End Game multiplayer performance. Will it ever improve?

fabio_chavez · March 21, 2013

They did? Where did they say that? I see a lot of talk about the server binary performance improvements but not client performance.

they on occasions explained that the game is (effectively) single threadded, that the guy who made the engine left BI which left them in a position where they werent able to easily change core functions, that they didnt focus on MP (and MP gamemmodes) because it would require to fix the persitent core issues with the engine first. (e.g. a dev half-jokingly explained to me once that they wont focus on pvp until the game performs well with 100 players, it was a bit of a flimsy pretext to cover up the lack of progress imho but the statement has a certain explanatory value nonetheless)

p.s. also there are rumours that they simply are not good at making proper MP gamemodes (lol @ the bot-taxi mission that came with heli DLC :P ) and left it to the community to come up with it, which wasnt completely unreasonable but unfortunately didnt turn out very well in the end (or did it?)

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p.s. 2 "we simply didnt like warfare", would you buy a car from somebody who makes such phony excuses? :)

Edited July 1, 2015 by Fabio_Chavez

chortles · April 2, 2010

p.s. also there are rumours that they simply are not good at making proper MP gamemodes (lol @ the bot-taxi mission that came with heli DLC :P ) and left it to the community to come up with it, which wasnt completely unreasonable but unfortunately didnt turn out very well in the end (or did it?)

It sure worked out for somebody if not the "traditional" MP mode players...

p.s. 2 "we simply didnt like warfare", would you buy a car from somebody who makes such phony excuses? :)

How can you prove that it's false even if the official version was also coded like crap? ;)

Then again, maybe it sounds more plausible to me because it's the sort of thing Iâ€‹'d say?

big_t · March 7, 2013

My pc is perhaps not super fast but it's certainly ok.

i7-3770K @ 3.50GHz - GTX 970 - 16GB low latency ram - Win 7 - XFi 7.1 - All SSD's. Games and OS separate.

Not to sidetrack the real issues being discussed about engine performance, but OP: You can easily be over clocking that CPU to 4.4Ghz and you will see improved performance for yourself anyway. Arma seems to be a CPU heavy game. Get a $30 Aftermarket air cooler and 4.4 should be no problem for that CPU. I have the same one, The K is made for Klockin' :)

About performance: as mentioned it's related to Island size. Stratis is improved performance compared to Altis. Try Thirsk,, good grief I couldn't even get under 60fps on that map with 40 players on multiplayer,( when it was more popular on breaking point).

T

Edited July 2, 2015 by Big_T

fabio_chavez · March 21, 2013

the "traditional" MP mode players...

as we speak of them:

BI should simply bring a PVP AAS (or even simple conquest) mission framework with 2 bases, for squad based, combined arms warfare in the form of official missions.

combined arms means in effect: 2 bases with vehicle spawns. by default the vehicles would have moderate respawn times according to the general mission layout.

squad based means: requirement of basic squad UI with mission markers as basic squad leader abbility and role assignment/kit restrictions of some sort.

These Official Missions would also serve as template layouts for the community to do the magic...

its so very simple that there is no logical explaination that it doesnt exist since game release to begin with.

p.s. for dummys: AAS means: take control of flag posts in a certain order.

conquest means: take control of flagposts in any order.

pvp means: no AI (aka Bots).

Edited July 2, 2015 by Fabio_Chavez

chortles · April 2, 2010

Didn't kju complain that they didn't want something like that in specifically rejecting Blitzkrieg? Mind you, then they proceeded to not even deliver official TDM/conquest at all...

zeep · January 9, 2002

Not to sidetrack the real issues being discussed about engine performance, but OP: You can easily be over clocking that CPU to 4.4Ghz and you will see improved performance for yourself anyway. Arma seems to be a CPU heavy game. Get a $30 Aftermarket air cooler and 4.4 should be no problem for that CPU. I have the same one, The K is made for Klockin' :)
T

Hi T,

I know, i should really get into that and oc my cpu. But i also do 95% of my work on it and i don't want to break anything, with the risk of not being able to work :P

Didn't kju complain that they didn't want something like that in specifically rejecting Blitzkrieg? Mind you, then they proceeded to not even deliver official TDM/conquest at all...

Blitzkrieg was one of the most fun TvT gamemodes i've played in Arma3. Bis should have just made that an official gamemode right from the beginning. Not everything has to be large scale battles etc.

Kju, and a few more people like Murcie and Galzo, understand how to make TvT / PvP fun imo.

fabio_chavez · March 21, 2013

Didn't kju complain that they didn't want something like that in specifically rejecting Blitzkrieg? Mind you, then they proceeded to not even deliver official TDM/conquest at all...

blitzkrieg would have been a great framework for this, right there at hand for them to build upon, though theyd rather give nothing than something :(

sure, performance wise the groundwork of arma3 was not optimal for like 50vs50 pvp or something but if they would have had the will they could at least have delivered some nice and lean official mission framework along the lines of traditional MP.

i may seem to have a fundamental position to this and the notion of a official conventional pvp mission seems to be not so relevant these days but only because, after 2 years of arma3, all the people who share similar sentiments dont touch arma anymore (or frequent the forums for that matter)... though without reasonable doubt, global server population today would be threefold, with mentioned features.

big_t · March 7, 2013

Hi T,
I know, i should really get into that and oc my cpu. But i also do 95% of my work on it and i don't want to break anything, with the risk of not being able to work :P

Oh yeah , I know that feeling, with computers especially "if it's not broke ... don't fix it". The main concern for damage is overheating the cpu. Keep an eagle eye on temperatures in the beginning. Proceed with slow increments (3.7ghz,3.9ghz,4.1ghz) and stress test with prime 95 all the while watching temps closely. Check out the overclocking communities (overclock.net), plenty of tutorials and they are usually more than ready to give some friendly advice for the beginner.

ric · March 27, 2012

they on occasions explained that the game is (effectively) single threadded, that the guy who made the engine left BI which left them in a position where they werent able to easily change core functions, that they didnt focus on MP (and MP gamemmodes) because it would require to fix the persitent core issues with the engine first. (e.g. a dev half-jokingly explained to me once that they wont focus on pvp until the game performs well with 100 players, it was a bit of a flimsy pretext to cover up the lack of progress imho but the statement has a certain explanatory value nonetheless)
p.s. also there are rumours that they simply are not good at making proper MP gamemodes (lol @ the bot-taxi mission that came with heli DLC :P ) and left it to the community to come up with it, which wasnt completely unreasonable but unfortunately didnt turn out very well in the end (or did it?)

I remember during the alpha I booted my PC to run only one core and then I started the Arma3 server and loaded a mission i had made and it loaded fine until the AI spawned then it crashed, at its heart Arma is an old engine that was not coded for multicore and until there is a fundamental rewrite nothing will change and they will continue to rob peter to pay Paul. :(

zeep · January 9, 2002

Oh yeah , I know that feeling, with computers especially "if it's not broke ... don't fix it". The main concern for damage is overheating the cpu. Keep an eagle eye on temperatures in the beginning. Proceed with slow increments (3.7ghz,3.9ghz,4.1ghz) and stress test with prime 95 all the while watching temps closely. Check out the overclocking communities (overclock.net), plenty of tutorials and they are usually more than ready to give some friendly advice for the beginner.

Thank you for the tips!

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Is there more information about the new engine BIS is moving to that i can read? I'm following the engine development of Dayz too.