Regarding Facebook...I mean Feedback

[reclusive7 10]

Feedback - Information about reactions to a product, a person's performance of a task, etc., used as a basis for improvement.

Feedback is not Facebook, the "Notes" section of Issues presented during FEEDBACK(see definition above) is not a place to add "comments" as though you mistakenly thought you were on someones facebook page, this is a place for notes relevant to the issue(s) in question(eg: "I can confirm ______'s textures are not rendering", "A work-around for this issue is _______, however this is a bug that needs fixing")<--pretty simple right?!

Plain and simple version: Don't agree with feedback given? Then Vote Down on the issue. Don't waste your time or anyone's time for that matter, on pointless comments that are laced with insults, personal opinions about someone on the internet you don't agree with, or repeat something that's been said over and over again, use the FILTER, the FILTER is your friend.

Here's a perfect example: http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=1658 of how someone with legitimate feedback expressed their own personal feedback on ArmAIII, which is now filled with ignorant BS from this "community" of "human beings". §1) No Flaming/Flame-baiting/bigotry <- forum rule, is this not applicable here or via Feedback Tracker?

On a side note, we're all supporting the continued development of ArmA III in some way shape or form, be it, personal experience with A3 and giving feedback on that experience or experiences, $fundage$ to BIS, or simply trying to break the game and find everything wrong with it that you can- in order to help buff all the bugs out by the final build. All feedback is equal from user to user, it's BIS's call whether feedback is taken or bound for the trash can in the end.

Edited March 22, 2013 by RECLUSIVE7

[viper0317 10]

I couldn't agree more I've been seeing a lot more criticism for the sake of criticism than I do constructive criticism. And if you don't know the difference between the two you probably aren't mature enough to be supplying feedback to the development of a game of this caliber.

[nodunit 397]

Agreed, many of the suggestions are so blatantly there yet nobody even bothers to check, some even on the same page! Funny thing is I had a feeling your reference was going to be the female soldiers ticket, and its the same thing there that is here.

[Yairweinberg 1]

That "OMG" in the example... That is what killed it for me...

[metalcraze 290]

I still wonder why that stupid ticket filled with 16 years olds used as an example isn't closed yet. The amusement value - if any - of it is long gone.

[reclusive7 10]

Agreed, many of the suggestions are so blatantly there yet nobody even bothers to check, some even on the same page! Funny thing is I had a feeling your reference was going to be the female soldiers ticket, and its the same thing there that is here.

There are plenty more examples @ Feedback Tracker, but that one in particular is wrank with horse#&*$ spewing from ignorant internet tough guys, and overzealous fanboi's.

There needs to be a way to report issues/feedback/notes, with the feedback example given there are over 600 notes in there, nobody NEEDED to say most of what's been said in there, VOTE DOWN VOTE UP simple.

Instead we have a publicly available area full of this garbage that any gaming journalist can stumble upon and portray this "community" as being bigoted and exclusive to the male gamer, yeah that's some good press to help BIS out...good job. Hell imagine if there were no black avatars to choose from and someone suggested that textures/faces/models/characters be added, and the same type of reaction occurred.

Edited March 22, 2013 by RECLUSIVE7

[metalcraze 290]

Now I get it. You didn't like facebook there so you made this thread to bring your facebook here.

[OminousZ 10]

There are plenty more examples @ Feedback Tracker, but that one in particular is wrank with horse#&*$ spewing from ignorant internet tough guys, and overzealous fanboi's.

There needs to be a way to report issues/feedback/notes, with the feedback example given there are over 600 notes in there, nobody NEEDED to say most of what's been said in there, VOTE DOWN VOTE UP simple.

Instead we have a publicly available area full of this garbage that any gaming journalist can stumble upon and portray this "community" as being bigoted and exclusive to the male gamer, yeah that's some good press to help BIS out...good job. Hell imagine if there were no black avatars to choose from and someone suggested that textures/faces/models/characters be added, and the same type of reaction occurred.

Well said my brother

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Now I get it. You didn't like facebook there so you made this thread to bring your facebook here.

Read the post again...people have to be constructive not condescending with their feedback. We all love this game and want it to succeed, but you'll always get immature people on here that belittle one another and offer nothing for the greater good of the community and development process.

[reclusive7 10]

Now I get it. You didn't like facebook there so you made this thread to bring your facebook here.

And you got to that conclusion how exactly? Idk what you're trying to say it's not making sense. I dont like facebook at all tbh.

[scrim 1]

Writes thread complaining about "facebooking" in feedback tracker. Only complains about the "facebooking" he doesn't agree with, uses thread to spew more insults over people who disagree with his naive (e.g. his signature "a female sniper in WW2 killed more guys than a male sniper in Vietnam = Women should be allowed in combat jobs, because real war is CoD") assumptions. Classy.

Really, the only thing you're complaining about here are the "sexist, bigoted" people.

+1 for metalcraze, you're just a hipocrite.

[OminousZ 10]

Writes thread complaining about "facebooking" in feedback tracker. Only complains about the "facebooking" he doesn't agree with, uses thread to spew more insults over people who disagree with his naive (e.g. his signature "a female sniper in WW2 killed more guys than a male sniper in Vietnam = Women should be allowed in combat jobs, because real war is CoD") assumptions. Classy.

Really, the only thing you're complaining about here are the "sexist, bigoted" people.

+1 for metalcraze, you're just a hipocrite.

And how does this post offer any suggestions or constructive criticism to the development of the game or respecting each other? Read the post again...and "because real is CoD" uh??

[reclusive7 10]

Writes thread complaining about "facebooking" in feedback tracker. Only complains about the "facebooking" he doesn't agree with, uses thread to spew more insults over people who disagree with his naive (e.g. his signature "a female sniper in WW2 killed more guys than a male sniper in Vietnam = Women should be allowed in combat jobs, because real war is CoD") assumptions. Classy.

Really, the only thing you're complaining about here are the "sexist, bigoted" people.

+1 for metalcraze, you're just a hipocrite.

That sig is there because I keep seeing people pull random statistics out of thin air on reasons why no female on earth should even be considered to serve in combat in real actual life.

Plain and simple the US is just now lifting the ban from back in '94 regarding women in combat roles(infantry, SOCOM), there are plenty of nations allowing and making use of women in combat roles, read up on how many women have served in combat and their accomplishments in their military careers, and those patriots who've fought and died for their country. And even with all that, people flip out over the mere suggestion that there be female models/mocap/audio/textures/etc as a vanilla feature in A3.

I overlook plenty of nonsense, especially on the good ole BIS forums, I've avoided this place like the plague until I had to create a forum account here, why? Take a look at this "community" and all the "wonderful" members it has, that's why. There are better outlets for information regarding Arma than BIS forums, and there are plenty of reasons for that as well.

IDK if it's all the animosity DayZ users have garnered, the hate for new people joining the ranks of Arma, or what the issue is, but this community hardly fosters a welcoming feeling, to anyone without thousands of posts with a long standing "Join Date"(who gives a @#$%, really), people dont like change and it shows. A lot of people here would fit in PERFECTLY at the BF3 forums @ EA lol, and that's nothing to be proud of.

[Make Love Not War 10]

I still wonder why that stupid ticket filled with 16 years olds used as an example isn't closed yet. The amusement value - if any - of it is long gone.

Because if it was closed, some idiot would just open a new one. Consider it a containment thread. Although I shouldn't be surprised, it never ceases to amaze me how these kinds of "social issue" topics get 100x more attention than, say, game breaking bugs. Speaking of which, did you know we can throw grenades through solid walls in A3? If not, check out http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=3171 and you too can become a Jedi Mind Warrior! But I digress. In any case, my theory regarding "those tickets" is that it's far easier for a given person to pull some half-cocked opinion out of their ass than to do actual work such as properly reproducing and reporting a bug, or veryfing someone else's bug or even writing out an intelligent, logical suggestion regarding someone's feature request.

[gammadust 12]

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IDK if it's all the animosity DayZ users have garnered, the hate for new people joining the ranks of Arma, or what the issue is, but this community hardly fosters a welcoming feeling, to anyone without thousands of posts with a long standing "Join Date"(who gives a @#$%, really), people dont like change and it shows. A lot of people here would fit in PERFECTLY at the BF3 forums @ EA lol, and that's nothing to be proud of.

I had this exact apparent "unwelcome" feel when i went through military inspection. You can fart around all day with your fellas, just don't fart at the higher ups face, they must keep the authorithy looks even if they're amused inside. Discipline must be enforced. It is not one-to-one comparison here nor there exacly exists the necessity for it, but one must see that the community grew in great part with current/former service man used to this form of relationship. Mainstream gamers generally come in at a "less mature"/"rebelious" stance, hence the friction. The community evolves, some point of balance will be reached.

I agree with the op though, that indeed there is a lot of useless noise the feedback tracker. It is indeed up to BI to improve it in order to save them their current filtering time.

[scrim 1]

That sig is there because I keep seeing people pull random statistics out of thin air on reasons why no female on earth should even be considered to serve in combat in real actual life.

Yeah, that's you pulling a random, extremelly irrelevant statistic on why women should be allowed. Science such as "yeah, women simply don't have a strong enough skeleton, and just around half the muscle mass" isn't "random statistics out of thin air".

Besides, instead of making some thread about how "everyone who disagrees with me is a sexist who shouldn't be allowed to post on feedback tracker", why don't you just take this to the "should Arma 3 have female soldiers?" or whatever the thread is called.

[reclusive7 10]

Yeah, that's you pulling a random, extremelly irrelevant statistic on why women should be allowed. Science such as "yeah, women simply don't have a strong enough skeleton, and just around half the muscle mass" isn't "random statistics out of thin air".

Besides, instead of making some thread about how "everyone who disagrees with me is a sexist who shouldn't be allowed to post on feedback tracker", why don't you just take this to the "should Arma 3 have female soldiers?" or whatever the thread is called.

If someone regardless of gender meets all reqs of an MOS, and completes their training regardless of combat/support role, then they have earned their place to thrive in their career and job classification, you speak as though being a female is a handicap or disability, I've served alongside females both enlisted and officer, and the bottom line is they're soldiers, doesnt matter what's between their legs, what matters is that they are willing to serve their country in whatever capacity they are allowed. Females have been serving as MP's since before the ban was lifted on women serving in combat roles in US Armed Forces(we're a little late in comparison to other nations, seems to be a trend), you think MP's didnt see or fight in combat?

^Is not the point of this thread, but I'm responding to the debate(s) from the example given as it's something I feel needs to be looked at.

It's funny that this is a game/milsim, ok you with me so far? It's a GAME, not real, mkay? And this is a work of fiction set in 2035, I've heard the excuse of "creative license" and "it's the future" for the content we've been presented with thus far.

But when someone brings up the idea of female character models in a GAME, that is FICTION people get all ticked off and their worst side comes out, someone even brought up female pilot models because ffs females have been flying combat missions for awhile now, and even then people flip out "Oh no something could change I dont like it, RAWR!", so someone can only come to some conclusion that if people make excuses for content that is there already and rationalize it being ok, but arent open to female models/characters at all, that it's not about realism, or creative license, or "the future" it's about something else entirely.

BTW

You skipped over the rest of the OP, read into what you wanted to read into, and reacted the way you reacted, you've not taken into account that this is about how people are using/abusing feedback tracker, treating it like facebook comments instead of bug/feedback reporting and responding to issues as "I'm on system setup X, and I'm having issues with this as well" VOTE UP or VOTE DOWN, instead it's "Ur a noob VOTE DOWN" "My rig with manufacturer X works just fine, your rig is junk VOTE DOWN" "I'm insecure and girls are dumb hurr durr" "poor fps???? what game r u playing, its smooth as silk for me playing all maxed out nah mean playa VOTE DOWN", like really dude did you not read what was originally written? The example given was because it proved the point, shall I pick a handful of feedback issues with the same crap going on in them, you dont have to look far.

Anyways I'm done w/ this thread, requested that it's locked because this isn't constructive, and people are wanting to debate the example issues topic rather that the problem with how the issues are handled.

[viper0317 10]

Yeah, that's you pulling a random, extremelly irrelevant statistic on why women should be allowed. Science such as "yeah, women simply don't have a strong enough skeleton, and just around half the muscle mass" isn't "random statistics out of thin air".

Besides, instead of making some thread about how "everyone who disagrees with me is a sexist who shouldn't be allowed to post on feedback tracker", why don't you just take this to the "should Arma 3 have female soldiers?" or whatever the thread is called.

No, It isn't, If you actually read what he is saying, he is paraphrasing the existing information present in the feedback ticket, not presenting his own opinion. This isn't a thread about

how "everyone who disagrees with me is a sexist who shouldn't be allowed to post on feedback tracker", why don't you just take this to the "should Arma 3 have female soldiers?" or whatever

it is a thread bringing the issue of a lack of constructive criticism over a growing amount of argumentative, non-constructive criticism that is not related to, or productive in enhancing the development of the game... Thank you for providing an excellent example within your posts as to the crowd the OP is referring to.

[Guest]

Closed as requested by the topic starter.

[max power 21]

Here's a perfect example: http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=1658 of how someone with legitimate feedback expressed their own personal feedback on ArmAIII, which is now filled with ignorant BS from this "community" of "human beings". §1) No Flaming/Flame-baiting/bigotry <- forum rule, is this not applicable here or via Feedback Tracker?

The tracker is not moderated by the same people as the forums, and I am not sure what rules apply there. I can imagine that, like here, they can't catch everything and I am not even aware of a report function in the tracker. I guess you are reporting it here to get some eyes on your complaint but I think it would perhaps be more effective to contact Dwarden directly about your concerns.