Hijacking attempt in sweden

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CNN Article

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">VASTERAS, Sweden -- Terrorist experts from Britain have flown to Sweden to help question a man suspected of trying to hijack a Ryanair plane bound for London.

A 29-year-old man of Tunisian origin is being held by Swedish police after he allegedly attempted to board the plane at Vasteras Airport 100 kilometres (60 miles) northwest of the capital, Stockholm, with a gun in his hand luggage.

The terrorist experts have been called in by Sweden's Sapo security police who are investigating the suspect's possible links with terrorist groups, a Sapo source told Reuters.

The man, who has not been named, was on his way from Stockholm to an Islamic conference in the British Midlands along with about 20 other people, Swedish police said.

Police say the handgun, hidden in a toiletry bag, was detected by a hand luggage X-ray machine.

Police are holding the suspect on a preliminary charge of planning to hijack a plane.

A hearing will be held in a few days to determine if the man, who was also suspected of illegal possession of a firearm, should be kept in custody while prosecutors determine if formal charges should be filed.

Some of the 189 passengers who had already boarded the Boeing 737-800 were asked to leave and the flight was delayed for a number of hours while bomb-sniffing dogs searched the aircraft.

Passenger Abla Mohamed Ali told Swedish news agency TT: "Suddenly police came and said we had to leave the plane. They pointed at us with guns.

"The police took everybody that looked Muslim and put them in a room and everyone who didn't look Muslim in another. They say we are witnesses, but we feel more like suspects."

Another passenger Elin Dermeborg, 27, told The Press Association: "Everyone was very calm, no one panicked or refused to get on the second flight."

Police spokesman Bjoern Svensson said the "highest security in connection with the action," had been implemented.

The group, which included two children, were questioned for several hours at police headquarters but were released and not suspected of any crime, Swedish police spokesman Ulf Palm added.

The suspect has Swedish citizenship and lives in Stockholm. He faces a secondary charge of illegal possession of a firearm.

A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain told PA: "It is a real issue for concern. We were surprised that a large group was first detained.

"It seems that the police may well have arrested everyone with a Muslim-sounding name at first. That's worrying, but we're glad they were released this morning.

"We must not assume that just because someone was of Muslim extraction he was planning to hijack a plane or that he was being motivated by his Islamic beliefs."

The plane, flight number FR685, finally left without the group at about midnight Thursday bound for Stansted airport after a new crew was flown in.

A spokeswoman for the low-budget Irish airline said: "Ryanair commends the prompt action and vigilance of the security staff at Stockholm Vasteras Airport and we are co-operating fully with the relevant Swedish authorities."

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Why is this interesting? Well, Västerĺs is my home town

Also these things never happen in Sweden, so the media here seems to be a bit excited.

[ran 0]

lol ........ you should have been in france in 1994 during the airfrance plane "incident"

[bogo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Police say the handgun, hidden in a toiletry bag, was detected by a hand luggage X-ray machine.

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If all the hijakers are using the same method then we don't have to fear anything.

[bn880 5]

Reading the whole story I doubt very much he was going to actually hijack hte plane. But who knows for sure right? burn him j/k

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bogo @ Aug. 29 2002,21:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Police say the handgun, hidden in a toiletry bag, was detected by a hand luggage X-ray machine.

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If all the hijakers are using the same method then we don't have to fear anything.  <span id='postcolor'>

Personally i don't understand how dumb a man can be, does he know that they check your luggage?

[Badgerboy 0]

You'd be surprised how sloppy airport security is.

Some journalists smuggled a fake gun, and a phony bomb onto an aircraft not too long ago.

[bn880 5]

Well there is always a chance your weapon will not be spotted. But putting it in a bag like that is asking for it.

[DarkLight 0]

Yep that's what i thought too

[Rob 1]

Shows you how dumb those faggots are. Yeah im sure they wont notice my gun through the x-ray machine, its only made out of metal

[second_draw 0]

If i were the security guard... I would then promtly escort the f-cker to his holding cell where he slipped....repeatedly if you know what i mean. . Then again, maybe that's why i'm not a security guard.

[Warin 0]

But if it was a glock, arent they invisible because they are a polymer?? So cant i sneak a glock through?

[ralphwiggum 6]

yeah right hijackers....

but in serious notes, who knows. he could have used it empty but scare the passengers anyway.

and so much for Swedish gun control law

when i read the thread title, i thought denoir hijacked a Finnish airliner.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 31 2002,02:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But if it was a glock, arent they invisible because they are a polymer??  So cant i sneak a glock through?  <span id='postcolor'>

You would be very disappointed in the security check when you realize that your Glock's slide, barrel and ammo casing are all metal

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 31 2002,05:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 31 2002,02:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But if it was a glock, arent they invisible because they are a polymer??  So cant i sneak a glock through?  <span id='postcolor'>

You would be very disappointed in the security check when you realize that your Glock's slide, barrel and ammo casing are all metal <span id='postcolor'>

Damn you Denoir!!!

I know that. I was trying to bait someone into launching into a diatribe I've had to patiently explain to a few people that you cant make a gun without metal in places that guarantee it will look like a gun on an X Ray machine. Come to think of it, how does a P99 show up on X-Ray? Is it more or less polymer than a Glock?

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 31 2002,05:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Damn you Denoir!!!

I know that.  I was trying to bait someone into launching into a diatribe  I've had to patiently explain to a few people that you cant make a gun without metal in places that guarantee it will look like a gun on an X Ray machine.  Come to think of it, how does a P99 show up on X-Ray? Is it more or less polymer than a Glock?<span id='postcolor'>

we would have known if he was brave enough to hijack a Finnish airliner.

[bn880 5]

Let's not turn this into a gun concealement thread. And yes there is lotsa discussion possible there.

If we do then let's make it scary so the american FBI get's all touchy and scared.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 31 2002,05:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I had to patiently explain to a few people that you cant make a gun without metal in places that guarantee it will look like a gun on an X Ray machine.  <span id='postcolor'>

Gun? No Sir, officer Sir! It's my hair dryer, I promise

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Come to think of it, how does a P99 show up on X-Ray? Is it more or less polymer than a Glock?<span id='postcolor'>

The same deal. Polymer frame, metal slide and barrel.

[ZizleyBEar 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">he could have used it empty but scare the passengers anyway<span id='postcolor'>

* The gun was loaded whit 4 or 5 bullets

* He was in a flight school in USA just before 9/11

The dude is crazy! He was a actor in a "action" movie called "Nine Millimetre" (though i think he was in it like 10 sec) btw that movie SUCKS

[iNeo 0]

His friends say that he most likely didn't plan to hijack the plane, that he probably forgot that he had a gun in his bag, and that he's against bin Ladin as he doesn't like killing innocents in suicide attacks.

[Guest]

"Swedish intelligence sources" are now saying that he planned to crash the plane into a US embassy in Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if it was SÄPO (Swedish (civil) intelligence agency) claiming that and if they do, one should be sceptical - they are morons.  I think I'll call some old buddies at MUST (military intelligence) and hear their take on this - its not unlikely that they disagree and they are way more competent.

Reuters article:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - A Swedish man of Tunisian origin, arrested on suspicion he was about to hijack a plane, was planning to crash the aircraft into a U.S. embassy in Europe, Swedish intelligence sources said on Saturday.

Police are looking for four more men, including an explosives expert, who worked with him on the plan, the sources said.

"We know for sure that the plan was to crash the plane into a U.S. embassy in Europe," a military intelligence source told Reuters.

The man, 29, was arrested on Thursday -- almost a year after the September 11 hijack attacks on the United States -- after authorities said a gun was found in his luggage as he boarded a Ryanair flight to Britain in Vasteras, a small airport 100 km (60 miles) west of Stockholm.

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[Sadico 1]

From CNN.com

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">VASTERAS, Sweden -- A man arrested on suspicion he was about to hijack a plane in Sweden was planning to crash it into a U.S. embassy in Europe, sources have told Reuters news agency.

The man of Tunisian origin was arrested on Thursday -- days before the anniversary of the September 11 hijack attacks on the United States -- after authorities said a gun was found in his luggage as he boarded a Ryanair flight to Britain in Vasteras, an airport 100 km (60 miles) west of Stockholm.

"We know for sure that the plan was to crash the plane into a U.S. embassy in Europe," a military intelligence source told Reuters.

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[Guest]

Welcome to the real world of information flow.

I just talked to my former CO at MUST. The situation is like this: Sombody told Reuters that the plan was to crash the plane into a US embassy. Reuters claims that it was SÄPO who gave that information to them. SÄPO denies giving any such information as says that it is completely bogus. MUST hasn't recieved any information from SÄPO. This leaves two possible situations:

[*] Sombody pulled Reuters leg and there is no truth in the story.

[*] Somebody in SÄPO leaked information on an onging investigation and SÄPO has kept MUST out of the loop.

Both situations are possible since media is highly unreliable and SÄPO is highly incompetent....

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 31 2002,16:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[*] Sombody pulled Reuters leg and there is no truth in the story.

[*] Somebody in SÄPO leaked information on an onging investigation and SÄPO has kept MUST out of the loop.<span id='postcolor'>

i vote on first one

[Guest]

Well, it made the CNN frontpage. As usual these rumors are hard to kill.

CNN says in the article that:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Margareta Linderoth, the director of the Swedish national security police, SAPO, said authorities are investigating possible links to terrorist groups but it was too early in the investigation to discuss possible motives.

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There are two things worthy of pointing out:

[*] Margareta Linderoth is not the director of SÄPO, but of the counter-terrorism department.

[*] She said very clearly: these accusations (on attacking the embassy) are completely bogus; we don't know of any motives yet

Now, it should be added that the US has silently started mentioning Al-Queda in all of this. This leaves a third possibility open:

[*] The US wants to get their hands on the suspect -(better safe then sorry method) - so they leak indirectly information of a terrorist plot. This would be intended as lubrication of the Swedish people so they don't complain if USA manages to get the Swedish government to extradite the suspect.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 01 2002,16:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now, it should be added that the US has silently started mentioning Al-Queda in all of this. This leaves a third possibility open:

[*] The US wants to get their hands on the suspect -(better safe then sorry method) - so they leak indirectly information of a terrorist plot. This would be intended as lubrication of the Swedish people so they don't complain if USA manages to get the Swedish government to extradite the suspect.<span id='postcolor'>

This sort of US bashing is getting just as silly as the inaccuracies in reporting.