BREAKING NEWS! The Octopus realy does exist and it really is run by Goldman Sachs.

[walker 0]

I don't really see the problem with a private intelligence firm. I prefer it over a government-run intelligence firm, to be honest.

Hi all

In reply to ST_DUX.

You mean like this one that held its Intel emails, clients credit card details, addresses and documents in clear on hackable servers connected directly to the internet. Gave its staff cheap lockable draws in their desks rather than safes to store secret government documents in.

Like this one that: blackmailed, coerced and bribed the intelligence services of the USA and its allies for usable Intel then padded it out with google translations of freely available off the web documents then purporting them to be research and analysis. A company that ran a horse and cart through OpSec on operations from drone actions against terrorists right on up to the Bin Laden hunt in order to make money from betting on how it would effect the markets.

ST_DUX you have gone down in my estimation, I thought up until now that you were a US patriot..

In reply to PELHAM:

The company and its management were well aware that what they were doing was illegal hense:

...the emails demonstrate a shady Web of questionable methods: informers, pay-offs, payment-laundering, psychological tactics for extracting covert information, etc.

The emails also appear to contain evidence that Stratfor is aware it walks a very risky legal and ethical line. In August 2011, Stratfor CEO George Friedman expressed concern over the potential repercussions of paying cash bribes to overseas informants. He confidentially told his employees: "We are retaining a law firm to create a policy for Stratfor on the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. I don't plan to do the perp walk and I don't want anyone here doing it either." ...

http://www.cio.com/article/700924/Wikileaks_Claims_Stratfor_Emails_Are_Smoking_Gun_of_Subversive_Activity

As allways follow the link to the article in full.

Trading in the identities of agents and drone attack information for their own monetary advantage is by any definition treason. Their possible involvement in outing CIA assets in Beirut needs to be thoroughly investigated but this is literaly the tip of the iceberg.

Kind regards walker

Edited February 27, 2012 by walker

[PELHAM 10]

Sounds like everyday journalism to me - you said there was an FBI investigation into Stratfor over this - so where is it? Link please.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Just to give you an idea of how the kook who runs Stratfor thinks, here he is explaining his theory that WWW III will started by Japan and Turkey attacking the US and that America's greatest allie will be Polland:

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Kind regards walker

[st_dux 26]

In reply to ST_DUX.

You mean like this one that held its Intel emails, clients credit card details, addresses and documents in clear on hackable servers connected directly to the internet. Gave its staff cheap lockable draws in their desks rather than safes to store secret government documents in.

Like this one that: blackmailed, coerced and bribed the intelligence services of the USA and its allies for usable Intel then padded it out with google translations of freely available off the web documents then purporting them to be research and analysis. A company that ran a horse and cart through OpSec on operations from drone actions against terrorists right on up to the Bin Laden hunt in order to make money from betting on how it would effect the markets.

I was speaking generally. As the story on this specific firm is still developing, I will reserve judgment until the details are clearer. If everything you say is indeed correct without qualification, then I would agree that this particular firm was quite corrupt. That said, the general idea of a private intelligence firm doesn't seem problematic to me.

[nettrucker 142]

I don't really see the problem with a private intelligence firm. I prefer it over a government-run intelligence firm, to be honest.

They've been hacked by a sixteen year old girl from Anon and you don't see a security problem?

[st_dux 26]

They've been hacked by a sixteen year old girl from Anon and you don't see a security problem?

Again, I was speaking generally, but it's worth noting that government agencies are routinely hacked by amateurs these days as well.

[nettrucker 142]

Yeah I know anonymous hacked the NATO data base too. They said it would be irresponsible to reveal their findings.

do some research about Goldman and Sachs involvement in Greece.

Edited February 27, 2012 by nettrucker

[gammadust 12]

Here's a small preview (sorry its in spanish, but its relatively intelligible), take note of positions and public institutions involved (1st half bottom / 2nd half top), and the Goldman Sahs (inverted), dates are also revealing:

click to zoom in on this european revolving door

source (spanish)

Edited February 28, 2012 by gammadust

[vilas 477]

today I have made some researches in Polish language in Polish press, guess what ? zero, no news about things Walker wrote

zero information, usual citizen has no idea about things you say here , cause there is no website or newspaper who wrote about things you prescribed , woow

[Baraka 10]

today I have made some researches in Polish language in Polish press, guess what ? zero, no news about things Walker wrote

zero information, usual citizen has no idea about things you say here , cause there is no website or newspaper who wrote about things you prescribed , woow

Same here in germany. First i thought the press need some time to sort things out...nothing till now. Some online news but they say only that the mails get puplic.

That makes me mad as hell. Ok, there are only a few mails out (+-150?) but that is enough for some news i think. Fu**ing Oscars get hours and hours.

I´ll never understand how most of the people in the western countries can ignore such stuff that much. Try to talk with someone about this stuff, in 90% you get reactions like here in this thread with a lot of "hu, i ever knew that" and "things are so, life with it!".

No! I´ll never life with this shit. There is a law in books and there is a law for humanity. The last one get punished more and more from a handful men which never have enough. They will continue till there´s nothing more than scorched earth.

What makes me really sad is the ignorance of the milk-cows. When here is a demonstration and i think the reasons are right i go there. The result is the same all the time. Young boys and girls sitting in ice cream shop and laugh about us because "It's pointless." The older one say "what u wan´t? We have a good life."

Fighting for an better world is never pointless and for freedom and true democracy we have to fight every single day.

So please everybody out there, open your eyes, stay awake and remember other´s there´s more than TV and party.

[kavoven 4]

today I have made some researches in Polish language in Polish press, guess what ? zero, no news about things Walker wrote

zero information, usual citizen has no idea about things you say here , cause there is no website or newspaper who wrote about things you prescribed , woow

There was an article at the "Tagesschau" website - but nothing more. And they didn't mention anything of the critical stuff.

[nettrucker 142]

I agree with you . . . the ignorance of most people is really scary. What bugs me most is when talking to somebody the always usual answer is ... Well what can we do about it . . . nothing. This is the answer which Im getting very often or most of the time.

[walker 0]

Hi all

One of the reasons you may not hearing about this in the media of your country is that stratfor may already have your journalists on its payroll or otherwise coerced via blackmail or threats into censoring the news. We already know that stratfor scuppered previous un-name-able organisation materials by controlling journalists at media organisations like the Guardian and the Washington Post.

Anyway back to the the main subject.

Stratfor: Osama bin Laden 'was in routine contact with Pakistan's spy agency' Osama bin Laden was in routine contact with several senior figures from Pakistan's military intelligence agency while in hiding in the country, according to a large cache of secret intelligence files.

By Damien McElroy, Foreign Affairs Correspondent 7:35PM GMT 27 Feb 2012

The disclosure was contained in e-mails from the private US security firm, Stratfor, which were published by WikiLeaks website on Monday after being obtained by the Anonymous hacking group...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/9109457/Stratfor-Osama-bin-Laden-was-in-routine-contact-with-Pakistans-spy-agency.html

As always follow the link to read the original text in full

Kind regards walker

[vilas 477]

One of the reasons you may not hearing about this in the media of your country is that stratfor may already have your journalists on its payroll or otherwise coerced via blackmail or threats into censoring the news.

yes :(

i can say simple example, once upon a time i was hunting one criminal, guy made theft and burglary, neighbors called police, police patrol caught guy in apartment !!! prosecutor refused to take investigation (decision of refusion) , court let guy free and supported prosecutor-office decision and dismissed case

guy is "somebody's son"

i wrote emails to several newspapers (5 or 10 newspaper) guess what ? NONE replied ! noone of journalists was interested,

i know case when high-ranked civil servant (rank: director ) falsified signature, paper with falsified signature "disappeared" from Police station, noone knows "who may lost it" and graphologic-forensic-scientist told in court "i cannot check without orginal paper, i cannot use xero"

case was dismissed too, also NONE of few newspapers wanted this case

the same time they write about low-rank clerk cases "mayor of town took bribe" but when "high rank clerk" done something, than noone takes case (of course if it touches ruling party, when clerk would be from opposition party they would take case immediately)

[PELHAM 10]

Hi all

One of the reasons you may not hearing about this in the media of your country is that stratfor may already have your journalists on its payroll or otherwise coerced via blackmail or threats into censoring the news. We already know that stratfor scuppered previous un-name-able organisation materials by controlling journalists at media organisations like the Guardian and the Washington Post.

Kind regards walker

Really? They have corrupted every journalist in the world? Or, is it more likely that there is nothing in this?

[vilas 477]

don't be blind , there is no need to corrupt journalist ,

journalist have boss, boss owns gazette, boss shows text that broadcaster reads etc.

and there is press-agency which sell informations (in Poland it is called PAP, Polish Press Agency) they "collect" information and push it back,

also every TV station, website is owned by specific financial group/corporation , for example group ITI has TVN TV station, onet.pl information website, and few newspapers and in some newspaper they have 49% of shares etc. etc.

so you have 2-3 concerns/companies which HOLD at least 10 TV stations, 30 daily newspapers, 30 weekly newspapers, 10 websites etc. etc.

no need to corrupt single WORKER , while you are boss or "drink with boss" or blackmail boss

we live in times of oligopolistic economy, so few big companies are the 99% employer

journalist who will not obey, will have to clean streets, cause there is no real competition between 2-3 companies which make agreements (for example in PL they support one political party and bash another party which is not pro-big-business )

[Tonci87 163]

Still nothing about this on the german news, its shocking!

[PELHAM 10]

Ah, so they have managed to persuade the boss of every newspaper in the world not to talk about this? Is it not more likely that there is nothing newsworthy here? Do you think this small news company of around 600 employees has the resources and influence to do that?

I read the emails on Wikileaks too, couldn't find anything. If Wikileaks want to relaunch themselves, they will have to come up with something better.

Do yourselves a favour and stop and think for a moment - reading this might help:

Stratfor Is a Joke and So Is Wikileaks for Taking It Seriously

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/02/stratfor-is-a-joke-and-so-is-wikileaks-for-taking-it-seriously/253681/

Edited February 28, 2012 by PELHAM

[vilas 477]

Still nothing about this on the german news, its shocking!

if not Walker's Digging News Agency... ;]

only some of us (like Martin said before) would "suspect" something

yes, it is shocking that British or American media say about something and we do not know it (and vice versa, like Russian media etc)

it was shocking in my country when no TV station informed about riots in Spain, London, Greece , to "not wake people up" in here (but tell them "work harder")

i remember 10 years ago, before (corrected) we joined EU, how our press was lying about social care in the west

people were lied , press was saying that in west world there is no social care, later they were fighting any pro-workers movement in press, forums etc (that time in PL there was over 20 % unemployment, people had total poverty, working for free (young people were working "voluntary contracts" to get "anything to put into CV" ) , people have offered jobs for minimal money while rich greed bastards were gaining milions and milions

later we joined EU, over 1 milion (up to 2 milions from 38 mln population) emigrated, and... suddenly...

we get on forums posts about cheap senior-price medicaments in west, about social care in New Zealand, about social care in Germany, Norway, Denmark, about child-support in UK, IRL, etc.

suddenly we found out that we are not even in 10% as socialistic as you are (calling yourselves old capitalistic states ) when it comes to social-care state duties,

suddenly people found that that press said bullshit "Poland is still lazy communistic country, noone in western world have social bonus, people work 50 hours a week and noone strike, noon has rights, so Poles work harder and cheaper you lazy bastards"

suddenly people woke up "hey, German works 36 hours a week, while i spend 48" (my personal record was being in job for 13 hours daily in 2003, damn horror :/ ) , "woow they have senior-prices for medicaments" etc. etc. etc. people suddenly found out "gosh, how it is possible, they told we are socialistic country while we are liberal comparing to them" (i know some market surveillance inspectors from your countries because of my job, so i know how liberal we are, comparing to our businessmen propaganda saying "we must dis-regulate all" and i hear my colleague from Netherlands or Germany or UK and i see how much law enforcement law they have and how law enforcement i am not , not even saying about harsh law enforcement in USA, Russia, Belarus)

press and misinforming has big role in steering society

if masses were properly informed about truth our elites would be hanged long time ago by angry rioting people

Edited February 28, 2012 by vilas

[Beagle 684]

Still nothing about this on the german news, its shocking!

Was in the news just yesterday.

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/wikileaks336.html published by NDR a cooperation partner of wikileaks, they are just cautious and see the facts first before making a fat headliner out of it. Exspect a SPIEGEL article in about one or two weeks. Serious Jounalim on difficult topics needs time (mentioned in the video)

Edited February 28, 2012 by Beagle

[Tonci87 163]

Well how many people watch the NDR? The big Mayority of german citizens don´t! I would erven dare to say that not even a quarter of german citizens watches the NDR on a regular basis.

[vilas 477]

mainstream is biased in every country, or simply propaganda tube

[whisper 0]

Anonymous & Wikileaks are Internet-based organizations and get nearly zero coverage from traditional media who do not understand Internet, the censorship is probably 99% because of ignorance, no blackmailing involved.

On the other hand, Anonymous & Wikileaks are Internet-based organizations, and get over-covered everywhere on Internet, even when they release something probably non significant (which to me is the case here, but the great thing with Internet is that you have more ways of making your own judgment).

That said, some point about what Vilas was complaining about : no coverage and mass being ignorant about facts. Mate, this is exactly what Internet is made for, and why it is important to fight for keeping Internet free of governmental and private control. It is made to share knowledge, when this sharing was not possible before. The more Internet get accessible, the more knowledge will be shared.

[vilas 477]

with the internet free during cold war, hugh, it would be fun in 60s or 70s , hahahaha

probably than no politicians would be able to send our tax money for arms race and threatening each other, cause people would found that on the other side of iron curtain there are the same people who do not want to fight anyone and each side has good and bad sides, people who follow only mainstream (due age, PC-ability, free time, education level) see only one side of coin (which is visible when some people from US have knowledge about our part of world before 1989 like it was death camp)

free information = enemy of politricks , thats why in other topic about ACTA i persuaded on watching movie i linked (about media, journalism and such like )

i hope that some people watched film i linked in ACTA topic

mainstream will always be brainwashing , cause brainwashing = status quo for rich and leaders

[st_dux 26]

@PELHAM:

Thanks for the Atlantic article. That clears things up.