chamber ??? or Putin pays 10% to guy ? 

if there are paintings stolen from Jews, than Jew get his painting, we pay from our budget 10% of its worth to guy whose grandfather stolen it in 1945 ? or we tell this Jew to pay 10% because this is what law says "dear Jew, he killed your grandfather, he robbed your painting, please send him 100 000 Euro because painting is worth milion Euro" ? 

 

a very "bad smell" case just starts , there is official governmental confirmation, a IED-protected armored train, hidden by nazis (SS) exists deep in ground, only issue is what is in this train, Gestapo documents, SS documents, Nazi prototype weapons, gold from Auschwitz marriage rings and golden teeth , Amber Chamber, because this train was not found by usual history diggers, but by person who location knows from "dying grandfather" and for sure this grandfather had to be SSman 

officials confirm it saying "99% sure", 

public knows about it only because some decent clerk told it to press , otherwise case would be top-secret, and than "few people would get extremely rich, maybe someone would be found dead, money would disappear, nothing was found except rusty MP40" 

 

 

of course people ARE NOT reponsible for their grandfathers BUT they should NOT PROFIT from it (because being responsible and profiting are 2 different situations )

they were blackmailing our offciais "we will give location but guarantee us 10%" for over week with their lawyers

 

i am against telling someone should be punished for his grandpa, but i cannot accept getting bonus for such grandpa (like all our "elites" which grandpas were Stalin era intel)

i look at all situation from budget point of view too , this train will wake deamons of WW2 again, i would not like to be in shoes of Jew who get order to pay 10% to someone whose grandpa maybe killed this Jew grandpa and robbed him, i would overreact as such Jew and probably had sentence for ...

such treasure should be secured by the state and not wake deamons of WW2 (Poland never get compensation from Germany, it should be 100% our budget but not wasted by current government) previous President Lech Kaczynski even said to send to Germans bill for WW2 (because compensations were never taken by Poland , due to commies politics before 1989 , not telling we paid bill for fuel for Battle for Britan and UK stole our gold too -now know fact about WW2, Poland get bill for fuel (when our brave pilots fought with Luftwaffe) for defending Britain in 1940  )

 

such transports in Third Reich were top SS operations, officers of SS kept secrets for 70 years, trying to sent some neonazis here to Riese (i do not want to say what i know and from whom, but there were problems with nazi ancestors diging in Poland)

 

there is a lot of mess "behind the scene" which foreign public doesn't know, guys who "discovered" it were for over week blackmailing our government to get 10% guarantee ,

this is not situation "i found nazi gold, i want to report it, i am sorry that my grandpa was in SS" but "here is my lawyer, here is second lawyer, we came here to get 10% guaranted by law from huge treasure we know is located on your territory..."

also we must remember that privatization of state forests was cut down, plus new government which comes in autumn (right wing) probably will stop selling land to foreigners, so maybe this German knew about upcoming situation and wanted secure at least 10% if he cannot buy this area legally and take in secret 100%

 

i hope mafia will not grab it and we will not find "government spent money on salary for members of parliament by giving them 200% rise"

 

 

nazi-robbed treasures were searched for decades by different Polish secret services (and in 40s by NKVD, KGB) but there are so many places in mountains that it is hard to find, only ex SS officers may know where things are hidden,

some conspiracy theories say that UFO is in fact nazi experiments with new flying objects but this is other story

[sudayev 27]

Anything could be there. Even the German atom or a disassembled VRIL :D What if WaÅ‚brzych was sitting on an A-bomb since WW2 ;)  Yeah but if your are interested in topic this place works on imagination like hell. I was in the region many times, studying the history behind Castle Książ and Project Riese. Hills and mountains around WaÅ‚brzych are full unprotected grottos, rubbled tunnels and nazi cult sites like Totenburg. Too many hidden mysteries there, guess we will have to keep an eye on the discovery and track official reports. It's to early to talk what to do with the stuff inside.

[vilas 477]

Third Reich wanted to make dirty bomb, thus they were working on uranium, they haven't make atomic bomb, but dirty bomb and maybe first nuclear works (or along with USA)

Germans had then the best science,

[Tonci87 163]

Dude forgett the money, if it is really the Amber chamber in there this would be a huge cultural and historic win! Or you know, the train could be completelly empty.....

[vilas 477]

 

Dude forgett the money,

tell it to guys who came with lawyers blackmailing they will keep place secret

 

tell it to previous owner if owner has confirmation of property

 

tell it to people who lost property 75 years ago

this gold can be from melted rings of people who were in death camps, many families here lost everything what they had cause it was robbed,

money is first issue ,  compensations etc. what if it has to be given back and there is need to pay legal 10%

[sudayev 27]

Like I said the train itself is a huge discovery. On the other hand I don't see any reason behind in burying an empty train inside the tunnel. There must be something, even if this train was a military transport. Untouched flak guns, weapons, supplies. Stuff of great historical value.

[DimitriLukin 0]

It's probable not gold in that train because the nazi gold is and always was safe in swiss vaults. But I'm curious what will be found there but better be prepared for an dissapointment

[ProfTournesol 956]

It's probable not gold in that train because the nazi gold is and always was safe in swiss vaults. But I'm curious what will be found there but better be prepared for an dissapointment

Not true. A huge amount of hidden gold has been found by US troops in 45.

[vilas 477]

exactly , to be precize in one of salt mines , there were also paintings and other treasures robbed by Goering from different countries

[vilas 477]

more sensational would be commie archives from WW2 ;)

according to newest discoveries of Polish historicians ... now schocking news

commie underground (NKVD supported resistance) was killing Jews to ... to tell it was made by patriotic Polish underground to have ability to call that it was commited by anti-commie underground

so commies were commiting crimes against Jews, robbing them - to later say "Polish fascist underground is antisemitic" and later tell surviving Jews "only NKVD can help you, cause Polish underground want to kill you" (making Jews cooperate with commies cause commies knew that Poles would be against communism (thus civil war after WW2 here and heavy fights till ca. 1947 small fights till 1950 against commies) )

commie conspiracy false-flag operations from WW2 would be also very sensational , what USSR (NKVD) was making back than

and commie partizants were... denouncing patritic Polish undergound to Gestapo , cause commies wanted to eliminate underground which fought with nazis , because for commies nazis were least enemy than free-market loving patriotic undergound,

maybe in Gestapo documents are informations about it too , and such WW2 discoveries after 70 years are shocking when you read about false flag operations,

Stalin was acting to make Europe communist, not to just destroy nazism, people who wanted free market were for him enemies, so our commie underground was fighting with patriotic underground

WW2 has many secrets still, many secrets are hidden still - like Britain keeps some things top-secret till 2045 , maybe in 2046 we will ... we  ? if we will be still alive

i do not know why so many things are top-secret for 100 years

[fn_Quiksilver 1636]

Refreshing to read about the discovery of historical artifacts rather than their destruction :)

[sudayev 27]

This is getting more interesting.

 

A fire broke out on 65 kilometer of the train line WaÅ‚brzych - WrocÅ‚aw. Exactly where lies the rubbled tunnel with the "golden train inside"! 

 

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/wroclaw/pozar-lasu-wzdluz-trasy-kolejowej-gdzie-ma-byc-ukryty-zloty-pociag/7w1tl6

 

 

 

 

Prior to fire this place was unprotected, full of excited random people looking around (people inside the actual tunnel, treasure tunnel lies parallel to this one, with entrance buried and hidden by rubble) http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum27/roflbot.jpg Local authorities have been warning people not to wander and dig around due to threat of explosives. 

Who and why set the fire then? Is it someone who wants to delay the process of train recovery? To scare people off or maybe to cleanup the field from explosives and bushes?

 

People from Wałbrzych are writing about units of firefighters, police and military. On Monday surrounding area will be fenced and guarded by the army 24/7.

 

Take from documentary, in 03:00 man shows the location of this train line. You can easily find it on Google maps 50.829641, 16.311757 in 03:50 he also shows the parallel line to actual line where the train has disappeared

 

Tunnel probably goes up to Castle Książ (ger. Fürstenstein) http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum27/1944.10.jpg

 

 

Some info about the WW2 hisotry on Walbrzych and it's surroundings.

 

Poland's 'Nazi gold train' could be first of many hidden in Hitler's vast tunnel complex. Walbrzych in western Poland has been gripped by the decades-old mystery of missing Nazi gold trains 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11834043/Polands-Nazi-gold-train-could-be-first-of-many-hidden-in-Hitlers-vast-tunnel-complex.html

 

[vilas 477]

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/b/7/b765ba8ef37634b49720eb42c8c4f34b.jpg

 

World Jews Congress appeals that gold train should belong to Israel for "all suffering during holocaust" 

 

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Russian lawyer demands Russia to be present in inspection of train too 

http://niezalezna.pl/70379-rosja-chce-polozyc-lape-na-ladunku-zlotego-pociagu-tymczasem-abw-spi

[vilas 477]

army engineers are told to do reconesainse, government ordered keeping secret and "governmental restorer office" is forbid to give any details to public, 

Jewish World Congress repeats that anything found anywhere should be given to them cause it is compensation for holocaust, 

official who told about train (governmental restoring office - institution to take care about old buildings, castles etc.) is told to shut up by Ministry of Culture and Education 

army with police surrounded area - nothing known so far , conspiracy theories say all press rumors are to create smoke screen cover and revert attention of people from current political events  (like one refferendum and fight between new elected President and old elected (soon loosing) parliament, which (parliament) tries to stop initiative of President to make referendum about privatization, retired age reform and tax issues) - which may be very possible that such topics are used to divide people tension in TV from real problems (well known topics like "one mother killed small child and all tv channels focus on it, meanwhile shares of big banks are being sold by ministry of treasure abroad, allowing to gain control on last bank to foreign bank, but all media say about "mother of little Maggie" and publish her topless photos found  )  or simply turning attention from wire-type scandal tapes which come and come and come 

[sudayev 27]

@vilas

 

I think that RafaÅ‚ Ziemkiewicz in his article exhausted the topic of greediness regarding world's most rapacious gang from New York - JWC. http://fakty.interia.pl/felietony/ziemkiewicz/news-najgorszy-z-gangow-nowego-jorku,nId,1879618Pretty good read and it seems like nothing is ours since jewish New York mafia claims as it's own everything without even waiting for an official stand and research. And this is how they care about jewish good name :D

Hearing this shit over and over and seeing dirty hands from all over reaching for profits in advance makes me this - wouldn't it be better if this tunnel  was empty? 

[oxmox 73]

I dont know, sounds a bit like hot-air and the whole case is overhyped. I did read that experts did find out the radar images are photoshopped (different densitiy of pixels).

And if such a train really exists, who says they will find gold. Thats all speculations so far, could be also just ammunition or any military equipment.

 

Time will tell....