For those that said

[Frisbee 0]

Accidents might be forgivable if it by pure chance.

Even if a faulty bomb rack would let loose mid-flight and kill ppl without the pilot firing,he(or ground personell) would be responsible bcause of negligence.

This clearly is negligence,confirm target then fire,not fire if you see some specks on the ground and you say 'yeehaa'.

They can't possibly been firing or anything either,canadians are smart enough to acknowledge the absence of enemy air forces.

But,of course,the more action you see the more likely it is that stuff like this'll happen.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

It is a bloody accident! It was not done on purpose! How if somebody gets killed by a cop who is shooting at a killer, and gets killed, should the cop get in trouble?!NO!

[Guest]

If you accidentally run over somebody with your car, you will be punished. That is why is we have a offence called "involuntary manslaughter". Simple as that.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 14 2002,00:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is a bloody accident! It was not done on purpose! How if somebody gets killed by a cop who is shooting at a killer, and gets killed, should the cop get in trouble?!NO!<span id='postcolor'>

Nevertheless of what you think should happen, the cop would get in trouble. It's law.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Im glad we are going to charge them. The fuckin flyboy was trigger happy, and he ended up killing friends. Also, his commander should have told him to hold off for confirmation. You cant afford to fuck around when you have live bombs on your wings. They should be punished to the fullest extent possible, then given dishonorable discharges.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Sep. 14 2002,00:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Im glad we are going to charge them. The fuckin flyboy was trigger happy, and he ended up killing friends. Also, his commander should have told him to hold off for confirmation. You cant afford to fuck around when you have live bombs on your wings. They should be punished to the fullest extent possible, then given dishonorable discharges.<span id='postcolor'>

Absolutely.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

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You forgot to add NOT.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Sep. 13 2002,22:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">4--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wardog @ Sep. 13 2002,224)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Shouldn't have explained it. It's like the loch Ness monster; not knowing for sure...<span id='postcolor'>

Lol I get enough of that at college, happening right now actually, I'm very close to throwing a keyboard in frustration - got a big program due at midnight tonight and it's not cooperating. When I find computer related things that defy explanation...I just gotta explain e'm <span id='postcolor'>

I know this is bordering on pointless spam, but I'm extatic, I've been sitting in front of a computer for 4+ hours straight, and I got it working!!! Jeesus Christ Linux blows goats when it comes to debugging C code!!!

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is a bloody accident! It was not done on purpose! How if somebody gets killed by a cop who is shooting at a killer, and gets killed, should the cop get in trouble?!NO!

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Duke, you aren't making any sense at all. That fighter pilot droped a bomb on a designated training area, how someone can mistake Carl Gustav fire for AAA when flying at 10,000+ feet is beyond me. Not only was he trigger happy, he ignored standard protocol.

I think you are mistaking the word 'accident' for the word 'negligence'.

Tyler

[Snake Plissken 0]

If somebody screws up, it's their duty to uphold our country's dignity (assuming that still exists) by suffering the consequences. To consider ourselves any better than terrorists, we'll have to practice what we preach.

[LBGS_Stewart 0]

if i reamber correctly there was a B-52 bomber that miss droped its pay load onto a US base during this Afgan war. my question is what ever happen to these guys? are they even being brought up on charges?

[Guest]

I believe that this is actually part of larger problem. W have a policy of zero casualty levels on both the civilian and military sides. So soldiers are not allowed take any chances while at the same time they're not allowed to make mistakes.

It is quite impossible to merge these two principles.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LBGS_Stewart @ Sep. 14 2002,02:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if i reamber correctly there was a B-52 bomber that miss droped its pay load onto a US base during this Afgan war.  my question is              what ever happen to these guys?    are they even being brought up on charges?<span id='postcolor'>

Actually, that was the fault of the guy targeting for the B-52.  GIGO.  Garbage in Garbage out.  The 5-52 dropped the muntions on target.  Sadly the guy with the GPS didnt reset the target waypoint in his GPS when he changed the batteries.

[LBGS_Stewart 0]

all comes down to the same thing if you think about it. neather did there job correctly so shouldnt the people of the B-52 be charged for the same thing.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

no... because they did their job correctly. The grunt on the ground who fucked up his GPS is the one who messed up. The BUFF crew had no idea that they were the wrong coords.

Ya see, the B52s are at high altitude, so they have zero chance of target identification. they rely solely on ground sources, and in that case, the ground sources made a mistake.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 14 2002,02:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe that this is actually part of larger problem.  W have a policy of zero casualty levels  on both the civilian and military sides. So soldiers are not allowed take any chances while at the same time they're not allowed to make mistakes.

It  is quite impossible to merge these two  principles.<span id='postcolor'>

i guess this is some sort of return for CNN-izing war.

when news of battle goes out to public, the public opinion is too easily swayed, so military heads have to work much harder...

[IceFire 0]

You people make is sound like the pilots dropped the bomb on the canadians maliciously and intentionally. Like they were just didn't care.

He even said that he did it in defence. It was purely an accident.

Plus, an article came out a few weeks ago that they were on special stay awake pills like speed that could affect their judgement. Not only that, but it is obligitory that they take them.

Ofcourse when that article came out, noone wanted to comment because you all knew that you were wrong and that it would weaken your argument.

Now again you are just trying to paint them as cocky "cowboys" as if you know them, or are expereinced jet pilots yourselves.

One can't know what it is like to fly a fighter jet. Or be under the affect of meds and stress while in a combat situation.

None of us do, and therefore have no right to judge.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I never said they should be charged with murder. However, flying a combat aircraft with deadly intent carries a certain amount of responsibility, and if you fuck up as royally as that guy did, I dont care if you are jacked up on a fuckin government sanctioned LSD trip, you have to bear the weight of your mistake. That simple.

[Die Alive 0]

"And if you screw up just this much, you'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong!"  

                                                                                                                              Hondo - Top Gun.

-=Die Alive=-

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 14 2002,01:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Absolutely.<span id='postcolor'>

You forgot to add NOT. <span id='postcolor'>

Your problem is you don't want to admit America is ever wrong. I am a conservative and patriotic, but my God, Britain makes mistakes and I'm willing to admit it.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

There is no country that stands that has not made the smallest of mistakes, and there is no army that has not done something wrong in its history, weither it be a FF accident that should have no happened, or execution of POW's etc.

And DOR, your comparison to police shooting inncoent is a little off. The incedent in my mind would apeear something like this if it hadf happened out on civi street.

A policeman/woman is standing outside a building. A man starts to appraoch the lawman/woman. At noticing the man is approaching, the policeman/women pulls out their weapon and shoots the approaching man dead. Why? They let their imagination run wild in which the man was going to lead onto them, wrestle them to the ground, and slit their throat with a knife. In reality, all the man wanted was directions, but the copper was gung ho.

If the pilot had been thinking straight and had know that they had were over a training area, and the commander had not let him drop his bombs, then it could have been everted. The pilot took matters into his own hands. If the pilot had followed apropriate steps, no dead Canadians.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 14 2002,14:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There is no country that stands that has not made the smallest of mistakes, and there is no army that has not done something wrong in its history, weither it be a FF accident that should have no happened, or execution of POW's etc.<span id='postcolor'>

Exactly denying it serves noone. The evolved strategy is to learn from the mistake.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 14 2002,14:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">execution of POW's etc.<span id='postcolor'>

ooooooohh yeah ..... and i know that france is really badly placed to give lessons .......

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 14 2002,13:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 14 2002,01:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Absolutely.<span id='postcolor'>

You forgot to add NOT. <span id='postcolor'>

Your problem is you don't want to admit America is ever wrong. I am a conservative and patriotic, but my God, Britain makes mistakes and I'm willing to admit it.<span id='postcolor'>

There's part of the problem, people are starting to see this as a Canada vs. USA problem, it really isn't! When news of the bombing first broke out, the local newspapers were flooded with letters of condolences from Americans. No one here tried to use the bombing as an excuse to pull out of Afghanistan, even though we later had to because our military has such pitiful resources. (Although I believe JTF2 is still active there if I'm not mistaken)The fact is, Canada and the US are united in this war, and two pilots fucked up resulting in the unecessary deaths of 4 soldiers - and let's not forget the 8 wounded, and I don't care which country they're from, they should be punished!

[IceFire 0]

No they shouln't.   It was an accident.  It wasn't like they were like, "Oh boy, lets go kill some Canadians".

The poor guys probably feel bad about the whole thing and are sorry.

I think they should just be discharged from the military for "medical reasons" so that it is not an "dishonorable discharge", or they should just get retrained so they don't make the mistake again.  

Which I doubt they will do.