North Korea on Facebook?

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

Apparently North Korea has opened a Facebook account under the username "uriminzokkiri".

According to the article (link http://skunkpost.com/news.sp?newsId=3027 ), the account info describes itself as male and interested in men...

Has the most secretive country on the planet come out of the closet?

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

That place is a disgrace to Humanity, the 'citizenry' is complicit in the crimes committed there as much as are the leaders of NK.

http://www.blogjam.com/2005/10/23/north-korea-day-one/

Question is: do we bomb the ignorant? Bombing will continue until morals improve.

[vilas 477]

"That place is a disgrace to Humanity,"

Oakland is not ??? or equal ??? if you can be on wheelchair, cause in wrong day you put red t-shirt while you should wear blue or black ?

Sao-Paulo favelas or Mexico favelas are not ???

Vietnam children sick on post-Nam chemical war bombs are not ?

The Effects of Herbicides in South Vietnam ???

Sierra Leone and local people under gun of gold-mines ?

i know a lot of places on earth such evil

Edited August 23, 2010 by vilas

[maddogx 13]

i know a lot of places on earth such evil

And NK is just one example. No one ever said it was the only bad place on the planet.

Anyway I thought this thread was more about the fact that NK describes itself as homosexual... ;)

[vilas 477]

NK is really strange place

homo ? they wanna be trendy ? political correct ?

or say that they are discriminated and want more laws and money , otherwise they will feel discriminated :D :D :D

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

I don't think that it actually proves anything except that whoever set up the page is clearly mad... Not in a good way either.

[HotShot 0]

Uriminzokkiri (Our Nation) is used for various laughable propaganda attempts. They also have a YouTube channel and a website. As far as I know its all legit, not just someone trying to be funny.

EDIT: Nevermind, just read the rest of the SkunkPost link and says it all there.

Edited August 23, 2010 by HotShot

[vilas 477]

I don't think that it actually proves anything except that whoever set up the page is clearly mad... Not in a good way either.

4chan ? we have such guys in internet who provoke to start battle cause they are bored

[CameronMcDonald 146]

I believe NK requires moar mans, hence the sexual preference.

[Lhowon 10]

That place is a disgrace to Humanity, the 'citizenry' is complicit in the crimes committed there as much as are the leaders of NK.

No question it's a disgrace, but I'm not sure how you can say the citizens are as complicit. After all they're the ones who are born stunted from endemic starvation, indoctrinated from childhood, and then suffer under permanent fear of torture and death (both for themselves and their family) if they are ever considered not loyal enough.

I think there's considerable room for compassion there... unlike in the case of the leadership who deserve to have their faces shot off for crimes against humanity.

[vilas 477]

. After all they're the ones who are born stunted from endemic starvation, indoctrinated from childhood, and then suffer under permanent fear of torture and death (both for themselves and their family) if they are ever considered not loyal enough.

it works everywhere

some people are born and living in propaganda that they must kill for Allah, other ones live in propaganda that they must follow Jahve, put tanks against children , other ones born thinking they are the best and they must spread their freedom in which degenerates without hearts and conscience have rights and hurt weaker people ...

in all countries people are born and are indoctrinated, in our countries they are indoctrinated that making love is something wrong and war is better than making oral sex or using condom etc.

i don't think that people believing in party leader secretary as in god are worse than people believing in gold/dollar/economy as god or god whatever name of this god is

what is difference in "evil" between "god as economy or god as party" ?

or it is attitude "our god is better" ? i dont know what is worse, blind communism fanatism or greed for money hurting others

NK is for sure hard place to live and i do no want to live in something like this, just like i would not live in African country or being worker in Asia or living in Oakland or favelas of Brazilian cities or in Gaza

Edited August 23, 2010 by vilas

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

No question it's a disgrace, but I'm not sure how you can say the citizens are as complicit. After all they're the ones who are born stunted from endemic starvation, indoctrinated from childhood, and then suffer under permanent fear of torture and death (both for themselves and their family) if they are ever considered not loyal enough.

I think there's considerable room for compassion there... unlike in the case of the leadership who deserve to have their faces shot off for crimes against humanity.

Read on the history of the USSR. And then tell me about compassion.

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

Read on the history of the USSR. And then tell me about compassion.

Or pretty much any "developed" nation on the planet really, or at least those that used to be part of the British Empire. We used to hang children over here.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

"That place is a disgrace to Humanity,"

Oakland is not ??? or equal ???

Do you know what cattle is? Not sheep, cattle lead to slaughter due to some man's schizoid ideas.

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Or pretty much any "developed" nation on the planet really, or at least those that used to be part of the British Empire. We used to hang children over here.

We're over that, people used to 'poop out of their windows' in Europe, but they got over the ignorance.

West has the capacity & the responsibility to unite the world under clear terms & guidelines, would you not agree?

[HyperU2 11]

I've already got a gay minority on my friends list, sorry NK.

[Lhowon 10]

it works everywhere

some people are born and living in propaganda that they must kill for Allah, other ones live in propaganda that they must follow Jahve, put tanks against children , other ones born thinking they are the best and they must spread their freedom in which degenerates without hearts and conscience have rights and hurt weaker people ...

in all countries people are born and are indoctrinated, in our countries they are indoctrinated that making love is something wrong and war is better than making oral sex or using condom etc.

i don't think that people believing in party leader secretary as in god are worse than people believing in gold/dollar/economy as god or god whatever name of this god is

what is difference in "evil" between "god as economy or god as party" ?

or it is attitude "our god is better" ? i dont know what is worse, blind communism fanatism or greed for money hurting others

NK is for sure hard place to live and i do no want to live in something like this, just like i would not live in African country or being worker in Asia or living in Oakland or favelas of Brazilian cities or in Gaza

I guess I see the point you're making, but I do hope you realise that freedom of thought and expression are real and tangible. If we just leave it at comparing (without getting into other protected rights) freedom of expression in the US and NK it is polar opposites - the US has it in a very real meaningful sense, NK doesn't in an equally real and meaningful sense.

That makes the US clearly superior in that respect. I hope you agree, I was just getting a general sense of cultural relativism from what you were saying.

Read on the history of the USSR. And then tell me about compassion.

I don't like having to second guess what people are meaning, especially on forums, as it lets them conveniently redefine their statements at a later time and bog down the conversation in cross-purpose semantics. I don't see what about the USSR's history negates my point, so I'd appreciate if you'd make your point clearly so I can see how it relates to mine.

[vilas 477]

have you watched movie "the insider"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Insider_(film)

do you think that freedom of speech works perfectly if rich corporations own press ? do you think you are well informed about anything ???

in present world it is hard to get really free and not changed information

even in 90s i remember "Serbs killed Albanians" under photo showing mass grave, latter "corrected" to "Serbs killed by Albanians"

i remember something like this once upon a time

propaganda is everywhere , including my country too

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

I don't like having to second guess what people are meaning, especially on forums, as it lets them conveniently redefine their statements at a later time and bog down the conversation in cross-purpose semantics. I don't see what about the USSR's history negates my point, so I'd appreciate if you'd make your point clearly so I can see how it relates to mine.

The 2nd October revolution of 1917 and the following slaughter of the middle & higher class in a civil war. Execution of political dissidents in 1937-1945, ethnic cleansing; people sat and watched, they wouldn't have done it otherwise because the same people who had f-ck all for education & morals murdered the elite some 20 years ago. Need I continue?

And the following 4 decades of stagnation with no dissent in the parent country - Russia.

P.S. And a bluff in 1962 by an imbecile that nearly wiped out most of the landmass on this planet.

Edited August 23, 2010 by Iroquois Pliskin

[vilas 477]

"following slaughter of the middle & higher class i"

but when high class slaughter low class than all is okay ???

you forget that every revolution has its REASONS, revolution is always repay kick because of previous kick

tsars were murdering poor people, poor people took revenge and you see it wrong ???

if rich kicks poor than all is okay for you and poor cannot kick back ???

cause poor must obey high class ??? NEVER

you really dont know what were XIX century regimes under kings (king... man who is born to be better than others, only because he is born, hahahaha or nobles who not worked, but slaved poor people )

russian people did to tsar what they should do for tsar regime

revolution is when poor people have enough of rulers terror , so it always has cause in previous acts committed by previous ruler

Edited August 23, 2010 by vilas

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

"following slaughter of the middle & higher class i"

but when high class slaughter low class than all is okay ???

you forget that every revolution has its REASONS, revolution is always repay kick because of previous kick

tsars were murdering poor people, poor people took revenge and you see it wrong ???

if rich kicks poor than all is okay for you and poor cannot kick back ???

cause poor must obey high class ??? NEVER

you really dont know what were XIX century regimes under kings (king... man who is born to be better than others, only because he is born, hahahaha or nobles who not worked, but slaved poor people )

russian people did to tsar what they should do for tsar regime

There was a February revolution: they might have executed the Csar & his family and then moved on to a Republic ala the French or some sort of Federation.

Off-topic ends here.

[vilas 477]

"There was a February revolution: they might have executed the Csar & his family and then move on to a democratic Republic ala the French or some sort of Federation."

yes, but people were believing that new way will bring happiness to most of them

you should ask Russians how they/their parents lived in 60s, 70s comparing to 90s

if not revolution world would stay in XIX century, cause west troops would help "tsar" regime, cause kings were family in Europe

thanx to this revolution west governments took some economical decisions good for employers (cause were afraid of revolution too)

French revolution was very very important in history, but as you will look at XIX century i not spread too far

Germany, Russia etc. were still ruled by authoritative noble-king regimes where poor man was born as poor and was dying as poor cause he had to work like slave "chłopi pańszczyźniani"

till 1862/4 ... we had slavery here , in US too as i remember there was slavery

so people wanted something completely opposite and they chosen communism, not French way

people in 1917 couldn't know that cyco Stalin will make so much problems for people

they couldn't foresee

also who could build new state ???

another rich ? so they not trusted, cause who could be new elite in 1917 ??? people who were tsar friends/cooperators/business ??? who ??? if they started state from scratch

communism was giving them hope, like vision of messiah who will come and all will be happy, rich, equal, not harmed... who could knew in 1917 that Dyugashvili was mad

Edited August 23, 2010 by vilas

[Lhowon 10]

The 2nd October revolution of 1917 and the following slaughter of the middle & higher class in a civil war. Execution of political dissidents in 1937-1945, ethnic cleansing; people sat and watched, they wouldn't have done it otherwise because the same people who had f-ck all for education & morals murdered the elite some 20 years ago. Need I continue?

And the following 4 decades of stagnation with no dissent in the parent country - Russia.

P.S. And a bluff in 1962 by an imbecile that nearly wiped out most of the landmass on this planet.

So if I'm understanding you correctly: the North Korean people in 2010 are complicit in the atrocities committed on them by their leaders because 'they' didn't stop the regime gaining power in the first place (a regime essentially imposed on them by the Soviets after WWII)? And therefore we shouldn't have compassion for its people?

Sorry but there's no logical pathway there, and certainly no room for morality. Having compassion for the oppressed is fundamental to being on the right side of an issue, because otherwise what's your stance - that all North Koreans deserve what they get?

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

So if I'm understanding you correctly: the North Korean people in 2010 are complicit in the atrocities committed on them by their leaders because 'they' didn't stop the regime gaining power in the first place (a regime essentially imposed on them by the Soviets after WWII)? And therefore we shouldn't have compassion for its people?

Sorry but there's no logical pathway there, and certainly no room for morality. Having compassion for the oppressed is fundamental to being on the right side of an issue, because otherwise what's your stance - that all North Koreans deserve what they get?

There are 24 million+ people in NK, there is an on-going civil war there: one digs a hole, another fills it up and sometimes there is a third person with a rifle.

When they start rioting & put the lamp posts to good use, then I'll reconsider my position(s), depending on what they aim to achieve.

...stance - that all North Koreans deserve what they get?

People get the government they deserve.

Edited August 23, 2010 by Iroquois Pliskin

[Big Mac 19]

Maybe the DPRK wants to put forth the image of a "Hip dictatorship" who knows.

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

Maybe the DPRK wants to put forth the image of a "Hip dictatorship" who knows.

that would make a good T-shirt....

Kim Jong-IL, putting the "hip" in dictatorship since 1994.