Bashka_IF 1 Posted March 4, 2015 http://for-ua.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15481 people celebrate... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orcinus 121 Posted March 4, 2015 Putin has made a TV broadcast in which, according to the BBC, he said "It is necessary to finally rid Russia of the shame and tragedies like the one that we lived through and saw quite recently. I mean the murder, the brazen murder of Boris Nemtsov right in the centre of the capital". Does anyone know how many political assasinations there have been of people who were not opponents of Putin? Or how many supporters of Putin have died in prison? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orcinus 121 Posted March 5, 2015 @beastcat Useful video, I had forgotten some of the details of the KGB bombing campaign; however, it doesn't answer my question which remains: how many govt. or pro-govt. politicians have been assasinated since Putin took power? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sub-Human 10 Posted March 5, 2015 Kadyrov is the only one that I can think of. There was a number of pro-Putin murders, but in (or related to) Chechnya and Ingushetia areas - where Muslim radicals continue to operate. Of course I find the 'angry Chechen Muslim' theory towards Nemtsov completely unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oxmox 73 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Putin has made a TV broadcast in which, according to the BBC, he said "It is necessary to finally rid Russia of the shame and tragedies like the one that we lived through and saw quite recently. I mean the murder, the brazen murder of Boris Nemtsov right in the centre of the capital".Does anyone know how many political assasinations there have been of people who were not opponents of Putin? Or how many supporters of Putin have died in prison? Wikipedia lists assasinated politicians but the timeframe goes back to the 19th century, but the big question is if it shows all incidents. I have doubts since almost none are listed from the Soviet/Bolshevik time. So, take the list with a grain of salt. Assassinated Politicians in Russia (31 politicians listed and around half of them in this list died in the time since the fall of the Soviet Union) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Assassinated_Russian_politicians Edited March 5, 2015 by oxmox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sub-Human 10 Posted March 6, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOuqCZO9jV4 Interesting analysis of the crime. * Presence of snow-cleaning machine during a day when there was no snow?* Snow-cleaning machine changing its speed according to the walking pace of the killer?* Snow-cleaning machine at first covering killer from dashcams of approaching cars. Then suddenly changes speeds, and covers murder scene.* Getaway car going behind the flow of cars. * Same snow-cleaning machine appears on this bridge 6 minutes after the murder, going backwards. This was planned and carried out so perfectly. Knowing exactly when Nemtsov shows up on the bridge - Knowing exactly when the flow of cars would show up - Knowing exactly at which moment the snow-cleaning machine and the getaway car should appear. At least several teams with sophisticated communication and definitely not amateur training. And all this in one of the most FSO-dense area in Russia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orcinus 121 Posted March 6, 2015 And Putin expects the world to believe it was some opposition group seeking to discredit him? - any group with such resources and willing to kill would more likely have targetted Putin himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bashka_IF 1 Posted March 6, 2015 And Putin expects the world to believe it was some opposition group seeking to discredit him? - any group with such resources and willing to kill would more likely have targetted Putin himself. Sure. Nemtsov criticized Putin, insulted him on camera (not face to face), Putin killed him. It is so obvious, case solved, simply nothing to discuss here anymore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sub-Human 10 Posted March 6, 2015 Sure. Nemtsov criticized Putin, insulted him on camera (not face to face), Putin killed him.It is so obvious, case solved, simply nothing to discuss here anymore Nemtsov was the only opposition leader in the country able to participate in presidential elections. And considering his popularity within the region where he held a seat in the parliament, and large follower base on social networks - he would be, for the first time in Putin's reign, an actual political opponent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted March 6, 2015 And he was about to publish a report on the Russian involvement in Ukraine. Very convenient that the police was able to take everything with them when they raided his home after he was dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted March 6, 2015 Nemtsov was the only ... he would be, for the first time in Putin's reign, an actual political opponent. Too bad he is no more, to satisfaction of his main rival. On the other hand I don't believe in fair elections this country, because this this country isn't democratic at all, while free and fair elections are the domain of most cultured societies. Putin is using elections as yet another tool or leverage to show these fools who is the real boss. It has more to do with caricature of elections rather than real thing. After what they did in Crimea with rigging and bouncing up the turnout the lack of any credit has ran out. Just yet another farce and formality for the regime. The opposition will have their protest and marches, but they are under strict control by all sorts of services and Putin will not allow them to "win" anything. On the other hand the opposition serves a purpose for the Putins regime, because they can show on camera - it's not like Russia isn't democratic, look we have a democracy, not everyone backs Putin. Pretty much like monkey on a leash. Sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sub-Human 10 Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Too bad he is no more, to satisfaction of his main rival. On the other hand I don't believe in fair elections this country, because this this country isn't democratic at all, while free and fair elections are the domain of most cultured societies. Putin is using elections as yet another tool or leverage to show these fools who is the real boss. It has more to do with caricature of elections rather than real thing. I agree - elections are a major fraud by Putler and his gang. However! It cannot be ignored that Nemtsov had all the legal ground to become a presidential candidate. In fact, he could secure himself a seat in the Federal Duma by next year without making so much as a speech. This would mean - diplomatic immunity, federal funding, more political power, and most importantly, media exposure. As a member of parliament he would be allowed (without question) onto political debates. He would get access to documents where the police or the ministry can no longer say, 'we don't hand out this information'. And unless Russian government would create a law which applies to one citizen only - Boris Nemtsov - they would have only one other way of stopping him. (Speaking of which - after Nemtsov got a seat in the regional Duma, the Russian government did change the law. And thus Navalny and co. didn't 'qualify' for a seat in Moscow Duma). He probably wouldn't win the election. But what effect would this have on Russian people? Opposition member showing real troubles, amidst growing economic and social crisis? Before, during and after the 2012 elections there was lots of flak on Russian government, Putin did not have the same support. The people knew election was a fraud. Russian government even began co-operating with opposition for a short time. Putin decided to not take any chances. Edited March 6, 2015 by Sub-Human Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oxmox 73 Posted March 6, 2015 Nemtsov was the only opposition leader in the country able to participate in presidential elections. And considering his popularity within the region where he held a seat in the parliament, and large follower base on social networks - he would be, for the first time in Putin's reign, an actual political opponent. Was this politician really that popular in the years during elections, never heard of him before and in Russia there are many political parties ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orcinus 121 Posted March 7, 2015 BBC reports two men arrested by FSB for Nemtsov's murder: http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31778279 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) BBC reports two men arrested by FSB for Nemtsov's murder: http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31778279 What a masterplan! Wonder where it was born? In Lubyanka building, probably. An unbelievable story, almost these "gas workers" from FSB who appears in 1999 shortly before the Moscow apartments expositions. In the blink of an eye they nailed two guys from Caucasus guys linked with extremist contacts killing Nemstov to allegedly frame Putin for killing the opposition leader. What a dream scenario for president Putin! See... It wasn't Putin! Wasn't Ukrainian thugs who wanted to give Putin a bad name, wasn't the CIA either. Caucasian extremists did that, the known evil. Fantastic scenario. Edited March 7, 2015 by Sudayev Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted March 7, 2015 Footage from security cameras had provided "sufficiently clear" images of the suspects, he added. So, those cameras that supposedly were turned off.... sure...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted March 7, 2015 Almost like they knew about switched off cameras, not to mention gunning down a man drive-by style in high security zone hundred meters from Kremlin. Wonder who buys these stories anyways... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted March 7, 2015 I`m looking forward to hear what kind of reason the Kremlin will fabricte two guys from the Caucasus had to kill him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted March 7, 2015 Simple reason. We kill Nemtsov, the world blames Putin (almost like it was these pals only goal, weird) But... Mr Putin went a step ahead and played it his own way. Again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sub-Human 10 Posted March 7, 2015 This is the exact same scenario as with Politkovskaya. Chechen extremists. As it turned out, however, they were supplied information by the Anti-Terrorist organization, the FSB and the police of Moscow. The FSB has cooperated with Chechen terrorists on several occasions - 1999 apartment bombings, Nord-Ost. By the way - the excuse is that these two Chechens made advances towards the girlfriend, Boris told them to feck off, they followed him and killed him. Kremlin needs to make up more interesting stories! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted March 7, 2015 Was this politician really that popular in the years during elections, never heard of him before and in Russia there are many political parties ? After his resignment from the government everything he was able to get is the seat in city parliament of Yaroslavl, and was among major opposition chiefs along with Navalny, Yavlinsky, Kasyanov, Yashin etc. Mr. Navalny became much more popular as 'fighter with corruption' during recent years, pushing 'old guard' of opps back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted March 7, 2015 This is the exact same scenario as with Politkovskaya. Chechen extremists. As it turned out, however, they were supplied information by the Anti-Terrorist organization, the FSB and the police of Moscow. The FSB has cooperated with Chechen terrorists on several occasions - 1999 apartment bombings, Nord-Ost. By the way - the excuse is that these two Chechens made advances towards the girlfriend, Boris told them to feck off, they followed him and killed him. Kremlin needs to make up more interesting stories! Yeah, this whole story with Chechens is like from a cheap spy movie from Bollywood. Let's take a look at the " Chechen scenario". Goons instead of waiting for him in more secluded place, dark alley, staircase, behind the corner (whatever) they do a drive-by in high security zone spiked with cameras (hypothetically they didn't know these cameres were off). Doesn't make any sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sub-Human 10 Posted March 8, 2015 One of the suspects, Zaur Dadev, was part of MVD in Chechnya for a good 10 years. In 2010 he even received a medal for bravery. Now please tell me this man was acting independently... (Financial Times) Two men charged over Boris Nemtsov murder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
