9/11 thread

[billytran 0]

I was in second period when the planes hit, of course I had no clue that it happened. The moment the principal at my high school found out about it he disconnected the cable television and internet access (except for teachers), then sent out a message to all teachers that under no circumstances were they to talk about it. Incidentally, my principal's last name is Nutt, which is quite fitting. Luckily, the people in weight training were watching TV as it happened so the information slowly got out from them. I didn't hear about it until fourth period. My friend told me "Jeez, everybody in the hallways is talking about some planes hitting the World Trade Center." I thought it was some kind of joke, but then as class started my teacher announced that we were under attack. She thought it was bullshit to hide this huge news from us. I learned that the WTC towers were gone and that the Pentagon had been hit. My mind started racing... my uncle is a Captain in the Navy and he worked in the Pentagon. Through the rest of the day, my only source of information was from teachers who got it from the internet. The whole time, I was worried about my uncle. When I got home, I saw the footage on TV of the planes hitting and the towers collapsing and I just thought, "Oh shit this is bad." My mom told me that my uncle worked in the section that was hit, but that he had left the day before to inspect a submarine... so he was safe. For the next couple of hours and for the next week I was glued to the TV.

[Jester983 0]

9/11 was a horrible thing. I dont think anyone wants to go through it again.

I remeber this day one year ago as if it was yesterday. I was very sleepy that morning and I woke up around 6:45. I was just watching TV and thinking about going back to sleep when all of the sudden my dad came running into the room and jerked the remote out of my hand. I said "hey what was that for?" Then my dad turned to the news and I saw an image ill never forget. I watched in horror as I saw the WTC on fire. My dad told me a plane had hit it. Then me and my dad watched until we saw the second plane hit. I just thought oh my god whats going on? I couldnt belive it was terroists. It totally changed my life and the rest of the country. IMO I belive this incident brought America closer together than we have ever been before.

This is a saying ive come up with myself. So I hope you enjoy.

"Freedom. Its something that some countries dont have. Maybe thats why we were attacked. Because we have freedom. The Freedom to choose right and wrong. To live our way of life and the Freedom to speak our voice. When the WTC was attacked and people finally learned all the details and learned that there was going to be a war on terroism. America said in one voice:

We will not go quietly into the night without a fight! Were going to live on! We're going to survive! Today, we have shown no matter what happends we will pull through.

Well Im no poetic but thats just something I've come up with and I hope you all have enjoyed it.

I will certainly not forget 9/11. Nor will any of you. I salute our armed forces and allies fighting along side of each other to rid the world of terroism.

*salutes*

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In particular let's keep in mind Neal C. Roberts, a Navy SEAL who was knocked out of a Chinook in a hot LZ and captured by the Taliban fighters. He was thrown from the chopper as it took fire and his absence went unnoticed for a few minutes as they all checked themselves for injuries and battled to get the chopper out of harm's way. A Predator UAV near the LZ spotted him and witnessed his execution minutes later. He was shot in the head at close range by his captors, hands tied behind his back. <span id='postcolor'>

AFAIK, he was not tied, but enemied shot him from pretty much a point blank range.

denoir, doesn't it come to your mind that that woman could be lieing? she would have enjoyed, but after the braodcast, she would notice that Arafat's ppl would pressure her to say that it was a fabrication(thus many palestinians did not enjoy), or she lied that whoever took picture were paying her to do so to look western media look bad?

and if she was paid, i bet i would have seen it from other news sources about it too(not american, but others i keep an eye on). i know that PLO tried to suppress any other rejoicing in public and also regulated a lot of press from looking for stories.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Sep. 11 2002,23:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Peace and love to all who suffered on the day the world died.<span id='postcolor'>

The world has been dying for a long time. It just arrived late in America. I wonder how this new sense of vunerability will affect the American psyche long-term.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I would just like to add something that may be slightly inapropriate to post it today but still is worth mentioning.

On september 11th many fire fighters died during the attempt to save people from Tower 1 and 2. Noone could have assumed that tower 2 would collapse. But once this happened especially fire fighters should have been aware that the same thing could/would happen also to the other tower.

Heroes dont have to be dead, and many are because of badly prepared standards about how to treat burning skyskrapers. In Germany we dont really have skyscrapers but still we have a standardised method of how emergency workers have to behave in such a case.

Manhattan, a district with tons of skyscrapers should have been aware and trained for the such an incident. Tower 1 was ready to collapse and if the heads of the firedepartment would have reacted accordingly many lifes could have been saved. The comparison of how many people were saved by fire-fighters and how many of them actually died in the attempt is unequal. Noone should have ever allowed the fire fighters to stay near the building after tower 2 collapsed.

In all our sadness we especially should not forget of how many lifes could have been saved. Many of the fire fighters left their life because of bad-organisation. THIS HAS TO BE CHANGED in the future. Fire figthers are NOT Kamikazee workers! Their life too is worth saving!

[edc 0]

I think the firefighters were orderd to evacutate after the 1st tower fell. But a lot of them were high enough up that they hadn't gotten out by the time it collapsed.

[timmy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (billytran @ Sep. 11 2002,05:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was in second period when the planes hit, of course I had no clue that it happened. The moment the principal at my high school found out about it he disconnected the cable television and internet access (except for teachers), then sent out a message to all teachers that under no circumstances were they to talk about it. Incidentally, my principal's last name is Nutt, which is quite fitting. Luckily, the people in weight training were watching TV as it happened so the information slowly got out from them. I didn't hear about it until fourth period. My friend told me "Jeez, everybody in the hallways is talking about some planes hitting the World Trade Center." I thought it was some kind of joke, but then as class started my teacher announced that we were under attack. She thought it was bullshit to hide this huge news from us. I learned that the WTC towers were gone and that the Pentagon had been hit. My mind started racing... my uncle is a Captain in the Navy and he worked in the Pentagon. Through the rest of the day, my only source of information was from teachers who got it from the internet. The whole time, I was worried about my uncle. When I got home, I saw the footage on TV of the planes hitting and the towers collapsing and I just thought, "Oh shit this is bad." My mom told me that my uncle worked in the section that was hit, but that he had left the day before to inspect a submarine... so he was safe. For the next couple of hours and for the next week I was glued to the TV.<span id='postcolor'>

why? your not 1st graders, you can deal with it.

When it happend our principal came over the intercom, and asked the teachers to turn on the tvs. we watched for most of the day.

our whole school was just quiet that day, no one was really saying anything. today at our high school, we dedicated a newly built flag plazza memorial to the victims. We had the fire and police their, and we had a 21 guns sulute.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Of course you are correct, and it is definetly not the best day to discuss that, but all this anger and sadness should not make us forget our own mistakes. As you know it took quite a while after the first collapse untill the second did too... a lot of lifes were wasted. They dont have to be dead to be heroes!

[pathfinder 0]

Although im not a fan of country music this song sums it up for me and many other people. Courtesy of the Red, White & Blue

[ale2999 0]

sad day indeed. no critics to how they handled they situation. I dont think it is really easy to remain rational in those kind of occasions. Firefighters did what only the bravest soul would have: try to save others life

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I didnt want to question that!

[Warin 0]

The Christian Science Monitor has an interesting article on defining terrorism.

You can find it here.

You're either with us or against us... The Bush Doctrine

Oi.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Sep. 12 2002,04:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You're either with us or against us... The Bush Doctrine<span id='postcolor'>

or you're Saudi Arabian.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Manhattan, a district with tons of skyscrapers should have been aware and trained for the such an incident. Tower 1 was ready to collapse and if the heads of the firedepartment would have reacted accordingly many lifes could have been saved. <span id='postcolor'>

I was watching a special on the A and E channel. They were saying that the large cause of deaths was because the firefighter's radios did not work properly so they could not communicate the mayday messages to the firefighters who were still in the tower. Apparently, the radios were the same ones they used in 1993, no one bothered to change the system in the 8 years until 2001.

Tyler

[ralphwiggum 6]

and Motorola got raps for putting an ad with firefighters raising flag as background in its ad once.

firefighters said motorola failed too often.

[ale2999 0]

guys untill now I never had a clue what was like being there in the buildings when all happened. I just finished watching a special on ABC channel that documented the work of the from the 1st explosion to little time before the 2nd collapse. It was awefull. U could hear bodies of ppl impact the ground right out of the lobby, u could see the chaos in the North tower when the 2nd plane hit, u could see the mayhem when the 1st building collapsed (All this from the lobby of the north tower). THis is terrible.

[Aculaud 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Sep. 11 2002,19:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Christian Science Monitor has an interesting article on defining terrorism.

You can find it here.

You're either with us or against us... The Bush Doctrine

Oi.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, i was watching praise the lord yesterday, and this guy was saying something like... "Its such a hard question. If there is an omnipotent god in heaven, why would he let such a tragedy take place. Well.......................It would take several sermons to cover that, but the fact is....there is a DEVIL loose in the world doing these things. Getting in God's way". Or something to that extent.

Thats what i love about christianity. No proof. Just manmade excuses for gods apperant short comings.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Well know I cna post what i originaly posted(but was deleted)

Nothing can justify an attack on civilians, no matter what nationality they are, religion they follow, or the colour of their skin. I might of had slightly forgiven the terrorists if they had attacked a solely military target, but not even the Pentagon is solely military, civilians work there too. They directly attacked civilians with the intention to do so, so that is totlay evil and therefor the attacks connot be justified, even in the Americnas had gone and skinned Osam Bin Laddnes wife alive or something. I shall always remember these attacks, and the victims should not be forgoten, but they are not all heroes. Thye died, but they does not make someone a hero. There were many heros that day, but if you were sitting at your desk then a plane crashed into your flor and you were killed instantly, what heroic deed did you do?

On one last note, Bush made a mistake. He said, we shall not distinguish between terrorists and those who harbour them. What about terrorsits in America? Even if we do not regard them as terrorists, Im sure there would be people around the world and in America that would regard them as terrorists. What Bush really meant, is we shall strike upon any one I and my Administration do not like.

[iNeo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ Sep. 12 2002,07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">guys untill now I never had a clue what was like being there in the buildings when all happened. I just finished watching a special on ABC channel that documented the work of the from the 1st explosion to little time before the 2nd collapse. It was awefull. U could hear bodies of ppl impact the ground right out of the lobby, u could see the chaos in the North tower when the 2nd plane hit, u could see the mayhem when the 1st building collapsed (All this from the lobby of the north tower). THis is terrible.<span id='postcolor'>

Is that the documentary they showed almost world wide at the same time? I watched a documentary about a rookie firefighter, 2 french guys had been filming his everyday life for 2 months, and they filmed the WTC incident.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is that the documentary they showed almost world wide at the same time? I watched a documentary about a rookie firefighter, 2 french guys had been filming his everyday life for 2 months, and they filmed the WTC incident.

<span id='postcolor'>

Yep, you are both talking about the same documentary. I also watched it tonight for the first time, it aired originally on the 6 month aniversary. Pretty disturbing stuff. I remember the one firefighter talking about his experience on top of one of the hotels (the Mariot, I think) He said it was raining body parts down on him when the towers fell, arms, legs, feet, and the whole deal.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well know I cna post what i originaly posted(but was deleted)<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, and you should know why, Col. Kurtz. Save your political B.S. for other threads please.

Tyler

[pathfinder 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (iNeo @ Sep. 12 2002,07:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ Sep. 12 2002,07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">guys untill now I never had a clue what was like being there in the buildings when all happened. I just finished watching a special on ABC channel that documented the work of the from the 1st explosion to little time before the 2nd collapse. It was awefull. U could hear bodies of ppl impact the ground right out of the lobby, u could see the chaos in the North tower when the 2nd plane hit, u could see the mayhem when the 1st building collapsed (All this from the lobby of the north tower). THis is terrible.<span id='postcolor'>

Is that the documentary they showed almost world wide at the same time? I watched a documentary about a rookie firefighter, 2 french guys had been filming his everyday life for 2 months, and they filmed the WTC incident.<span id='postcolor'>

That's the one I saw also ,it was just called 9/11 . It was on CBS and they didn't censor a thing. The bodies hitting the roof was truly horrid. Those firemen are true Heroes. I could never have held it together like they did.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Yeah, they showed that on German TV too. The two french guys not knowing if the other was still alive. But thanks god german TV banns such things as people falling out of the WTC and hitting the roof. That is just too voyeur like.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (pathfinder @ Sep. 12 2002,09:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> It was on CBS and they didn't censor a thing.<span id='postcolor'>

It is actually quite interesting how media censors these things.

They never, NEVER showed any bodies or bodyparts on the WTC site. When they show pictures from Afghanistan or Somalia or whatever they show mutilated and dead bodies quite often.

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 11 2002,17:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (pathfinder @ Sep. 12 2002,090)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> It was on CBS and they didn't censor a thing.<span id='postcolor'>

It is actually quite interesting how media censors these things.

They never, NEVER showed any bodies or bodyparts on the WTC site. When they show pictures from Afghanistan or Somalia or whatever they show mutilated and dead bodies quite often.<span id='postcolor'>

Happens all the time, the amount of ppl killed in the WTC attacks is probable a lot less than the amount of ppl that die worldwide each day for nothing.

It's a sad thing, but for some reason it gets way too much media attention if you ask me. Things a lot worse happen each day and nobody gives a fuck about them.

Don't start flaming please!

[Aculaud 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Sep. 12 2002,07:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Things a lot worse happen each day and nobody gives a fuck about them.<span id='postcolor'>

Yup. Only in the good ol' US of A does it make headlines and is milked for all its worth by government controlled media for years to come.

Bush is saying "My fellow americans, i want you to remember something. Remember this day. Because it is this day........that will serve as our excuse to bomb the shit out of the middle east."