Would\'nt it be nice to have one of these in the Game?

[FCATrooper 0]

the initials of the make of sniper rifle used by the ARW

[pipelias 1]

"http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/aad/aad_rfsc.htm

What do you think?" - Captain Kickass

"None of the brits in question actually know anything about the military, and have never handled weapons before.

Therefore, they do not know what they are talking about." - FCATrooper

Firstly, forgive me if I am wrong, but this is a computer game, thus it is not real.

Secondly, unfortunately, it is sickeningly clear just how childish and elitist some of the members of the forum are. Somebody makes a simple suggestion about implementing an air-defence unit into a game. It would look good and add an extra element of danger to the aircraft. Now you have to be thicker than a bank vault door if you honestly think they would apply the real-life specifications of existing army units to the game. They would scale it down suitably so that the anti-aircraft device would only hit the planes/choppers within a reasonable distance. It's a good idea about adding that unit in and some of the armed forces members around here do not seem to have much faith in the developers' capability of changing some of the specifications so that they add to the game, not detract from it. Good idea Captain, I don't know why they didn't implement the unit in the first place.

Thirdly, FCATrooper, do you think that because you are in the army and somebody else isn't, that you can simply talk down on everybody like you invented the army? At which point in his post did he say that the Rapier was the best piece of equipment? He asked, "What do you think?†he did not state, "This is the best." If you so feel insecure, inadequate and unrecognised about your military lifestyle and feel you need to shout others down to bring yourself up, then please leave the army and join a University to study "How to make myself less small minded."

Also, being a Nationalist doesn’t exactly convince anybody of just how correct your opinion can be.

[FCATrooper 0]

wow....you certainly put me in my place there....

im not in the army. im in the army reserve. which doesnt really amount to the same thing.

and im off to university next year.

so stop assuming things.

and if u think im bad,read some of russkierule's posts.

also,if u read some of the other posts,going back a few months,you will find literally dozens which go on about how the brit army is the world's greatest.

and the fact that the people who posted these posts havent a clue what they were talking about simply pissed me off.

right?

besides,whatever is suggested in this forum isnt actually going to be implemented in the game in any future mods.

[The Jub-Jub Bird 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from TE Hellfire on 4:02 pm on Dec. 30, 2001

"http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/aad/aad_rfsc.htm

   What do you think?" - Captain Kickass

"None of the brits in question actually know anything about the military, and have never handled weapons before.

Therefore, they do not know what they are talking about." - FCATrooper

Firstly, forgive me if I am wrong, but this is a computer game, thus it is not real.

Secondly, unfortunately, it is sickeningly clear just how childish and elitist some of the members of the forum are. Somebody makes a simple suggestion about implementing an air-defence unit into a game. It would look good and add an extra element of danger to the aircraft. Now you have to be thicker than a bank vault door if you honestly think they would apply the real-life specifications of existing army units to the game. They would scale it down suitably so that the anti-aircraft device would only hit the planes/choppers within a reasonable distance. It's a good idea about adding that unit in and some of the armed forces members around here do not seem to have much faith in the developers' capability of changing some of the specifications so that they add to the game, not detract from it. Good idea Captain, I don't know why they didn't implement the unit in the first place.

Thirdly, FCATrooper, do you think that because you are in the army and somebody else isn't, that you can simply talk down on everybody like you invented the army? At which point in his post did he say that the Rapier was the best piece of equipment? He asked, "What do you think?†he did not state, "This is the best." If you so feel insecure, inadequate and unrecognised about your military lifestyle and feel you need to shout others down to bring yourself up, then please leave the army and join a University to study "How to make myself less small minded."

Also, being a Nationalist doesn’t exactly convince anybody of just how correct your opinion can be.

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...bravo TE Hellfire, it's nice to have somebody who thinks before he types on this forum.

Anyway...although I do think the Rapier is a good suggestion, it wouldn't fit into the game. BIS and the people who play and love OFP pride the fact that the game is the most realistic military simulation that the public can get their hands on, it would be wrong to change the Rapier's specifications such that it is usable in the game, becasue it in reality one unit could cover all three islands at once and that would be one #### of alot of scaling down!

Actually thinking about it, the US version isn't as good as the British version (sorry FCATrooper, but here is one example where ours is definately better). The Brits use a self propelled 'tracked' version which has a range exceeding 10km due to incredible on board radar and computers. But the US use the towed varient which has a maximum range of just 6858m. This would cover one island area, but since the islands are not flat and have objects on them, flying low in the game could maybe be a way of preventing radar detection and flying behind cover could lose a lock held by a rocket. Just a thought.

A Russian SAM system could be a SA-13 Gopher (ZRK-BD Strela 10) which has a range of 9.7 km, but with the same considerations as above could be got around by the pilot. Or maybe the SA-9 Gaskin (ZRK-BD Strela 1) which has a range of 6.5km and is actually based on the in-game BRDM-2 chassis (although this was replaced by the Gopher).

Missile strength wise the both Russian launchers here use larger warheads than the Rapier (could make up for the US owning more air units in game if Russian rockets bring down with fewer hits...?). The Gopher uses a 4kg HE warhead, the Gaskin a 2.6kg HE warhead but the Rapier only uses a 1.4kg warhead. This is less than the Stinger which uses a 3kg warhead by the way for matter of comparison.

The way I see it now is put a towed Rapier into the game for the US and a Gaskin or Gopher for the Russians.

So long as the mission designers don't put these systems in silly places like ontop of 'the hill' in Kolgujev or along the entire coastline then I no longer see them as being a huge problem. This is the mission designers responsibility to decide if whether they want anything flying in the game or not.

This is a Gopher:

And here (as the picture states) is a Gaskin:

Incase you've just trawled through the entire thread and you can't remember what a Rapier looks like then here you go:

And here is the far superior (because it is British) tracked Rapier:

There is a hummer mounted SAM to called the Avenger...but I know little about it. I think it has a range of well over 6km, so a little too big:

Just an idea.

The Jub-Jub Bird

(Edited by The Jub Jub Bird at 9:01 pm on Dec. 31, 2001)

(Edited by The Jub Jub Bird at 9:06 pm on Dec. 31, 2001)

[The Jub-Jub Bird 1]

just a *BUMP* since I've made relavent changes to the post above...

[Captain Kickass 0]

And anyway I will soon know what I am talking about because I have joined the Army. So there! And TE Hellfire. Thanks for the support! :smile:

[KingBeast 0]

You are al lcorect, the SA80 is indeed not good. Despite its incredible accuracy (due to the bullpup design, weight and barrel length, it is rather unreliable. However according to the MOD and some independent sources, the L85A" is incredibly accurate and indeed incredibly reliable

[Denwad 0]

I'm no big military guy but I'm guessing it's the magazine?

[FCATrooper 0]

well then kickass,i guess you wont be posting for a long time. <sniff>....we'll miss you

[The Jub-Jub Bird 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from KingBeast on 3:07 am on Jan. 1, 2002

You are al lcorect, the SA80 is indeed not good. Despite its incredible accuracy (due to the bullpup design, weight and barrel length, it is rather unreliable. However according to the MOD and some independent sources, the L85A" is incredibly accurate and indeed incredibly reliable

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That's the L85A2...all the other versions are a bit dodgy. This version has been totally remodelled by HK and is far far better.

[Captain Kickass 0]

Don't worry yourself FCA! I've gone and got myself a trusty laptop! But the battery don't last forever so only for limited times!

[ACEJim 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">feckin arrogant brits....

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At least we've got something to be arrogant about...

[daniel barnett 0]

nice one FCAtrooper i'm irish and i have to say that the odds of the other brits having a dildo up their ass is very high!!!

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from TE Hellfire on 5:02 pm on Dec. 30, 2001

"http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/aad/aad_rfsc.htm

   What do you think?" - Captain Kickass

"None of the brits in question actually know anything about the military, and have never handled weapons before.

Therefore, they do not know what they are talking about." - FCATrooper

Firstly, forgive me if I am wrong, but this is a computer game, thus it is not real.

Secondly, unfortunately, it is sickeningly clear just how childish and elitist some of the members of the forum are. Somebody makes a simple suggestion about implementing an air-defence unit into a game. It would look good and add an extra element of danger to the aircraft. Now you have to be thicker than a bank vault door if you honestly think they would apply the real-life specifications of existing army units to the game. They would scale it down suitably so that the anti-aircraft device would only hit the planes/choppers within a reasonable distance. It's a good idea about adding that unit in and some of the armed forces members around here do not seem to have much faith in the developers' capability of changing some of the specifications so that they add to the game, not detract from it. Good idea Captain, I don't know why they didn't implement the unit in the first place.

Thirdly, FCATrooper, do you think that because you are in the army and somebody else isn't, that you can simply talk down on everybody like you invented the army? At which point in his post did he say that the Rapier was the best piece of equipment? He asked, "What do you think?†he did not state, "This is the best." If you so feel insecure, inadequate and unrecognised about your military lifestyle and feel you need to shout others down to bring yourself up, then please leave the army and join a University to study "How to make myself less small minded."

Also, being a Nationalist doesn’t exactly convince anybody of just how correct your opinion can be.

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hey, maybe a little late but that was very well said, truly kicked ass :biggrin:

[ACEJim 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from daniel barnett on 4:33 pm on Jan. 3, 2002

nice one FCAtrooper i'm irish and i have to say that the odds of the other brits having a dildo up their ass is very high!!!

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Irish people seem so bitter... maybe being next to the richest country in Europe is making them a bit envious...

[CoolCarlos2002 2]

[On-Topic]Indeed!

[Off-Topic]What are you guys talking about?

[Placebo 29]

Quit the moronic school-yard bickering people. If you can't have a discussion without insulting each other's countries then don't post here.