Users are falling down badly?

[ric 1]

So, now we know that you think A3 (which doesn't yet exist) sucks and will never be fixed. Why stay? Because you love the attention. This is the definition of "trolling". Good bye.

if he is a troll what are you?...a BIS minion! I am not defending walker but what he is saying about the performances issues are sadly true...and before you starting throwing the alpha excuse in realize this...its NOT really an Alpha...its ama 2+ that why everything is so easy to port over and the ME looks the same and it still using game spy...

it is the number one issue on the bug tracker and the reason alot of people have stopped playing...because they cant. the very worst part about this whole mess is that it is not new....they new about it 4 years ago and CHOSE to do nothing about it...which really makes no logical sense, your going to take your game and ask it to do more with out adding new horsepower....

if BIS could get just %10 of the BF3 market that would make them about...50 million?....there is really no excuse for what is happening right now.

[WalkerDown 1]

Private companies don't typically divulge their core strategies to the general public.

Fixing tremendous bugs and having users actually playing your game is now... a "strategy"? :O

there is no game to leave.

ArmA3 isn't a game? :O

PS: this "troll" (as you're calling me) is actually running FOUR A3 servers (plus another two A2 servers), while one is currently the top most used A3 server (unfortunately it's wasteland.. I recognize), using his own money, so stop pretending to know who is who.. and why I am (we are) criticizing certain company "strategy".

Edited April 20, 2013 by WalkerDown

[Sneakson 1]

if he is a troll what are you?...a BIS minion! I am not defending walker but what he is saying about the performances issues are sadly true...and before you starting throwing the alpha excuse in realize this...its NOT really an Alpha...its ama 2+ that why everything is so easy to port over and the ME looks the same and it still using game spy...

it is the number one issue on the bug tracker and the reason alot of people have stopped playing...because they cant. the very worst part about this whole mess is that it is not new....they new about it 4 years ago and CHOSE to do nothing about it...which really makes no logical sense, your going to take your game and ask it to do more with out adding new horsepower....

if BIS could get just %10 of the BF3 market that would make them about...50 million?....there is really no excuse for what is happening right now.

You wanna leave? Get the fuck out. *shrug*

[fabio_chavez 103]

the game is perfectly playable and performance issues are often either only server sided or due to userfail.

and whoever is blaming a company for encourageing 0day modding (and modding in general), selling a fullgame for 25,- as earlyaccess/pre purchase/alpha and beta access (where other companys charge MORE than theregular price)

is a complete tool and should vanish from the internet forever.

[antoineflemming 14]

the game is perfectly playable and performance issues are often either only server sided or due to userfail.

and whoever is blaming a company for encourageing 0day modding (and modding in general), selling a fullgame for 25,- as earlyaccess/pre purchase/alpha and beta access (where other companys charge MORE than theregular price)

is a complete tool and should vanish from the internet forever.

The game is perfectly playable for you. It's a known fact that the game (and Arma 2) run better on older computers than it does on latest hardware. To say that all issues are because of "userfail" is a really simple-minded statement. Wasteland servers are not the reason for performance issues. I don't even play Wasteland and I have performance issues. Seriously, get over yourself and your "it runs fine for me" crap. Everyone knows that the game runs great for some people and not so great for others. That adds nothing to this discussion and it adds nothing to any performance discussion.

[ric 1]

the game is perfectly playable and performance issues are often either only server sided or due to userfail.

and whoever is blaming a company for encourageing 0day modding (and modding in general), selling a fullgame for 25,- as earlyaccess/pre purchase/alpha and beta access (where other companys charge MORE than theregular price)

is a complete tool and should vanish from the internet forever.

oh cmon...are you in denial??? it is the number one issue on the BUG TRACKER!! and the second most commented on thread in the A3 forums...and if you think this is all about "user fail" than why don't you right a HOW-TO that explains why the guy with the 3570k and 690 is the getting the same FPS as the player with the dual core and 560.

[afp 1]

if he is a troll what are you?...a BIS minion! I am not defending walker but what he is saying about the performances issues are sadly true...and before you starting throwing the alpha excuse in realize this...its NOT really an Alpha...its ama 2+ that why everything is so easy to port over and the ME looks the same and it still using game spy...

it is the number one issue on the bug tracker and the reason alot of people have stopped playing...because they cant. the very worst part about this whole mess is that it is not new....they new about it 4 years ago and CHOSE to do nothing about it...which really makes no logical sense, your going to take your game and ask it to do more with out adding new horsepower....

if BIS could get just %10 of the BF3 market that would make them about...50 million?....there is really no excuse for what is happening right now.

Somehow I partially agree, I think they are losing the rest of 90% of the gamers who are not interested in making things work but only jump in and play a fast shooter. Something smooth, optimized, easy to install and play. They have the game, the graphics, the surroundings but there is very little done to polish it and improve the gameplay. Too few changes in this direction and it appears, like you said, that only the textures and animations are changed every 4 years.... I remember I first uninstalled ArmA 6 years ago after 5 minutes just because of this first impression....I came back after 2 years more by accident, to discover the game at its real potential.

The biggest gamers pool is in multiplayer, not in editing... unfortunatelly. But multiplayer is laggy, system requirements are high, the movement is still clunky. There are other downsides too. They struggle to make a better game for editors and less for MP gamers, which is not bad, just not gonna bring more money. After 12 years, the servers list still doesn't have "favorites". Even so, Dayz had an unexpected number of users. There are still many more outside waiting to play smooth multiplayer games....

Edited April 20, 2013 by afp

[Avean 1]

Its very limited content and the co-op gets old very quickly due to the very poor AI system. It really feels too scripted. Co-op in a such big enviroment should be a lot of fun but it isnt. It manages to get repetive and extremely lineary. Im not sure if they will fix that since in every Arma game the AI has been very much scripted and behaved really basic.

Thats what the Arma multiplayer has focused on also, players versus AI which have never been THAT popular. What made Arma famous is the modes that introduced player interactivity, player versus player. DayZ and Wasteland.

[pazitrek 10]

I'm not sure if players are actually falling off ....(game window says 3750 in game right now @ 5:55 pm Atlantic, April 20) but I'm finding the experience to be somewhat disappointing as it seems there is no shortage of Wasteland hackers being major A-holes.

I've only played a total of 24 hrs in 8 visits. But in those 8 visits to Wasteland. in at least 4 of the visits, players (more experienced than myself) ended up texting and shouting profanities at hackers. Also on one occasion I encountered a strange occurrence ..... immediately and concurrent with my first "random" spawn....My cursor turner red and a "script menu" appeared and was available to use via my mouse wheel. At least one other player encountered the same anomaly and upon discovery alerted the rest of the players. To his dismay the other players started calling him a hacker (which I doubt he was....as he was claiming it just was there after his initial spawn.....same as me). I must admit I know absolutely nothing about hacking and if anything can be done to stop it ...but I do think that if this continues then the community eventually shrinks.

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Well said !

Edited April 20, 2013 by pazitrek

[ric 1]

Its very limited content and the co-op gets old very quickly due to the very poor AI system. It really feels too scripted. Co-op in a such big enviroment should be a lot of fun but it isnt. It manages to get repetive and extremely lineary. Im not sure if they will fix that since in every Arma game the AI has been very much scripted and behaved really basic.

Thats what the Arma multiplayer has focused on also, players versus AI which have never been THAT popular. What made Arma famous is the modes that introduced player interactivity, player versus player. DayZ and Wasteland.

I spent years making CO-OPs for a game called IL2, and i can tell that like anything in life there are some true artists when comes to making campaigns and CO-OPs, and scripting is where someones real talent can shine. some one who knows how to balance environment, objectives and player v AI v player along with all the possibilities that scripting allows can generate a mission that has non stop action is challanging and most of all fun.

the possibilities are here but if the performance issues are not fixed it will be for naught.

[PuFu 4600]

servers rant

By now you should be already aware that BI doesn't host any servers. All are community provided. You don't like how those are run, bitch about it to their owners, or better yet, start paying for your own one.

To give you an example, you cannot have a saying in how i am dealing with my own server for which i pay a monthly fee and provide it for free for everyone else...got it? So take it elsewhere.

if BIS could get just %10 of the BF3 market that would make them about...50 million?....there is really no excuse for what is happening right now.

I doubt bis is aiming for BF3 market anyways.

While there are performance issues with the current alpha, i doubt they can do something about it that quickly (less than 2 months since alpha was released). That said, i know for one it is frustrating for everyone (including myself) who has performance issues on a machine that is clearly under-utilized. pity indeed, i still have some (blind) faith.

ArmA3 isn't a game? :O

That is still in alpha phase, hence in some way, unreleased. While i understand your concerns about anti-cheating (although BE will not be implemented until version 1.0 is out the door) and performance, your repeated "content" requests are just absurd in this stage of the development.

Your previous posts clearly shows your very little knowledge about game design and how such a business is dealt with.

another performance rant

Unfortunately A3 doesn't scale as it should. And given the fact that you are gaming on a (average) laptop doesn't help all that much either.

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I will only talk about myself: i will never judge a book by its cover, and neither i will judge a game by a development version. All one can do is bring attention towards issues, bugs and hickups. But this very thread is so far from that...It is basically about having BE available NOW (not gonna happen and there is already such a thread open), as well as the declining MP userbase due to (according to the OP), lack of content (which again is expected at this stage, and it is clearly pointed out on the alpha page).

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lol, neither DayZ nor Wasteland were what made(makes) ArmA franchise special. If you were to say CTI, maybe i would have taken you more serious (that and your registration date).

[WalkerDown 1]

I'll assume you've never owned or run a business of any kind.

Your assumption is wrong (like your other opinions after all). :D

Regardless, the development roadmap is a strategy, yes.

Fixing bugs (with public bug-tracker) is something to "hide"? You're secretly adjusting the game without telling us as "business strategy"? Oh my...

It will be when it's released in several months. Right now, we only have an alpha build to mess around with.

So, in your opinion a game in alpha is not a game? :O

Personally, I would never rent a server for an alpha build.

This IS exactly the moment to let everyone know what's wrong, or there won't be time to fix it (release time).

The game is heavily bugged, and on the performance side there's so much to do with a very little time to release (assuming they are aiming for a 2013 release), what are you waiting? A miracle?

[gossamersolid 155]

lol, neither DayZ nor Wasteland were what made(makes) ArmA franchise special. If you were to say CTI, maybe i would have taken you more serious (that and your registration date).

I laughed at this as well. This guy wasn't around when Evolution, Domination and Warfare were the most played missions (all PvAI btw).

[OrLoK 20]

Hello there

have we not gone a little off topic? (from original post, a bit derailed imho)

Rgds

LoK

[Hillsbills 1]

How is being a wanna be mod on topic?

[byrgesen 1]

Might aswell give up explaining anything at this point.

Theres 10 pages with a ton of different, and good, opinions, but OP has his own and from the looks of it we cant do anything to change it.

So theres no point in discussing this further, none of what has been written has "sunk in", as far as the OP goes, and most likely never will.

You will just have to wait and see whats gonna happen, nothing else to do atm, since we all know BI doesnt care about demanding impatient "kids" like this tbh.

I still have full confidence in BI and im 100% sure they will make a great game. Im just thankful its not a game for everybody, but some people havent figured it out yet.

[Dwarden 1126]

this thread http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?145039-The-ultimate-thread-about-Arma-3-anti-cheat-discussion&highlight=battleye

was closed for same reason ...