Player models and damage

[Bubba 0]

I'm wondering whether your player model has any effect on how much damage you recieve when hit. I would think that a soldier, with armor I think, would take more hits from a gun than a civillian and that an officer, with just a cap, would die with just one shot to the head while a soldier may survive because of his helmet.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

True, but the damage system in OFP isn't that detailed. It basically gives a point system, a bullet strike reduces the number of points, depending on where the bullet hits you. So a soldier with body armour will have more points. However, there isn't any body armour I know of in OFP.

Steel helmets never stopped bullets anyway, kevlar ain't that much better. Helmets are mainly for stopping shrapnel of all sorts. After all, roughly 80% (a Canadian study showed) of casualties on a modern battle field are caused by shrapnel from artillery or grenades.

Tyler

[JRyan 0]

Bubba... did you see recently Saving Private Ryan or did you already see a soldier been hit by a bullet in the head on a real battlefield?

According to me, I don't think the helmet could change something in 1985 nor today if the soldier get hit directly in front of his head...

[Major Fubar 0]

AFAIK civilians do die much more easily than soldiers when shot in OFP (generally 1 shot).

[Aculaud 0]

interesting subject. Its weird how as soon as we invent a higher level of body armour, the next thing we think of is a way to defeat that armour.

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Steel helmets never stopped bullets anyway, kevlar ain't that much better.<span id='postcolor'>

This is true. I've seen a 5.56 NATO go right through a kevlar helmet. As for body armor, it isn't good for much more than stopping flak and lower caliber pistol rounds. A 5.56 NATO will pierce a U.S. issued flak jacket, as well as law enforcement level IIIA body armor. Just as a frame of reference, the 5.56 X 45 NATO (.223 Remington) is one of the smallest (usually about 55 gr.) high powered rifle rounds. Lots of muzzle velocity (3300 fps), but less energy on target than a 7.62 NATO.

[LauryThorn 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is true.<span id='postcolor'>

No it's not. Because in MOHAA, there is no blood because of the thick coats the Germans

are wearing. If a coat can stop a bullet, how come a dedicated body armour couldn't do it?

[morbid 0]

I thought the coat just stopped the blood from spurting out and that the bullet either went straight through or simply didn't exit the soldiers body.

[USSoldier11B 0]

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This is true.

No it's not. Because in MOHAA, there is no blood because of the thick coats the Germans

are wearing. If a coat can stop a bullet, how come a dedicated body armour couldn't do it?

<span id='postcolor'>

I'm talking about real life. What the fuck are you talking about?

[scout 0]

a III grade body armour can stop AK bullets up to 800 m/s

grade IV can stop long 7.62 mm bullets.

and i know of many cases where helmets saved ppl's lives.

it depends of the angle of the bullet and its energy.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ April 05 2002,12:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote  

This is true.

No it's not. Because in MOHAA, there is no blood because of the thick coats the Germans

are wearing. If a coat can stop a bullet, how come a dedicated body armour couldn't do it?

<span id='postcolor'>

I'm talking about real life. What the fuck are you talking about?<span id='postcolor'>

rofl..

He is joking mate.. relax

[Cloney 0]

LMAO! I remember reading that shit about MOH! That game was fun for about 10 minutes. Thick coats my ass!

Mr. Kraut Says..."Nein! Der bazooka round does not penetrate mein thick coat! No blood, ja!"

[Satchel 0]

Lol ,

generally i find the hitzones for personal in OFP adequade and sufficent, although the instant death caused by a single hit with G36 ammuntion on almost all bodyparts makes me wonder sometimes.

Vehicles could use quite some more hitzones with respective armor strength.

P.S.: the Kevlar helmet stops low powered pistol rounds and shrapnel, that´s true. But the wearer would suffer a blunt trauma if a low powered pistol round hits and is defeated, in the worst case a broken neck depending on impact angle, size of the bullet/projectile and energy.

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">P.S.: the Kevlar helmet stops low powered pistol rounds and shrapnel, that´s true. But the wearer would suffer a blunt trauma if a low powered pistol round hits and is defeated, in the worst case a broken neck depending on impact angle, size of the bullet/projectile and energy.<span id='postcolor'>

This I know, I was mainly talking about body armor. They only time we wear kevlar in my unit is for airborne ops, and MOUT.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">a III grade body armour can stop AK bullets up to 800 m/s

grade IV can stop long 7.62 mm bullets.

and i know of many cases where helmets saved ppl's lives.

it depends of the angle of the bullet and its energy.<span id='postcolor'>

Maybe so, but I wouldn't bet on it. I'm anti-kevlar from "growing up" in the spec ops community. We move very long distances on foot and are in the field longer than conventional units. Often without frequent resupply and support. Body armor sucks, considering how much shit you are already carrying, it's not worth the extra weight. MOUT (Military Operations in Urbanized Terrain) is different because you go in light fighter (no rucksack) and you are likely to engage at CQB distances and are working with frags at close distances. A good set of goggles is priceless in this situation as well.

Sorry if I snapped at anyone, I work long hours and get cranky.

[scout 0]

the III and IV level are ceramic not kevlar, and they work,

a soldier of mine got an AK brust in the chest.

he was knock down, and after coupla seconds just rose and continued fighting.

and yes, we use it only in urban areas cause then u dont need more then mags'n'frags

[Satchel 0]

Maybe offtopic,

but what´s the usual combat loadout for Special Forces MOUT in the U.S. Army, are there grave differences between regular troops loadouts and Spec Ops?

I know for german "Jäger" units, somewhat equal to Rangers. They take in alot of gear for urban training, including (improvised) ladders, rope, charges, wirecutters, and dogs in some units in addition to the usual combat loadout.

Whats a typical U.S. Spec Ops soldier carrying as combat loadout, how much mags etc?

Could be very useful to design appropiate missions, and eventually for modelling if someone intends to redo soldier models authentically.

[scout 0]

depends what the mission is.

i dunno about US SF, but usually there is a difference if u want to take the area or a specific target.

if u take specific target it depends on the charecterstics of the target.

u usualy try and take the minimum for a mission cause a heavy soldier is a clumsy one

[110 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ April 05 2002,07:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Steel helmets never stopped bullets anyway, kevlar ain't that much better.<span id='postcolor'>

This is true. I've seen a 5.56 NATO go right through a kevlar helmet. As for body armor, it isn't good for much more than stopping flak and lower caliber pistol rounds. A 5.56 NATO will pierce a U.S. issued flak jacket, as well as law enforcement level IIIA body armor. Just as a frame of reference, the 5.56 X 45 NATO (.223 Remington) is one of the smallest (usually about 55 gr.) high powered rifle rounds. Lots of muzzle velocity (3300 fps), but less energy on target than a 7.62 NATO.<span id='postcolor'>

True, True. Level 6 body armor can stop 30-06 rounds, including steel core 5.56mm, but then you'd have to walk around like the stay-puff-marshmellow-man. Not practical when you have to hump gear.

For lighter levels of body armor there are plates that can be added to a carrier that can stop rifle rounds, but they only cover the direct front and direct back.

110

[Aculaud 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ April 05 2002,11:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">there is no blood because of the thick coats the Germans

are wearing.<span id='postcolor'>

Nah, thats just cause Nazi's didnt bleed