Any other musicians in the community?

[nettrucker 142]

DJ is not musician

like model importer is not modeler

like painting photographer is not painter

electronic music kills skills, kills ambitions

to play metal, you need 5 skilled men to cooperate like fingers of one hand

to make electronic music - no skills, one man, 3 keys in keyboard and easy software

Hello vilas

I definitely agree to most of the points. Yeah a DJ is not a musician unless he is playing an instrument and you as a former fellow drummer know exactly how much skill it takes actually to really play an instrument. You can already hear it in a song if it has been written by a musician or a DJ. In any case DJ's have gained a space in the music business back in the 70's evolving since then. But the real music will always be written by musicians and not DJ's using software.

All my best

Hey my personal thanks to all your great addons.

kind regards

nettrucker

Edit: Hi dmakatra. I'm not saying there is no good music composed by DJ's out there but the average DJ has no musical background in terms of playing a real instrument. In any case music is an individual taste thing. I love all music as long as it's well made. It doesn't matter what genre, moreover I am even more fascinated to strange music.

Edited January 11, 2010 by nettrucker
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[Stryker_1 10]

Interesting thread, I have a friend who is much older than me and he has an old original Tele that he could sell for a mint. Anyway, he is really good player and he has complained to me about alot of problems that are associated with a musical career. Ego is another problem. I love music and the Electric Guitar is such an amazing instrument. I do play for myself and my goals are purely enthusiast. The creative process is awesome and it is a therapy for me. I can spend hours on a fret board and don't care how much time goes by. That in itself is the reward for me. Good luck to all in there musical goals! Oh, btw nettrucker, I agree with you, music is not an age.

[nettrucker 142]

Interesting thread, I have a friend who is much older than me and he has an old original Tele that he could sell for a mint. Anyway, he is really good player and he has complained to me about alot of problems that are associated with a musical career. Ego is another problem. I love music and the Electric Guitar is such an amazing instrument. I do play for myself and my goals are purely enthusiast. The creative process is awesome and it is a therapy for me. I can spend hours on a fret board and don't care how much time goes by. That in itself is the reward for me. Good luck to all in there musical goals! Oh, btw nettrucker, I agree with you, music is not an age.

Hello Stryker

I understand exactly what you mean and it's always difficult when dealing with well developed ego band members.

luckily I found my buddies. There is no such an ego thing and therefore it is really cool to write and play songs together. What is important to us is the song itself not the single skill of the musicians which are playing. We never have any kind of stress, working relaxed but concentrated and it works perfectly. I might be a lucky one.:D

For me playing drums on my own is also kind of a therapy it helps staying creative because I'm playing things I normally wouldn't play with my band. Second I get rid of all my tensions caused by my little anger problem. It helps me to get rid of all negative vibrations I absorb during a day. I know the reward you get from playing for yourself. Never stop playing as long as you have fun.

Wish you all the best

nettrucker:D

[vilas 477]

(Post directed to vilas)

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will your DJ will play like this (BY HIS HANDS and throat):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6h84W8qz0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfgN-pXyc78&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBpP2K0PZDY

http://wolfspider.wrzuta.pl/audio/4rfXbfY5BDq/geisha_goner_cemetary_fulfilment

http://wolfspider.wrzuta.pl/audio/9BKOcc75Lra/geisha_goner_no_arrowhead_bridge

http://wolfspider.wrzuta.pl/audio/9zIrNMRRCFG/geisha_goner_hells_of_sorrow

can DJ do that ?

[nettrucker 142]

Hi vilas

Yeah Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater definitely knows his stuff.

cheers

[dmakatra 1]

So you're equalling speed with musicianship? In, that case, Immortal, may very well be the Magnus Opus of the Western Civilisation.

Musicianship has nothing to do with technical proficiency.

[vilas 477]

Musicianship has nothing to do with technical proficiency.

what?????????????

it is rethorical question for me like "is good addon must be realistic"

good technical proficient musician makes good music cause he has abilities and can make many things using his skills

and Immortal is good - Sons of nothern darknes,

Behemoth - show me any DJ that would be able to play like this Polish band:]

of course speed profesionalist is super musician

to synchronize those guys... mastership, not "2 keys there, 2 keys there , software hero"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMEUBrMCCek&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51S8BxvSeA&feature=related

i wonder what f*** DJ would play even ONE minute like this

give 5 DJ, give them 2 guitars, bass, drum - let they play it without single mistake :)

and yes, Immortal is great:

this is mastership i listen to it 1000 times and i cannot praise enough their technical mastership of proficiency in using instruments

one creation deserve respect, other not

good idea for song + technical skills make musicians great

SAMAEL - they are also great musicians although use electronic in music

DJ is using samples - it is not music, it is only mixing somebody's sounds

Edited January 11, 2010 by vilas

[dmakatra 1]

And here I thought musicianship was about melody, harmony, rhythm, feeling and soul. Apparently, it's all about successive hammer-ons! Go figure.

Each to their own taste, but to claim that black metal is more music than anything else just because it's technically hard to pull off is just ridiculous!

[kernriver 4]

And here I thought musicianship was about melody, harmony, rhythm, feeling and soul. Apparently, it's all about successive hammer-ons! Go figure.

Each to their own taste, but to claim that black metal is more music than anything else just because it's technically hard to pull off is just ridiculous!

Of course it is. But good technique is also very important, no matter what kind of music you play.

Hammer-ons, pull-offs, crosspicking...it's just a base on which you make music. :)

Sorry to drop in like this, I just like to say that any good music is - good music. Well, personal preferences aside.

I play acoustic guitar for over 20 years now (yes, I'm old :p), and a touch of mandolin.

I'm a member of a band that plays country music (mainly honky-tonk), we used to play bluegrass too.

Band layout (BTW we're called Country boys):

Acoustic guitar

Electric guitar

Pedal steel guitar

Bass guitar

Drums

We're not professionals, we all work, but we have fun playing in beer joints in our spare time (as a matter of fact, we have a gig this friday).

Keep it country! :D

[vilas 477]

not only black, even look at Europe - The Final Countdawn and solo there

or Judas Priest and Painkiller , SADUS - real technical stuff

even Whitney Houston is person who made good music

but DJ's ?

i remember long time ago i had software as Cubase or whatever it was called

making techno was pushing few buttons and few steps using mouse

if it is so easily made (from technical point of view), it cannot be valuable

and things like that Fruity Loops, Dance eJay 7, or maybe it was CakeWalk

i cannot remember what i used 10 years ago to make some fun, but definitely it was not a big deal, it was 5 minutes 'heheh it is so easy" work

and i know that such DJ could not do, what even poor rock/classic/country/regge musicians do

Edited January 12, 2010 by vilas

[Alex72 1]

and i know that such DJ could not do, what even poor rock/classic/country/regge musicians do

And the rocker usually cannot create an electronic track either that the hardcore dance music crowd would dig. Its an old myth that "thump thump thump thump" music is easy to create. Its easy to lay down a 4/4 beat, but its not easy to make it well enough without being skilled in the area.

Learning a guitar/drums/violin etc has always been known as being the "hard & real" instruments to learn, but one forgets that the people making music on computers usually learn so much more than just playing it. They learn how the sequencer works, filters, mastering tools etc wich is a jungle of technics to master, and it takes a long time plus skill and heart within the genre to become good at it and release good tracks.

Personally i like all music that is good heh. I like tracks from all sorts of genres as long as they appeal to me. Most of them have gems and i guess its how most people are when they grow up? When i was young i ONLY digged heavy metal, and then hip hop and then... In the end my main thing was electronic music but i also listen to metal, classical, d'n'b etc. They all have gems! :) Cant stand r'n'b and most hip hop however...

I made electronic music during the 90's and was very involved with all around at the time. Sometimes i still fire up Cubase and some soft synths to keep up with the new ever improving tech (not so much tho nowadays). I kind of like to have crap loads of buttons, gadgets and knobs to twist and turn hehe. I always liked techincal things with a lot of things to touch, twist and poke at. :) In the end though people making music seriously are musicians no matter what genre, and its a fun and creative thing to do if you got the time for it!

PS. i DID get the drumset from my mom when i was around 15 years old. However it was removed a week later cause the whole house complained of my banging lol. :D

Edited January 12, 2010 by Alex72

[SwiftyBoy 0]

@Kernriver:

Bluegrass/country fan here, acoustic geetar player for many years. Bluegrass has a following in Central Europe doesn't it? I seem to remember there were some Czech bluegrass boys kicking around a while back?

PS big fan of the Hag too...

PPS bluegrass and ArmA - my new favourite thread...

[Herbal Influence 10]

To me Tophe is the greatest BIS games musician.

See my signature and enjoy his great song about Arma2!: "Thank you, Bohemia!"

[h - 169]

So you're equalling speed with musicianship? In, that case, Immortal, may very well be the Magnus Opus of the Western Civilisation

That's nothing really, in terms of speed or technicality. It probably was 15 years ago when that album was released. Great band though, and still active..

If you want to know what's fast and even more so technical, check out bands like Nile (

,

,exp3), Hate Eternal (

,

), Dying Fetus (

), Necrophagist (

,exp2)..

[nettrucker 142]

To me Tophe is the greatest BIS games musician.

See my signature and enjoy his great song about Arma2!: "Thank you, Bohemia!"

Yeah I loved the lyrics on Tophe's song. LOL

[Kremec 10]

@SwiftyBoy

Yeah, Czech boys kick ass. Also Italians, Germans, etc. Swiss also, well, Jens Kruger is one of the best 5-string banjo players in the world.

I play guitar, 5-string banjo and pedal steel guitar. Country/bluegrass.

Since Kernriver is my brother we play together in a band, not professionaly but

good fun.:D

Me, Dale Watson and Kernriver in Zagreb. (99,5 Kb) Dale is one of my favourite musicians.

Free file hosting from File Den!

Swifty, who do you like in bluegrass? My favourite is, of course, Earl Scruggs.

[nettrucker 142]

That's nothing really, in terms of speed or technicality. It probably was 15 years ago when that album was released. Great band though, and still active..

If you want to know what's fast and even more so technical, check out bands like Nile (

,

,exp3), Hate Eternal (

,

), Dying Fetus (

), Necrophagist (

,exp2)..

IMHO having technical skills on an instrument is definitely an advantage but it's not all. Music don't have to be technical for being good, if it touches you by the very heart than I don't care if it's technical or not. I listened for years only fusion or progressive rock. I started playing Rock music, from there I went to play Blues. The blues got me nearer to black music, after I was done with the blues I listened a lot to soul and funky music from their I went to Jazz and after that fusion, but in the end I turned back to rock music. I like to play nearly all styles. but when working together with my buddies than we like to use the kiss principle "keep it simple and stupid"

I played once in band where we played a lot of Hip Hop Trip Hop, RAP. It was a nice experience because I never played one single fill or drum roll. It was all based on groove. I liked it because my drumkit was very small. Only kick- snare drum Hihat and a couple of cymbals, that was all. One of my favourite artist is definitely Frank Zappa and Joe's garage is my favourite album but there are all very unique. Zappa played always with extraordinary musicians. Hell, even Steve Vai felt his vibe. Vai one day decided to send Frank a transcription of one of Franks song. Zappa admitted that even he wasn't capable of transcribing the whole song. The next following weeks Steve Vai started to play with Zappa and you can here that very well on his first own release "Flexable". In any case I can only repeat myself music is a personal taste thing. Period

@Kremec

unfortunately I never really got into country or bluegrass. I love the country songs of Dixie Dregs a lot though and yeah, it definitely needs skill to play good country or blugrass.

Thanks to all of you for your replies.

Stay tuned

:D

Edited January 12, 2010 by nettrucker

[h - 169]

IMHO having technical skills on an instrument is definitely an advantage but it's not all.

Oh, I totally agree, I was just pointing out to dmakatra when speed etc in metal music is concerned the particular band mentioned is not in the top of that list..

I couldn't even dream of playing that technical stuff like the bands I linked, and I don't even need to since I make completely different kind of metal. I'm not even close to being technically skilled myself.

Thanks to digital recording it's now much less time consuming to record my retard-fingers than it used to be in the past :p

In any case I can only repeat myself music is a personal taste thing.

Exactly.

Edited January 12, 2010 by h -

[nettrucker 142]

Hi h-

I know the drummers of Nile and Hate Eternal. There is some extreme drumming of both drummers. Their double bass drum skills are outstanding. But I prefer a Jeff Porcaro (Toto) a thousand times. Porcaro has always been one of my favourite drummers. He was the human groove machine.

Do you have a band, website, myspace or something like that? I would love to hear something.

regards

Edited January 12, 2010 by nettrucker

[h - 169]

Do you have a band, website, myspace or something like that?

I do have a band but it has no website or anything.

We do have a album full of songs recorded waiting for mastering so hopefully something might be out there during this year..

I prefer a Jeff Porcaro

Well, for obvious reasons I prefer those metal guys, but I have always liked Primus and the drummers in that band have been very good, can't remember the names though.

And Claypool obviously is a genius :p

[nettrucker 142]

Oh great

let me know when you're ready.

my favourite Primus album is "Sailing in a sea of cheese".

I'm not capapble of playing a convincing blast beat as Derek Roddy or the Nile drummer does. Never really studied blastbeats but I've seen quite some videos on you tube. Especially Derek Roddy and watched some drum clinic videos of the nile drummer George Kollias especially his swifel technique on the pedals is something outstanding.

anyway wish you good luck

[vilas 477]

of course "speed" is not value itself

but proves skills DJs and "electronic music wannabe"

slow music can be also super - LOAD of Metallica, Pink Floyd, Phil Collins and etc.

but i think that metal musicians are more creative and more experimenting

anyone who knows Samael - knows how it is interesting to mix electronic/church sound with guitar

other who for example know Armia - knows mixing trumpet and monumental sound

third minute

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auo1It_q9B4&feature=related

or this:

Lao Che:

or Kobong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIlJwdlhFNg

or even simple punk/ska on which i have grown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y7CQfAH93E

creativity and experimenting is value in itself :)

special place:

KULT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHdvRnXTsU

most orginal band using harmony and hammond sound :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVNwvgsfB8g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XswLOHbEKx0&feature=related

or metal + piano

none of DJ would never had 1% of creativity of those guys

Edited January 12, 2010 by vilas

[Binkowski 26]

Oh snap, we have a thread like this? Sweet.

I'm a percussionist. Do mainly everything. I marched with the Santa Clara Vanguard Drum & Bugle Corps in 2009. Awesome times. Here's a few videos of us, in '09 I played Tenors (Five drums, rather large.)

I'm to the left of the tall African American guy starting at 1:03.

[nettrucker 142]

Really cool vid Binkowski.

enjoyed the drumming a lot.

cheers:D

[Binkowski 26]

Thanks, I'm trying to find one of us in full uniform (Jacket, Aussey, and Star) but it's hard.

- Our drum break. Awesome splits ;). Same spot, left of the African American guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gcox39PeX4 - The full show, I'm the shortest tenor player. End is the best :). That was very very early in the season.

- Finals night, Lucas Oil. Most amazing ten minutes of my life. Over 30,000 people watching you. It's unexplainable.

- Finals nigh, pre-show. Just the horns, still epic. Edited January 13, 2010 by Binkowski