You are being spied on by Carrier IQ

[mrcash2009 0]

DM why dont you PM a moderator, or post this all in the moderator sticky section, your in offtopic making offtopic thread offtopic, so for us reading your posts you could argue similar.

[walker 0]

Hi all

In reply to DM.

The seccurity of Moblile Platforms are a Defence issue.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/is-android-secure-enough-for-mission-critical-government-and-military-use-exclusive-video/10961

If a senator or congressman on a major committee uses or has used a phone where Carrier IQ was installed then the implications are very serious.

Ditto service personnel and contractors.

I can not understand your dislike of the subject being discussed.

As to any personal animosity you have that is your problem and nothing to do with this thread.

Kind Regards walker

Edited December 7, 2011 by walker

[Tonci87 163]

I agree with Sickboy. Noone forces you to read it.

[PELHAM 10]

The problem I have with some of Walker's posts is that they are sensationalist and partially or fully inaccurate. If he would check the facts before posting them I would not have to comment. Some seem to think I or others have a personal issue with him, that isn't true. I have an issue with people posting crap and will take on anyone that does so.

On the Internet every day crap is reposted an infinite number of times by people too dumb to check facts or understand what they are reading, crap then appears to be fact. Even the major news services don't seem to check anything they put on their web pages.

True - we don't have to read it but the problem is, others do. This forum then becomes complicit in crap spreading, that is best left to professionals in the farming industry. I would hope we are above spreading inaccuracies?

[dm 9]

The problem I have with some of Walker's posts is that they are sensationalist and partially or fully inaccurate. If he would check the facts before posting them I would not have to comment. Some seem to think I or others have a personal issue with him, that isn't true. I have an issue with people posting crap and will take on anyone that does so.

On the Internet every day crap is reposted an infinite number of times by people too dumb to check facts or understand what they are reading, crap then appears to be fact. Even the major news services don't seem to check anything they put on their web pages.

Amen to that.

True - we don't have to read it but the problem is, others do. This forum then becomes complicit in crap spreading, that is best left to professionals in the farming industry. I would hope we are above spreading inaccuracies?

Exactly. I know its just as retarded as posting the crap in the first place, but I cant help myself.

[PELHAM 10]

Hi all

If a senator or congressman on a major committee uses or has used a phone where Carrier IQ was installed then the implications are very serious.

Kind Regards walker

I have a large box of matches in my house, the implications are very serious. It is possible for me to burn down every house in my town with them.

BUT:

How likely is it?

Does everyone have a box of matches in their house at this moment, are we all at serious risk?

Even if I tried it, would other factors stop me?

Is it actually possible to do this?

Edited December 7, 2011 by PELHAM

[walker 0]

Hi All

In reply to PELHAM

About this likely:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/17/skygrabber-american-drones-hacked

http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/05/28/us-military-contractors-hacked-possible-link-with-rsa-securid-breach-reports-claim/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jun/29/hackers-us-military-magazine-defense-news

http://www.slashgear.com/us-satellites-hacked-by-chinese-military-says-congressional-commission-27191497/

http://venturebeat.com/2011/10/07/sorry-your-military-drone-was-hijacked-by-a-computer-virus/

Etc.

I can post up the same kind of material for Political representatives and one only has to consider News Corp to see where this all leads.

I could literally fill pages with it; of course the attitude that is all safe, nothing is wrong, is what lets it happen in the first place.

Or you could take it seriously like the US Senators and Congressional Representatives are.

If you cannot see the risks of failing to deal with security gaps I feel sad for any organisation you work for.

Kind Regards walker

[batto 17]

I have a large box of matches in my house, the implications are very serious. It is possible for me to burn down every house in my town with them.

BUT:

How likely is it?

Does everyone have a box of matches in their house at this moment, are we all at serious risk?

Even if I tried it, would other factors stop me?

Is it actually possible to do this?

That's different. Your matches aren't intelligent and you won't profit from burning your house.

[PELHAM 10]

I could literally fill pages with it;

Well yes you could because you put a space between every line you write.

5 links to stories of hacking unrelated to this particular instance proves nothing. Yet more sensationalism, innuendo, inaccuracy and crap. :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 03:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:05 PM ----------

That's different. Your matches aren't intelligent and you won't profit from burning your house.

I was trying to illustrate a method of logical thinking in simple terms. It is no different, people have been making money from burning down houses for centuries.

[batto 17]

I was trying to illustrate a method of logical thinking in simple terms.

I think you simply tried to downgrade the issue in Fox News style...

It is no different, people have been making money from burning down houses for centuries.

Your point? Are you really OK with some random company spying you and possibly your government?

Here is some info for that "sensationalist and partially or fully inaccurate" thing:

http://androidsecuritytest.com/features/logs-and-services/loggers/carrieriq/

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/carrieriq-censor-research-baseless-legal-threat

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/carrier-iq-drops-empty-legal-threat-apologizes-security-researcher

EDIT: https://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/researchers-say-carrier-iq-not-logging-texts-or-emails-has-some-worrisome-capabilities-120511

Edited December 7, 2011 by batto

[PELHAM 10]

I think you simply tried to downgrade the issue in Fox News style...

Your point? Are you really OK with some random company spying you and possibly your government?

Here is some info for that "sensationalist and partially or fully inaccurate" thing:

Your point was that I would not profit from burning my house down. WRONG! I could in several different ways.

RE Carrier IQ:

So? Nothing you have provided indicates that there is any spying or hacking occurring. Some have suggested that it might be possible but have not actually demonstrated it.

So again what's the big deal? Not everyone has the software on their phones. I don't and most of Europe does not have Carrier IQ. So is there actually a problem or not?

[andersson 285]

From what I read here this important information is only concerning USA? I find it kind of interesting but not really relevant for me or sensational. If I lived in USofA maybe, then I would liked to know it as it affected me.

I mostly read Walkers threads in search for drama when I'm bored (btw, thank you all for the last pages :) ) I find them generally borderline off-off topic, it seems like he is post-blogging whatever he finds interesting while surfing. Some stuff are interesting for me, but I didnt expect to find it on a forum like this. Well, since some time I do however expect the un-expected as lately the 2nd or 3rd post is from mr Walker ;)

[walker 0]

Hi all

Google's executive chairman, Eric Schmidt, has condemned Carrier IQ and described it as a "keyloger" that Google do not in any way support

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/eric-schmidt/8945171/Google-chief-Eric-Schmidt-condemns-Carrier-IQ.html

There are also investigations by retailers and bankers into Carrier IQ.

http://storefrontbacktalk.com/securityfraud/is-carrier-iq-a-pci-problem-hint-the-answers-yes/

Kind regards walker

[MF_Washburn 1]

And the FBI, CIA, M13, and all other intelligence departments out there.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Ah...

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222616/FBI_rejects_FOIA_request_for_Carrier_IQ_info_?taxonomyId=70

When you looked at how it worked one had these suspicions from the start.

Addendum: Carrier IQ has admitted it has the contents of some peoples text messages but says any other customer private data that was collected was done by the carriers or was the fault of the phone makers. I don't suppose Apple and HTC customers will be happy to hear that. The phone manufacturing companies themselves will not be happy with Carrier IQ saying it either. The carriers are busy obsfuscating like crazy.

The thing is that examination of the Carrier IQ training materials makes it clear that wiretapping capabilities were built into the product and how they could be used was part of the training materials.

http://androidsecuritytest.com/features/logs-and-services/loggers/carrieriq/

That the package was covert, disguised and hardened against being disabled and that the company used threats of dire and expensive legal gagging to prevent its capabilities from being discussed that turned out to be frivolous leads one inevitably to the belief that they are up to no good.Addendum Ends.

Kind regards walker

Edited December 13, 2011 by walker
Addendum added

[walker 0]

Hi all

FBI Director admits that data collected for the FBI by your carrier may have been obtained using Carrier IQ.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=1148700

When I saw the options that the software offered via its Carrier Portal I said to myself at the time that this was like a government snoop's wet dream. The ability to turn on your microphone and log every action you did mean this software was plainly a thinly disguised duel use snooping rootkit.

Carrier IQ's apparent defence is the gun shop owner's "How was I to know they were going to rob banks with sawn off shot gun I sold them?"

Kind regards walker

[st_dux 26]

Carrier IQ's apparent defence is the gun shop owner's "How was I to know they were going to rob banks with sawn off shot gun I sold them?"

Which is, of course, a legitimate defense.

[walker 0]

Hi all

In reply to ST_Dux:

Which is, of course, a legitimate defense.

If they advertise with a commercial of a bank robber using a sawn off shot gun to rob a bank or say sell it with a free plan of the bank guard routes and times, is it still a legitimate defense?

Kind regards walker

[st_dux 26]

If they advertise with a commercial of a bank robber using a sawn off shot gun to rob a bank or say sell it with a free plan of the bank guard routes and times, is it still a legitimate defense?

With regard to your first example (the advertisement) I would say yes, the defense is still legitimate; the gun store owner cannot be held responsible for the commission of a crime merely for exercising his free speech right to depict a fictional image of that crime. Your second example, however, would probably make him guilty as an accessory to robbery. The difference here is that he would be intentionally aiding someone in the commission of a crime rather than simply providing one possible means of committing it. Knowing that what you're selling could be used to commit a crime (the gun) is not the same as knowing that what you're selling, having no other potential purpose, could only be used to commit a crime (the guard information).

[onlyrazor 11]

Hahahahahaha. Hahahaha ahaha, mere mortals.

BEHOLD! MY PHONE

Spy on that, will you.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Carriers are abandoning Carrier IQ, hardly surprising after Carrier IQ grassed them up as the people spying on your Mobile phone, possibly for the Government.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/12/19/sprint-disables-carrier-iq-across-all-phones/

The phone manufacturers too are busy trying to remove this "Rootkit" "Keylogger"

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/comment/rim-comes-clean-over-carrier-iq-50268

Of course as it is a "rootkit" in many cases Manufacturers such as IPhone and RIM cannot remove it; all they can perhaps do is disable it; at least until a Government department tells them to turn it back on.

The same applies to carriers of course, once again all you are seeing is the program being disabled not removed. http://www.technewsworld.com/story/74006.html

When you add this to proposed changes in US laws one of a "paranoid mind" might come to a conclusion on this...

Hence yet another House investigation into Carrier IQ:

http://www.ktvz.com/news/30018178/detail.html

I think that makes three house investigations.

Everyone in the House must be Crazy Paranoid...

Carrier IQ are busy "Educating" Federal investigators from the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) into Carrier IQs capabilities:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/15/carrier_iq_privacy_latest/

Because clearly they are crazy paranoid too...

It now appears that another Federal organisation, the FBI had already been "Educated" about Carrier IQs capabilities: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/carrier-iq-executive-says-fbi-approached-firm-about-its-tracking-tool-but-denies-relationship/2011/12/15/gIQAHNffwO_story.html

Kind of odd as previously they said they had not spoken to them about Carrier IQ's "Information" tracking capabilities, still if its classified maybe they could not speak about it oops Blabbermouths.

Clearly Carrier IQs fear is that they will be the target for all the court cases and are trying to spread the blame,

http://gizmodo.com/5869370/who-owns-your-phones-privacy-my-email-chat-with-carrier-iq

Which just helps to paint the picture.

Latest targets for Carrier IQ's policy of spread it around so much that we become too big to prosecute are the phone manufacturers,

http://kozmedia.com/carrier-iq-phone-manufacturers-are-to-blame/226805/

That; we don't speak to the FBI, seems just like the: we do not collect peoples data turning out to be: well we did get a bit by accident, and yes it appears some phones relay the information that is transmitted to a clear log file by mistake and yes the Carriers may collect data on you, perhaps at the behest of the FBI or whoever else, including companies that might want to say blackmail you or maybe just make you use a particular credit card, or buy a particular car or vote a particular way... etc.

Any way it don't matter because you agreed to be spied upon didn't you! At least that is what the carriers excuse is:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/12/telcos-say-you-consented/

Any one else get that Drip, Drip, Drip feeling one gets before a flood?

Kind Regards walker

Edited December 20, 2011 by walker
clarity grammar

[walker 0]

Hi all

Quick update on all this.

It now appears that I Phones are the most insecure of all operating systems:

http://gizmodo.com/5885245/your-iphones-privacy-sucks-because-of-appleand-even-steve-jobs-agrees

Essentialy if you use an I phone you have no privacy.

Kind Regards walker

[onlyrazor 11]

It now appears that I Phones are the most insecure of all operating systems:

Essentialy if you use an I phone you have no privacy.

[DetCord 96]

These guys have a cool suggestion about what to do with your sim-card to stop people tracking you:

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Carrier IQ? It's setup to log dropped calls etc. Think of it as an anonymous diagnostic survey tool. Good news is it's not used in the UK and many other countries and most phones don't have it. Mainly a US problem.

It's not installed by governments but by network providers, if it's installed on 141million phones they don't have the staff to physically look at everyone's records, the data will be summarised into categories by computer so they can analyse problems and trends.

Sorry, with your SIM card removed they can still track you.