Killing sadam

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Oct. 03 2002,18:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">mossadegh: the cia didn't assassinate him, silly.

langley helped royalist forces, - the shah had already been in power -, to gain the upper hand and arrest him for treason on aug. 19, 1953. four days before that the shah had dismissed him from office.

mossadegh was condemned to 3 years of solitary confinement for treason. after that he remained a private person.

looks like somebody had himself a plan...<span id='postcolor'>

Bah, sorry. I meant removed him. The discussion was about assassinations so I accidentally put the wrong word.

You are quite correctly describing his fate.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">khomeini sent cassette tapes with his preaching from his exile in france to iran. they sparked the islamic revolution and his preaching fueled this hatred of all things american.

btw, khomeini once said: "we must destroy the great satan (US). the small satans will fall by themselves."

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Khomeini was also us-aided. When the Shah realised that he was going to fast with the adapation of western culture and lifestyle, he started to distance himself from the USA. This was of course unpopular so they began looking for alternatives. Khomeini actually met in 1978 with Carter's NSA, Brzezinski who told Carter that "Khomeini was a saint".

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...denoir, why do you hate the US government so much?<span id='postcolor'>

I don't hate the US government at all. Why do you seek such simplistic excuses instead of listening to what I say? It is true that I don't agree much with the Bush administration, but I think that I have so far always explained my reasons.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Oct. 03 2002,13:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Afghanistan war for example was planned before 9.11...

Anyone that tells that there is no relation between the Unocal pipeline project and the military US intervention must be blind.

<snip to irony>

I mean there is still no prove and that is fact.<span id='postcolor'>

Delicious.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Oct. 03 2002,13:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Every day 300 children die in Irak of starvation due to UN resolutions and embargos.<span id='postcolor'>

Every day 300 children die in Iraq of starvation due to Hussein's failure to abide by UN resolutions.

Semper Fi

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2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Oct. 03 2002,182)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the US can- and should not go around assassinating heads of state. this law must remain on the books.

I mean, what would be next?

putin killing shevardnadze for allowing chechens in the pankisi valley? would open pandora's box. no, no. <span id='postcolor'>

Yet, you seem to support the idea of a pre-emptive attack. How do you justify that and the precedent it sets for the rest of the world?

A very lame attempt to re-label what is noramally called "an act of aggression".

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Duke,how about all of us donate you a barret,pay for your expenses such as training and travel,and see if YOU could take him out.

If your answer'd be the right one,seeing as it's so easy ,it would have been done.

I could pretend to know better than one man,but to know better than governements and intellectuals around the world,sorry,I'm not _that_ full of myself.

Hussein has shelters everywhere,doesn't sleep longer than a few hours at the same place,has a few decoy Saddam's around.You wanna kill him easily,turn Iraq in a nuclear desert instead of it being a normal one,easy answer huh?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Plus, I thought all of you anti-capitalist, socialist left wingers would be in 7th heaven with the US economy. We have and will always have the strongest economy in the world<span id='postcolor'>

economy ? what economy ? we don't have economy enymore.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Plus, I thought all of you anti-capitalist, socialist left wingers would be in 7th heaven with the US economy.  We have and will always have the strongest economy in the world<span id='postcolor'>

Hail to America, King of Kings, God of Gods, Absolute ruler of the World!

Alllll haaaail

 

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Oct. 03 2002,20:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hail to America, King of Kings, God of Gods, Absolute ruler of the World!

Alllll haaaail

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Darklight, if you don't have anything to add to the discussion, don't bother to post. This is not the way to defend your position and can only be seen as flame bait.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Oct. 02 2002,21:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Oct. 03 2002,20:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hail to America, King of Kings, God of Gods, Absolute ruler of the World!

Alllll haaaail

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Darklight, if you don't have anything to add to the discussion, don't bother to post. This is not the way to defend your position and can only be seen as flame bait.<span id='postcolor'>

Hmz sorry...

Duke of ray, if you ask me your view on this subject isn't realistic, it's not all as easy as you think...

Your "solution" isn't a solution at all, you can't just kill a man, think about it, don't you think you're being a bit unrealistic?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Nagual @ Oct. 03 2002,00:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Oct. 03 2002,14:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If Bush wants Bush really wants Suddam Hussien dead, he should be willing to do it himself. If you want a good job done, you do it yourself. I think that calls for a duel between Mr. Bush and Mr. Hussien. If Bush really wanted to get Hussien out of the way for the good of the world, he would be willing to sacrafice his life for the cause, not the blood of his soldiers.<span id='postcolor'>

lol,

why not just get them both on the jerry springer show...<span id='postcolor'>

Iraqi minister suggests just that! Get the US leaders that hate Hussein and his government so much to challange the Iraqi leaders in a duel. Using the same weapons on neutral ground. Koffi Annan should be the referee.

Oh man, Ari Fleisher (<- conceded liar) says there can be no serious response to this suggestion.

I think it would probably be the only fair solution... let the politicians put their ass on the line finally.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Oct. 02 2002,22:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Nagual @ Oct. 03 2002,00:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Oct. 03 2002,14:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If Bush wants Bush really wants Suddam Hussien dead, he should be willing to do it himself. If you want a good job done, you do it yourself. I think that calls for a duel between Mr. Bush and Mr. Hussien. If Bush really wanted to get Hussien out of the way for the good of the world, he would be willing to sacrafice his life for the cause, not the blood of his soldiers.<span id='postcolor'>

lol,

why not just get them both on the jerry springer show...<span id='postcolor'>

Iraqi minister suggests just that!  Get the US leaders that hate Hussein and his government so much to challange the Iraqi leaders in a duel.  Using the same weapons on neutral ground.  Koffi Annan should be the referee.  

Oh man, Ari Fleisher (<- conceded liar) says there can be no serious response to this suggestion.      

I think it would probably be the only fair solution... let the politicians put their ass on the line finally.<span id='postcolor'>

Aaaaah great, finally we're gonna see the politicians having to fight for their own crap, i bet you there'll be 80% less war when they have to do the dirty part themselves...

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Shooting Sadam will not solve the problem at all. I am not sure about an attack on Iraq, but if it where to happen I most likely would support it. So it would be of higer standerds to kill Sadam with a bomb instead of killing him with a bullet or hiring somebody to do that? To solve the problem with Iraq would take many years of occupation, I realize this. What leads me to support an attack on Iraq is that you an I both know that they support terriosm, and if they have ukes, or get them the terriost could get them. So basically its get them before they get us.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Oct. 03 2002,23:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What leads me to support an attack on Iraq is that you an I both know that they support terriosm, and if they have ukes, or get them the terriost could get them. So basically its get them before they get us. <span id='postcolor'>

I am assuming that you mean Nukes, and no, we DON'T know if he has them or not. And following your line of reasoning, I think we should get France before France gets us (nothing personal Ran, but you know, you have nukes, and you guys don't like America. What ya gonna do?).

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Yes my logic is to attack any body whith them there nukler wepons, dems be wepons of massotivaaly destruction. I do not think France is going to supply terriost with wepons, something I would not put past Sadam.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Except he does not have nukes. And if he did, he has no way to deliver them to the US

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

Maybe he does maybe he does not. How do you know he does not have nukes? How do you know he could not get them to the U.S.? Not saying could or does, just asking.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Oct. 04 2002,00:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maybe he does maybe he does not. How do you know he does not have nukes? How do you know he could not get them to the U.S.? Not saying could or does, just asking. <span id='postcolor'>

I am not 100% sure that he does not have nukes, but making a nuclear device (especially one small enough to be used in a missile or a terrorist attack) for the first time is a very difficult endeavor and requires a large amount of resources and infrastructure, which Saddam does not have, and in a country like Iraq, it would be easy to spot any build up like that.

Also, I would like to point out again that Saddam is not suicidal, and he knows that using a nuke or attemting to use a nuke is a death sentence for he and his country.

And I know he couldn't get them to the US because he doesn't possess anything longer range than a Scud (theater ballistic missile).

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He could hit the US because he has close connections with terrorist groups and he could give one to them.

He knows how to make a nuclear weapon-all they need is the right material and he could and probably would have a nuclear device. I've heard recently on the news that there's evidence that some militia group in whatever Zaire is called now, that offered to sell him some material.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (edc @ Oct. 04 2002,00:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He could hit the US because he has close connections with terrorist groups and he could give one to them.

He knows how to make a nuclear weapon-all they need is the right material and he could and probably would have a nuclear device.  I've heard recently on the news that there's evidence that some militia group in whatever Zaire is called now, that offered to sell him some material.<span id='postcolor'>

Well now, do you suppose that if the news knows about it, chances are the shipment never got through?

And once again, you say that he has close connections to terrorist groups- without any supporting evidence. In over 10 years he has had ample opportunty to cultivate terrorist camps in his country, or give them arms and training- but he hasn't. This is because of the reason I put forth earlier: Most Muslims despise Saddam, especially the extremely religious ones. In the Koran, fighting fellow Muslims is just about the worst thing you can do, and Iraq has started 2 seperate wars of aggression against his Islamic neighbors. He has only recently pulled stupid publicity stunts like sending money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers to ingratiate himself to the Arab countries, and to hedge against the possibility of the US using their bases in Saudi Arabia to launch attacks against him.

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Look, let me clarify- there is such a thing as a middle ground here. We do have more choices than kill him or let him off scot-free. We can just keep a close eye on him, let him know we mean business, and if he screws up, we walk all over him. But right now, a policy of diplomacy and containment will work just as well at keeping the world safe from Saddam, and will serve to keep international relations much friendlier between the US and our allies.

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I would want to make sure Sadam is a threat, and has the cabability of getting nukes. Do not think for a minute he would not use them or help somebody use them.

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Posted: Oct. 03 2002,05:49

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Did any of you "anything once again to stick it to Bush" guys READ the press conference? Apparently not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2....printer

Also the "war to cover up the economy" argument is lame. But you guys can't come up with anything else. Status Quo.

Listen up you arrogant son of a bitch. <span id='postcolor'>

I hate to be like this but............OH RALPH WIGGUMS.......

Remember my little 24 hour ban for calling someone a fucking liberal????

I want the same treatment for being called and arrogant son of a bitch.

If you don't give me the same courtesy you will prove once and for all the left wing bias against any conservative voice on this forum.

Be a man. Do what is right. (or would that be left?)

Tex. personally I don't care what you call me. This forum is the most censored forum I have seen. I would prefer everone to voice their true feelings instead of worrying about being banned by the almighty moderators.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But you guys can't come up with anything else.<span id='postcolor'>

I did came up with facts. Hard ones . Not the ones Bush offers in Autumn sale to the world.

I am not left or right or anywhere. I benefit of a thinking process - nothing else. If you want to force us into political corners in this forum you do wrong. Not everything is fixed to political attitudes, even not here in Europe. Maybe we think more about the consequences of a military aggression on Irak than other nations do for a simple reason. We live closer to that country and it can not be foreseen what consequences this crisis would have in our OWN countries. So please allow anyone to have his opinion. Insulting another is not the way to debate, but simply ignoring facts is just stupid.

So back to topic .

Where are the Court - solutions ?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Go ahead and restrict me. That doesn't mean you aren't an arrogant son of a bitch. Actually, you are an ignorant, arrogant son of a bitch. Maybe that will get me restricted.

[NavyEEL 0]

I'm an arrogant, son of a bitch too (sorry Mom!!!

[Night181 0]

just so you know this just in. Sadam wants to have a 2 on 2 duel with Bush.

Bush vs Sadam

Chaney vs 2nd in command of Iraq

and i mean old 18th century pistol duel