Bomb kills 36 on russian holiday

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I'm really wondering if these Islamic radicals want anything except martyrdom for all their people, because the way this is going they are going to have every developed country after them  

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That's sick. I really don't understand what's happening to this world. Hard to imagine that i'll have to live in it...

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Apparently Putin is very pissed about this, and it generally not wise to piss off an ex KGB agent:

"This crime was carried out by scum who hold nothing sacred," a solemn Putin told a Kremlin reception after the main parade in Moscow's Red Square to mark the defeat of Nazi Germany 57 years ago.

"We have every right to treat them as Nazis, whose sole aim was to spread death, sow fear and to murder," he said. The audience observed a minute of silence.

Putin has made combating terrorism a rallying cry of his two-year-old rule, and says Russia is fighting the same brand of militants in Chechnya that Washington blames for the September 11 suicide attacks on the United States.

IMHO this whole mess (Israel-Palestine/Russia-Chechnya/Everyone Else-Afghanistan) may soon be called WWIII. Especially if Iraq gets into it again

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If you live in Chechnya - good idea to move away now

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there are extremests everywhare, if they wana go to hell so badly than im sure the developed nations of the world would have no proplem ecomodating them to their destination

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Yep Russia has been getting very cozy with NATO lately:

"Russia's contribution to the U.S. counter-terror operation in Afghanistan in the weeks after Sept. 11 exceeded that of all NATO allies combined. Moscow not only provided intelligence information, it allowed the Pentagon to use its airspace and crucial Soviet-built airfields in Central Asia. It also stepped up its military assistance to the Afghan Northern Alliance, which Russia had supported long before Sept. 11 and which did most of the ground fighting until recently."

and I think it's only a matter of time before one of these countries gets pissed off enough with all this terrorism, solidifies this alliance, and gives a definite global answer to these assholes call to "jihad". Check this out:

Anti-Terror War Binds U.S., Russian Militaries

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Russia supported the US Afganistan campaign because it gives them free hands to do what they like with their domestic problems. The label 'terrorist' has become very popular since 11/9.

I still can't really see how you in an open society can prevent terrorist attacks. On the other hand they managed to stop the Red Brigades in Europe in the seventies, but the were relativly few.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ May 10 2002,01:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Russia supported the US Afganistan campaign because it gives them free hands to do what they like with their domestic problems. The label 'terrorist' has become very popular since 11/9.<span id='postcolor'>

And since when is the label 'terrorist' not appropriate for someone who kills 300 in appartment building bombings, or sets off a remote-controlled bomb as a parade mostly made up of children and WWII vets passes by?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ May 10 2002,03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ May 10 2002,01:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Russia supported the US Afganistan campaign because it gives them free hands to do what they like with their domestic problems. The label 'terrorist' has become very popular since 11/9.<span id='postcolor'>

And since when is the label 'terrorist' not appropriate for someone who kills 300 in appartment building bombings, or sets off a remote-controlled bomb as a parade mostly made up of children and WWII vets passes by?<span id='postcolor'>

No, that's not how I meant it. I probably expressed myself wrong. It was unrelated to the current incident or the bombings in russia. Of course I consider the ones that blow up civilian buildings as terrorists.

[Wobble 1]

"We have every right to treat them as Nazis, whose sole aim was to spread death, sow fear and to murder,"

bad choice of words.. seeing as how there was much rape and murder as the Red army stormed through germany..  that quote could be taken as "we are gonna treat them as sub human and ignore their rights as human beings, kil lall people we thigh MIGHT could maby POSSABLY be connected to them.. and their children.."

I doubt thats the case, but making refrence to "well treat them like the nazis" is not very smart.

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I thought it was a perfect choice of words as today marked the anniversary of the USSR's V-day over Germany. You're right about the atrocities then, but the Nazi's weren't boy scouts either. Unfortunately in war few people keep their hands clean.

*edit* also, keep in mind Russia HAS changed since the days of "Papa Stalin", and that some people also didn't like George Bush's "axis of Evil" speech

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Wobble, what is/was camp x-ray?(not very well informed lately)

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I have been beginning to think that all the Muslim fanatics want is death.

They are not fighting for some cause. They are not fighting for their religion.

They are fighting because they want to die and go to their allah. Martyrdom seemingly has become something everyone wants to do in Muslim society. They feel that by sacrifising themselves to kill, they will be rewarded greatly in death.

It doesn't matter who they kill. They just want to kill. It is all they dream about. It's all they want. It's sick.

I think we should activate any forces that are capable of taking them out. And do it by whatever means necessary.

It is the only thing left to do.

If these people ever ran out of people to kill, they will resort to killing their own people because that is all they want to do, it is all they know how to do.

[Wobble 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Grey Fox @ May 10 2002,04:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wobble, what is/was camp x-ray?(not very well informed lately)<span id='postcolor'>

its the camp on cuba where some captured taleban and al-queda are being held, pathetic simps all over the world are lobbying that they get to have religious leader, nice cool water, or gatorade, air conditioning..etc etc.. or else the US is commiting some sort of crime..

despite the numerous visits by international groups declaring that everything going on there is spec with the geneva convention.. some people keep crying because they dont have hypoalergenec buckwheat pillows or some stupid shit like that..

really strange and retarded shit..

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Screw the human rights! Human right should not work on terrorists! If they get caught they should not be killed, but kept in cold and dark rooms without windows untill they die.

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Well I believe screw all the terrorists and nations that support them: Palestina, Checnya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.

Screw human rights because they're not humans! They're scum of the earth! Go to www.stickdeath.com to see waht should be done to them

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"Gentlemen, we have met the enemy, and he is us."

We are supposed to be the good guys, remember? That means we have to play by our rules, even if they dont. We need to set ourselves up as the example to follow by our actions. We need to balance forbearance with effective violent force.

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granted, but playing by the rules.. and pampering thos shitheads with nicities that they would NEVER EVER have experenced in their lives is a whole other thing..

these jagoffs live in the fucking desert... in caves, shit huts.e.etc etc.. and these idiots have the never to complain that they dont have air conditioning.. gimme a break..

complain because they all dont have a copy of the koran (or whatever) so they get that.. then they complain that they need to have a religious leader for them too.. then they argue that the water they have is "room temperature at best" and they they need cold water and or gatorade or other hydrating drinks..

such total bullshit.. these guys dream of murdering us just because of who we are (western) and we are supposed to be all nice and cater to their whims, give them AC, a koran, nice bedding.. gatorade.. etc etc..

perfect example of when being politically correct is total bullshit..

maby they shouldent be shot like dogs (with no trial that is) but they should be treated with the MINIMUM of what the geneva convention dictates. and not a shred more.. not this bullshit these pathetic fuckwad piles of shit cry about..

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However unfortunate, this could mean heavy Russian support for a ground campaign in Iraq. I personally never felt any anomosity towards the Russians, since I grew up in the post Cold War. Russian and American troops fighting side by side again....hmmmmm. It seems history repeats itself.

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I'm sorry, but when they are willing to do whatever it takes to kill us.

The rules cannot be played by anylonger!

Just look at the suicide attacks that still continue.

They are not willing to talk, they are not willing to stop.

There is only ONE solution to that. And that is bullets.

Here's something some of you may have heard.

Back in the 80's some terrorists captured some Soviets, and made some demands to the Soviet govt.

The Soviet govt finally agreed to the terms so that their people could be returned safely.

The terrorists got what they wanted and realized this. So then, instead of releasing the hostages, they decided to make more demands and killed a hostage to show that they were serious.

The Soviet govt then deployed a Spetsnatz unit to deal with the situation.

They captured one of the hostage takers, cut up his body, and returned it to the terrorists with a message promising full unrestrained action on all the terrorist compounds if the hostages were not released.

The hostages were released withing 24 hours.

[Wobble 1]

they dont have the cash to provide any real support. their mil is run down, and they are not going to spin it back up just to help fight a little shitpot like saddam,,. probably just token force.. just enough to grab some of the glory without any real commitment (like most other countries do)

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ May 10 2002,06:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm sorry, but when they are willing to do whatever it takes to kill us.

The rules cannot be played by anylonger!

Just look at the suicide attacks that still continue.

They are not willing to talk, they are not willing to stop.

There is only ONE solution to that.  And that is bullets.

Here's something some of you may have heard.

Back in the 80's some terrorists captured some Soviets, and made some demands to the Soviet govt.

The Soviet govt finally agreed to the terms so that their people could be returned safely.

The terrorists got what they wanted and realized this.  So then, instead of releasing the hostages, they decided to make more demands and killed a hostage to show that they were serious.

The Soviet govt then deployed a Spetsnatz unit to deal with the situation.

They captured one of the hostage takers, cut up his body, and returned it to the terrorists with a message promising full unrestrained action on all the terrorist compounds if the hostages were not released.

The hostages were released withing 24 hours.<span id='postcolor'>

yea, dealing with terrorists is never a good thing, because obviousley if you comply with them once, then they will just do it again.. and every other terrorist will see the result aswell.. and your country becomes a massive target.. because they know you will put up with their shit.

even more dangerous is they realize "all i have to do is endanger XXX many people and they will not fight me" whitch makes the terrorist just aim for higher and higher stakes I.E. more hostages.. etc

probably the best way to deal with them would be killing them.. even if some of the hostages are killed.. I know thats not very PC and shit, but if terrorists knew that they would be attacked with overwhelming force no matter what.. they may think twice about pulling their shit.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ May 10 2002,06:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">they dont have the cash to provide any real support. their mil is run down, and they are not going to spin it back up just to help fight a little shitpot like saddam.<span id='postcolor'>

It's all about priority, and to Russia the military has always been a priority. Right now it is not as impotent as you may think.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">they dont have the cash to provide any real support. their mil is run down, and they are not going to spin it back up just to help fight a little shitpot like saddam,,. probably just token force.. just enough to grab some of the glory without any real commitment (like most other countries do)

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Yes, but Southern Russia would be a great staging point for an invasion, and we wouldn't have to cut any deals with the shady Saudi Arabians to use thier soil.

[Wobble 1]

soldiers and officers that have gone without pay for months.. having to beg on streets for money, officers commiting suicide, their families starving.. subs falling into disrepair to the point that entering them is dangerous without hazmat suits..

sounds pretty bad to me..